Walk the f**k away we should not be paying anywhere near what they are asking for he messed up signing a extension that’s on him we should shift our resources to someone with a realistic price.

Brighton can get stuffed!!

I’m starting to think it might get done on Saturday at half time, that way he can play the 1st half for Brighton and the 2nd half for Chelsea.

Edited July 19, 20233 yr by 2211

Apparently Brighton bought this guy for £5m... circa 2021 and last season was the first he'd played... now worth £100m.

We should forget this guy.

What we should buy are the staff that find players like Caicedo sign them up for peanuts and then flog them to clubs like Chelsea for a fortune - they're the one's we need!

To re-cap:  He is a good player. We have agreed personal terms with him and his agent. The fee is the issue. Chelsea and me and most of the world feel that 75 million quid is more than reasonable. Brighton want 100 million quid. Sweet baby Jebus!

Issue is that the alternatives are significantly worse than Caicedo. 

Paulhinha is a similar price and Barella doesn't want to leave Italy. 

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Issue is that the alternatives are significantly worse than Caicedo. 

Paulhinha is a similar price and Barella doesn't want to leave Italy. 

Then wait until someone becomes available for a reasonable price. I don’t see any other team paying these stupid prices but us, Arsenal paid £100 million for Rice he’s not worth close to that but he’s played  in the PL over several seasons unlike Caicedo.

I really don’t get the fascination with him or Brighton the can get royally stuffed.

11 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Then wait until someone becomes available for a reasonable price. I don’t see any other team paying these stupid prices but us, Arsenal paid £100 million for Rice he’s not worth close to that but he’s played  in the PL over several seasons unlike Caicedo.

I really don’t get the fascination with him or Brighton the can get royally stuffed.

The problem is that we are in no position to wait. We don't have a midfield because we sold them / let them go on a free. We put ourselves in a desperate position. We cannot go into next season with Enzo, Casadei, Santos and Gallagher. It would be just like last season, we'll struggle to win a single game of football.

Edited July 19, 20233 yr by Scott Harris

10 minutes ago, El regreso said:

I really don’t get the fascination with him or Brighton the can get royally stuffed.

I mean at 21 he ranks among the very top in retention, tackling, build up, and xT metrics. 

Bar Paulhinha and Barella, the alternatives aren't a step down. They are a massive one. 

 

Like Enzo he’s not played a hell of a lot of football at the top level for long but you can see the quality a mile off. Think they will make a fantastic duo in that midfield so hopefully get it done soon.

17 hours ago, abister1 said:

Because it sets the tone, or more appropriately continues it. 

It means we will never be at the "good end" of any transfer activity because clubs, that is, all clubs will always look to mug us off. 

No it  doesn't, and it  doesn't affect the fans in anyway shape or form. If you aren't aware Chelsea made 827M in player sales over the last 20 plus years . Those handling the finances are responsible.  If you aren't willing to pay top money for top players then forget about it. From my own point of view the cost for players affects no one especially the fans.

32 minutes ago, KokeFran96 said:

No it  doesn't, and it  doesn't affect the fans in anyway shape or form. If you aren't aware Chelsea made 827M in player sales over the last 20 plus years . Those handling the finances are responsible.  If you aren't willing to pay top money for top players then forget about it. From my own point of view the cost for players affects no one especially the fans.

Our finances affect the club and absolutely affects the fans. 

The money we spend on  our club thru  tickets, merchandise, TV subs etc and how the club uses it  is of concern to every fan.

It's nailed on that our ticket prices will go up next season, in part to pay for our recent record spending and subsequent failure to qualify for Europe. Everything our club does, and  not just spending, matters to every fan

Come on you BLUES!!

 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I mean at 21 he ranks among the very top in retention, tackling, build up, and xT metrics. 

Bar Paulhinha and Barella, the alternatives aren't a step down. They are a massive one. 

 

I get all that however no way we should be held ransom for one player our rebuild shouldn’t be completed in one window, we tried that already and failed miserably. Will have a gap in midfield yes, am I okay with that no, should we spend another £100 million in total on one player to fix than absolutely not. 

Try and load a stop gap, we aren’t challenging for PL this season nor probably top 4 so why the rush.

Or better yet their must be a young Bison somewhere in France we can find. 

5 minutes ago, El regreso said:

I get all that however no way we should be held ransom for one player our rebuild shouldn’t be completed in one window, we tried that already and failed miserably. Will have a gap in midfield yes, am I okay with that no, should we spend another £100 million in total on one player to fix than absolutely not. 

Try and load a stop gap, we aren’t challenging for PL this season nor probably top 4 so why the rush.

Or better yet their must be a young Bison somewhere in France we can find. 

We literally did the exact same thing last summer. Ignored the midfield, buy a stop gap, then implode. 

A Top CM has always been the priority. Just forget about the price. 

3 hours ago, KokeFran96 said:

No it  doesn't, and it  doesn't affect the fans in anyway shape or form. If you aren't aware Chelsea made 827M in player sales over the last 20 plus years . Those handling the finances are responsible.  If you aren't willing to pay top money for top players then forget about it. From my own point of view the cost for players affects no one especially the fans.

Interesting take.  I think the last 20 years had different people running operations so don't judge the next 20 based on the last 20. 

It's less than 2 years they've been in place and whilst some areas they have been good at, the transfer market hasn't particularly been amongst the strongest points. 

The firesale we have just seen, whilst getting rid of deadwood has also seen us lose a few that could still play a part in stabilising and helping the new look Chelsea to get a firm footing at the top end of the league and on one hand was actually necessitated because it almost had to be done lest we fall foul of FFP rules.

The cost of players affects the whole club as @The Rising Sun has explained. Also there's the risk of an unintended consequence of creating a loop of "overpaying" for what you get as the expectations may not be matched by delivery leading to fans frustration and discontent, causing the club to react and in trying to fix things, make the same blunder.

It's one thing to pay £100m for an established player setting the world on fire, and I do know that today's market has seen £25m to £30m players getting valued at 2 or 3 times their worth but it is this very kind of purchases that will continue to see players priced ridiculously. 

I know the competition for talent is fierce and there's always a Sheik, Emirati or Prince somewhere ready to pay sums that are nowhere near prohibitive for the deep wells they call pockets and I guess that's where it becomes a moral dilemma of what type of club you want to be seen as.

It certainly is more complicated than we have the money, let's just pay it.

Not sure what the f**k we are waiting for here. 

....the obligatory 48 hours!

Even unreliable rumours are running out for this transfer. The danger is we keep trying with a small increment ( on top of the 70M), before we know it it will get to 100M and Brighton will keep reminding Boehly ' we are almost there, just a little bit more'.

He's played 45 EPL games compared to Rice's 204 EPL games.

So his simple market value is much closer to 45/204 x £116.6m = £25.72m - assuming he's actually as good as Rice is which I doubt.

Chelsea need to stop wasting big money on plonkers like this - proven player with a few season's under their belt fair enough - this guy is a long way from that.

Brighton see Chelsea coming a mile a way.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Bebe1980 said:

He's played 45 EPL games compared to Rice's 204 EPL games.

So his simple market value is much closer to 45/204 x £116.6m = £25.72m - assuming he's actually as good as Rice is which I doubt.

Chelsea need to stop wasting big money on plonkers like this - proven player with a few season's under their belt fair enough - this guy is a long way from that.

Brighton see Chelsea coming a mile a way.

 

 

I have a few doubts about Caicedo at this price but he's a lot more proven in a progressive front foot system than Rice is.

17 minutes ago, Bebe1980 said:

He's played 45 EPL games compared to Rice's 204 EPL games.

So his simple market value is much closer to 45/204 x £116.6m = £25.72m - assuming he's actually as good as Rice is which I doubt.

Chelsea need to stop wasting big money on plonkers like this - proven player with a few season's under their belt fair enough - this guy is a long way from that.

Brighton see Chelsea coming a mile a way.

 

 

That is probably the most stupid way of valuing a player I've ever seen.

5 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Not sure what the f**k we are waiting for here. 

It's simple. We are waiting for Brighton to honour their promise to him, they are waiting for us to cave. Game of chicken.

4 hours ago, ozboy said:

That is probably the most stupid way of valuing a player I've ever seen.

You right 😁 but it's not half as stupid as saying he's worth £100m!

 

Move on... looks like another Lukaku

3 minutes ago, Bebe1980 said:

You right 😁 but it's not half as stupid as saying he's worth £100m!

 

certainly a lot cheaper

Just go and spend 55m on Lavia and revisit with Brighton next summer if needs be. We've got Santos, Enzo and Hall.