11 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

What vision is that exactly? And what is Potter doing that aligns with our 'vision', finishing mid table? We have a team to handle transfers now, why didn't we do that in the summer? 

It seems like the rift mainly came from Tuchel not wanting to sign Ronaldo more than anything.

And instead sign Aubamayang? 

Potter is an issue, but that doesn't mean Tuchel is the solution. 

37 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

It's more like he told at the owners they know nothing about football and he didn't want ronaldo. They spent a sh*t tonne on dregs after sacking Buck, Marina and Cech so this was before we even had a recruitment team in place. It's not fair the way Tuchel was treated, in the same way its not fair the way Potter gets so much backing.

The club has lost its identity and should have been transitioned instead by keeping the old guard at least for the summer window. I doubt Marina would've given KK 300k pw, it's like Todd just made offers and everyone bit his hand off. We will be paying for these decisions for the next 8 years or however long that donkey Maduekes contract is. 

The old guard did some great things, but let's not pretend they wouldn't have also signed KK and given them similar wages. 

Love that you're slagging off a 21 year old new signing as well. Proper Chelsea you are. 

Why don't you go and support Liverpool. You'll be at home there with everyone moaning their club hasn't been bought by the Qataris. 

Edited February 21, 20233 yr by bisright1

Why would we want Spuds reject Poch ,all of a sudden he's the business's don't remember him winning anything with Spuds

and he won the league  in a one horse race and didn't win the Champs league . More panic appointments with disasterous

consequences to come , better  stay with Potter until the seasons end and then find the right body .

 

5 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

And instead sign Aubamayang? 

Potter is an issue, but that doesn't mean Tuchel is the solution. 

We don't know how Aubameyang would've done under  Tuchel, his record at Barcelona was decent. Same with Sterling, 5 G/A in 7 games under Tuchel then Potter turns him into a LWB and his form falls off a cliff.

 

It's bizarre that we spent money on signings seemingly for Tuchel's squad then sack him as soon as the transfer window is over. As for potential solutions, the best option out there is probably Poch, who isn't bad, but I'd take Tuchel any day over him.

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

We don't know how Aubameyang would've done under  Tuchel, his record at Barcelona was decent. Same with Sterling, 5 G/A in 7 games under Tuchel then Potter turns him into a LWB and his form falls off a cliff.

 

It's bizarre that we spent money on signings seemingly for Tuchel's squad then sack him as soon as the transfer window is over. As for potential solutions, the best option out there is probably Poch, who isn't bad, but I'd take Tuchel any day over him.

I'd take tuchel over Poch too. But I also accept that Potter and the board just don't like each other and that's only going to end in disaster. 

I think the criticism about Tuchels signings in the summer is unfair as he barely got any time to work with them.

Cucurella looked great in his first few games, Sterling was regularly scoring under Tuchel and Auba scored in his first couple of games.

we sacked Tuchel, hired statistically one of the worst coaches in the league who has established himself as our worst ever manager and are now blaming Tuchel because his signings don't look good under said garbage manager when absolutely no one in the squad looks good other than Silva who's wife wants the manager sacked and says her husband would do better as player manager

Edited February 21, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

1 hour ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I think the criticism about Tuchels signings in the summer is unfair as he barely got any time to work with them.

Cucurella looked great in his first few games, Sterling was regularly scoring under Tuchel and Auba scored in his first couple of games.

we sacked Tuchel, hired statistically one of the worst coaches in the league who has established himself as our worst ever manager and are now blaming Tuchel because his signings don't look good under said garbage manager when absolutely no one in the squad looks good other than Silva who's wife wants the manager sacked and says her husband would do better as player manager

Love it Hazardous....sorry i mean @TimesUpPotter. Quality 

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Love it Hazardous....sorry i mean @TimesUpPotter. Quality 

What?

I thought Sterling in particular was doing really well under Tuchel he was probably our best attacker early in the season.

Then Potter played him at left wing back while playing Cucurella at centre back and both have struggled since. 

I'm not going to judge any of the signing until we have a competent manager.  When everyone is playing poorly it isn't a player issue.

4 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

What?

I thought Sterling in particular was doing really well under Tuchel he was probably our best attacker early in the season.

Then Potter played him at left wing back while playing Cucurella at centre back and both have struggled since. 

I'm not going to judge any of the signing until we have a competent manager.  When everyone is playing poorly it isn't a player issue.

My concern is that some actually won't get the chance to reach their potential because of this haphazard approach to team and game management. I can easily see Mudryk getting fcked up here in the system Potter plays, whatever that might be. He already seems to have marginalised Sterling as you mention.

1 hour ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I think the criticism about Tuchels signings in the summer is unfair as he barely got any time to work with them.

Cucurella looked great in his first few games, Sterling was regularly scoring under Tuchel and Auba scored in his first couple of games.

we sacked Tuchel, hired statistically one of the worst coaches in the league who has established himself as our worst ever manager and are now blaming Tuchel because his signings don't look good under said garbage manager when absolutely no one in the squad looks good other than Silva who's wife wants the manager sacked and says her husband would do better as player manager

Bang-on!

I would say that Sterling looked like our best player when he came on the other day, though I think it was more down to him seeing we were f**ked as opposed to a tactical manager pep talk!

1 hour ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I think the criticism about Tuchels signings in the summer is unfair as he barely got any time to work with them.

Cucurella looked great in his first few games, Sterling was regularly scoring under Tuchel and Auba scored in his first couple of games.

we sacked Tuchel, hired statistically one of the worst coaches in the league who has established himself as our worst ever manager and are now blaming Tuchel because his signings don't look good under said garbage manager when absolutely no one in the squad looks good other than Silva who's wife wants the manager sacked and says her husband would do better as player manager

An interesting fact is Cucurella already had a year under Potter at Brighton, so it anyone should play well it's him, yet see how he turned out. Cucurella played at LCD, Sterling at LWB, you couldn't have killed 2 birds with 1 stone even if you tried. When nobody plays well, it's way beyond players incompetency.

You can not turn a top 4 team with 600M of signings into a team at 10th,  and claim it's some kind of process or progress. The optimistic view right now is somehow we will get on a long winning streak and everything will be cool, that's almost as good as Southmampton says we will win the next 10 games to get out of relegation battle. They can't be playing against Chelsea every week.

5 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Thank god. Not sure what the sudden obsession with Poch is on here.

He's one of the few available managers right now and he's a much better manager than Potter is.

I think we can do better than Poch, but I would swap him for Potter in a heartbeat. I think people are far too critical of his work at Tottenham, he made Tottenham a very good team and they beat us many times when beforehand we used to always have our way with Spurs and it's kind of gone back to that way without him. Poch's Tottenham beat us 5-3 under Mourinho in a shock defeat when we were demolishing everyone that season, they also stopped Conte's win streak, another season when we were elite and won the title. And he did better at Southampton than Potter did at Brighton. 

Obviously, the PSG stint wasn't good, but I think that job is harder than people give it credit for. Too many big ego's that can't get out of cruise control when they play in the Champions League. 

2 hours ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I think the criticism about Tuchels signings in the summer is unfair as he barely got any time to work with them.

Cucurella looked great in his first few games, Sterling was regularly scoring under Tuchel and Auba scored in his first couple of games.

we sacked Tuchel, hired statistically one of the worst coaches in the league who has established himself as our worst ever manager and are now blaming Tuchel because his signings don't look good under said garbage manager when absolutely no one in the squad looks good other than Silva who's wife wants the manager sacked and says her husband would do better as player manager

And don't forget Pulisic was on fire under Tuchel as well. 

19 minutes ago, just said:

And don't forget Pulisic was on fire under Tuchel as well. 

Yeah has been a bitter blow to Potter having CP injured all this time. No doubt our goal scoring issue would not be anywhere near as bad with Captain America available.

If anything, at least it saves me a few quid!

He’s not going anywhere unless the fans go absolutely toxic at the bridge, the owners have  bought into his ideas hook, line and sinker.

As fans we want to think we have some say but if the owners don’t care what you think nothing will happen.

They appear comfortable with how their investments is going at present.

1 hour ago, Victor90 said:

He's one of the few available managers right now and he's a much better manager than Potter is.

I think we can do better than Poch, but I would swap him for Potter in a heartbeat. I think people are far too critical of his work at Tottenham, he made Tottenham a very good team and they beat us many times when beforehand we used to always have our way with Spurs and it's kind of gone back to that way without him. Poch's Tottenham beat us 5-3 under Mourinho in a shock defeat when we were demolishing everyone that season, they also stopped Conte's win streak, another season when we were elite and won the title. And he did better at Southampton than Potter did at Brighton. 

Obviously, the PSG stint wasn't good, but I think that job is harder than people give it credit for. Too many big ego's that can't get out of cruise control when they play in the Champions League. 

I just don't understand why people want Poch to replace Potter. The main reason I've seen here as to why people want Potter out is that he isn't "elite", he doesn't have a record of winning trophies etc. All of those things apply to Poch so what's the point of hiring him? The moment the team's form dips people will use those same reasons to want him out and it will be a vicious cycle of rinse and repeat. 

30 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I just don't understand why people want Poch to replace Potter. The main reason I've seen here as to why people want Potter out is that he isn't "elite", he doesn't have a record of winning trophies etc. All of those things apply to Poch so what's the point of hiring him? The moment the team's form dips people will use those same reasons to want him out and it will be a vicious cycle of rinse and repeat. 

Poch isn't world class but he's a far better option than Potter 

Please hire back Tuchel for gods sakes. 

8 hours ago, Term_X said:

Outside of Enrique, De Zerbi would be an astute appointment, with Tottenham & Juventus and every other Italian club already circling him, appreciate it would make us a bit of a laughing stock for a while (Bright yet again memes) but he’s a genuine elite tactician; the idea of him being at a big club is mouth watering. 

Spurs were also looking at Potter before hand. That is no measure!

31 minutes ago, Mudders said:

Please hire back Tuchel for gods sakes. 

lol.... Did you watch us under TT? Did you see TT implode during the end?

There is zero chance, that having purchased the club for billions, and then spending hundreds of millions on players, that they then bring back the man who was sacked because of a different vision.

2 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Poch isn't world class but he's a far better option than Potter 

So - swap one manager who has never won anything worth winning, with another who has never won anything worth winning. An ex spud at that.

lol... the way some peoples mind works....

5 hours ago, just said:

And don't forget Pulisic was on fire under Tuchel as well. 

Mr Pulisic (the dad) was certainly on fire on twitter during the TT era.

7 hours ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I think the criticism about Tuchels signings in the summer is unfair as he barely got any time to work with them.

Cucurella looked great in his first few games, Sterling was regularly scoring under Tuchel and Auba scored in his first couple of games.

we sacked Tuchel, hired statistically one of the worst coaches in the league who has established himself as our worst ever manager and are now blaming Tuchel because his signings don't look good under said garbage manager when absolutely no one in the squad looks good other than Silva who's wife wants the manager sacked and says her husband would do better as player manager

I am of the opinion that even at Tuchels worst, it wasn't as bad as freefalling like we are now. Sure, he wasn't a world class manager but he was a solid in the tier just below that. Every team in the world, from PSG to Madrid, would clamour for Tuchel because, simply put, he is the best availible manager.

I don't get these comparisons besmirching the good name of our UCL winning manager. It's kind of like in Animal Farm (George Orwell), when the pigs all blame the problems on snowball and use fake stats to try convince the animals that life is better than before under snowball. Very apt that book symbolises the end of the soviet union while a certain Russian left us last year too. The pigs liked making speeches about their f**king vision too.

 

In his coaching career, Tuchel NEVER showed the form that Potter has shown these past few months. People blame him for sh*t buys but holy sh*t that was before I saw the donkeys that were signed in January.

Sterling and Fofana are going to be important to us because we don't have a better RW (even though nick hate sterling runs like a duck) and Silva can't play every game so fofana is our 3rd best CB if Badman keeps 2nd.

Cucu, KK and Auba were all sh*t buys. Not needed, too expensive and didn't work out. Cucu is the only one who can redeem himself but I don't see how he does that as a backup. KK is a good backup but they shouldn't be on 300k pw, at least he isnt for 8 years. Auba looks set to move on in summer. 

My initial thought on the January buys are a lot worse.

Enzo is 80m max in his prime (unless football prices inflate even more and we sell him to Madrid for 200m).

Felix - a shame that our most in form player is one on loan. I don't think we buy him, nkunku takes his place next year. Expensive loan as well but we needed him.

Mudryk has nothing going for him apart from his pace and those little tricks he does, both of which lead to nothing. Massively overpaid for him.

Badman was a steal, I really hope he keeps it up and doesn't regress, especially when Silva isn't there to keep him in line.

So the main problem is overpaying for Enzo, Mudryk, Felix (Cucu, KK, Fofana and Auba) but now we get onto the real donkeys

DDF and Madueke are not PL level footballers. Maybe they will go on loan and change all of that and prove us wrong like Salah and KDB. I doubt it though and feel they fail the eye test. So we are stuck with another 2 donkeyokos on perpetual loan for 8 years.

10 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Yeah many seem to thing Potter is a lame duck, a loser. He may well prove them right.

Poch already has shown he is by losing 2 one horse title races with Spurs and PSG.

One horse title race and Spurs? How so? When was Spurs considered a clear runaway favorite to win the PL?