15 hours ago, bisright1 said:

"There weren't any 50m+ players in the Roman era?"
Correct - Lukaku, Havertz, Kepa, Morata, Pulisic, Torres. I do not like a single one of these players.

"All bar 1 in this era have been a success?"
Not quite
Neto, Joao Pedro, Cucurealla, Caicedo, Enzo = success (Neto borderline, but he's been a better success for me than anyone on the Roman list)
Nkunku, Lavia, Fofana, = flops, but can imagine injuries had a part to play. I think Nkunku would have been a flop regardless though. And probably Fofana too as he's absolutely braindead.
Mudryk, = flop.

Pulisic was FAR better than Neto.

I like him on the ball, he plays it forward, not just sideways. Off the ball he needs a lot of work though. He is awful at set pieces and loses his man every time, and I feel he is weak in the tackle sometimes.

Set pieces are certainly his weakness

4 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Pulisic was FAR better than Neto.

Look I know it seems to be the fashion here lately for individual posters to create a narrative that some of our players are so dogsh*t they shouldn't even be in the football pyramic let alone play for us, but that's just clearly not true.

Neto and Pulisic were basically the same frustrating player with f**k all output and tonnes of ability.

I'd edge Neto over Pulisic because Pulisic was really really sh*te outside of the covid window. Neto has just been consistently average, but he plays.

12 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Look I know it seems to be the fashion here lately for individual posters to create a narrative that some of our players are so dogsh*t they shouldn't even be in the football pyramic let alone play for us, but that's just clearly not true.

Neto and Pulisic were basically the same frustrating player with f**k all output and tonnes of ability.

I'd edge Neto over Pulisic because Pulisic was really really sh*te outside of the covid window. Neto has just been consistently average, but he plays.

Pulisic genuinely secured us Top 4 the season before we won the Champions League to be fair. We would of won the FA Cup final too had he not tear his hamstring.

Pulisic's peak with us just dwarfs anything Neto has done in a Chelsea kit.

14 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Look I know it seems to be the fashion here lately for individual posters to create a narrative that some of our players are so dogsh*t they shouldn't even be in the football pyramic let alone play for us, but that's just clearly not true.

Neto and Pulisic were basically the same frustrating player with f**k all output and tonnes of ability.

I'd edge Neto over Pulisic because Pulisic was really really sh*te outside of the covid window. Neto has just been consistently average, but he plays.

Not just lately. Agendas are created for different reasons. As a wind up, sometimes genuine belief, sometimes almost sociopathic. Best ignored if they annoy.

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

Look I know it seems to be the fashion here lately for individual posters to create a narrative that some of our players are so dogsh*t they shouldn't even be in the football pyramic let alone play for us, but that's just clearly not true.

Neto and Pulisic were basically the same frustrating player with f**k all output and tonnes of ability.

I'd edge Neto over Pulisic because Pulisic was really really sh*te outside of the covid window. Neto has just been consistently average, but he plays.

Pulisic’s first season he got 9 league goals for us. Neto’s highest return in 7 PL seasons is 5 goals.

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Not just lately. Agendas are created for different reasons. As a wind up, sometimes genuine belief, sometimes almost sociopathic. Best ignored if they annoy.

I had my agenda before it was popular. I have an eye for footballing talent that most could only dream of. An oracle.

31 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Pulisic’s first season he got 9 league goals for us. Neto’s highest return in 7 PL seasons is 5 goals.

Its not a hill I am going to die on, i just prefer the Neto of today than the Pulisic of the last 2 seasons with us.

He’s always been in the ‘not for sale at any price’ tier for me. I know he’s not had a very good season but who has, apart from Joao Pedro?

I always saw the massive potential in him and I think we will start to reap the rewards next season under Alonso.

I also really hope Joao Pedro stays. If he can score as many as he did this season, imagine how good he could be under a functional team.

15 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

I had my agenda before it was popular. I have an eye for footballing talent that most could only dream of. An oracle.

The Shallow Hal approach to talent ID

Apparently he wants to leave to be able to start at man utd. This is a sale that we might regret if it happens

Disgusting BlueCo PR.

We really are destined to be weaker than last season.

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Disgusting BlueCo PR.

We really are destined to be weaker than last season.

Yep

Trying to position Caicedo as the reason he won't start is nonsense. He should be starting alongside Caicedo ... and ahead of Enzo of course.

Santos is one of the few players in the squad that has actually demonstrated leadership qualities in his football career to date as well (I can remember some clips from the Brazilian youth sides that made me sit up and think "yes this guy could be our captain one day ... ")

3 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Yep

Trying to position Caicedo as the reason he won't start is nonsense. He should be starting alongside Caicedo ... and ahead of Enzo of course.

Santos is one of the few players in the squad that has actually demonstrated leadership qualities in his football career to date as well (I can remember some clips from the Brazilian youth sides that made me sit up and think "yes this guy could be our captain one day ... ")

Spot on imo, personally will be really sad to see him go if it was to happen.

I really don’t like the idea of letting him go, and to Man Utd, and for just £50m.

He has 4 years left on his contract!

Do you think Man Utd would ever sell Kobi Manoo to us for £50m with 4 years left, no chance.

We would happily sell Santos for £50m but won’t sell Gusto for anything under £75m or Enzo for anything under £120m.

As good as having Xabi Alonso as our manager is the board will still make moves to stop us progressing as a football team.

All our rubbish players are still here yet we will sell promising players or academy players for pure profit.

I know it’s early days in the transfer window but I don’t see any moves yet that will take us from the middle of the table to a top 4 team.

This sale could really come back to haunt us.

Sell him but keep injury plagued midfielders Lavia and Essugo.

Someone make it make sense please, because I honestly don’t understand it.

Enzo is probably staying, we're going to be signing someone like Wharton or Scott. We need to fund that transfer because of the financial ineptitude of our owners. Makes sense to me if we can get 50m

I don't think we will regret it personally, I like the idea of Andrey santos more than what I've actually seen of him in a chelsea shirt

59 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Enzo is probably staying, we're going to be signing someone like Wharton or Scott. We need to fund that transfer because of the financial ineptitude of our owners. Makes sense to me if we can get 50m

I don't think we will regret it personally, I like the idea of Andrey santos more than what I've actually seen of him in a chelsea shirt

So Scott then. Great.

Didn’t Bournemouth quote £80m???

Edited July 5Jul 5 by Sconnie Blue

4 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Enzo is probably staying, we're going to be signing someone like Wharton or Scott. We need to fund that transfer because of the financial ineptitude of our owners. Makes sense to me if we can get 50m

I don't think we will regret it personally, I like the idea of Andrey santos more than what I've actually seen of him in a chelsea shirt

We'll do well to get more than 35m, but we'll still deal at that price because regardless of the BS they have to sell players.

11 hours ago, 2211 said:

I really don’t like the idea of letting him go, and to Man Utd, and for just £50m.

He has 4 years left on his contract!

Do you think Man Utd would ever sell Kobi Manoo to us for £50m with 4 years left, no chance.

We would happily sell Santos for £50m but won’t sell Gusto for anything under £75m or Enzo for anything under £120m.

As good as having Xabi Alonso as our manager is the board will still make moves to stop us progressing as a football team.

All our rubbish players are still here yet we will sell promising players or academy players for pure profit.

I know it’s early days in the transfer window but I don’t see any moves yet that will take us from the middle of the table to a top 4 team.

This sale could really come back to haunt us.

Sell him but keep injury plagued midfielders Lavia and Essugo.

Someone make it make sense please, because I honestly don’t understand it.

**All our rubbish players are still here yet we will sell promising players or academy players for pure profit.

Infuriates me , absolutely amazes me how one club can buy so much rubbish and yet none of the people responsible are ever held accountable.

11 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Enzo is probably staying, we're going to be signing someone like Wharton or Scott. We need to fund that transfer because of the financial ineptitude of our owners. Makes sense to me if we can get 50m

I don't think we will regret it personally, I like the idea of Andrey santos more than what I've actually seen of him in a chelsea shirt

If we use the money to get someone like Wharton then that’s fair enough.

I haven’t seen any concrete rumours about us firming up our interest in Wharton or Scott and really trying to sign any of them, unless I’m missing something, it’s looking more likely we would use the funds from any possible Santos sale to fund another position.

I hope I’m wrong but we seem to be hanging our hats on Enzo being happy to stay and re-integrate back into the team without any fuss. Where as it’s also likely he will still want to leave ideally and we could get caught short by selling right at the end of the window and then struggling to replace him.

17 minutes ago, 2211 said:

If we use the money to get someone like Wharton then that’s fair enough.

I haven’t seen any concrete rumours about us firming up our interest in Wharton or Scott and really trying to sign any of them, unless I’m missing something, it’s looking more likely we would use the funds from any possible Santos sale to fund another position.

I hope I’m wrong but we seem to be hanging our hats on Enzo being happy to stay and re-integrate back into the team without any fuss. Where as it’s also likely he will still want to leave ideally and we could get caught short by selling right at the end of the window and then struggling to replace him.

You are not selling Santos to pay for Wharton.

22 minutes ago, 2211 said:

If we use the money to get someone like Wharton then that’s fair enough.

I haven’t seen any concrete rumours about us firming up our interest in Wharton or Scott and really trying to sign any of them, unless I’m missing something, it’s looking more likely we would use the funds from any possible Santos sale to fund another position.

I hope I’m wrong but we seem to be hanging our hats on Enzo being happy to stay and re-integrate back into the team without any fuss. Where as it’s also likely he will still want to leave ideally and we could get caught short by selling right at the end of the window and then struggling to replace him.

Beggars belief that they won't cut and run from Fernandez. Not withstanding the bang average performances, he also doesn't want to be here ! He's like that expensive jacket you've had hanging in your wardrobe for years that you never wear but won't sell for what it is now worth as you paid so much for it ... it's time to move on ! Bin Enzo and build around Caicedo and Palmer, who are the real talents that they've bought up to now ...

Again, Santos needs another season with us, we were looking at Xhaka... Is Santos not already a blue and ready to do a similar role Xhaka would play? Should be in the side alonsige Caicedo and Enzo consined to the scrapheap. Again, we're selling players to promote bomb squad players back into the set up.

15 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

You are not selling Santos to pay for Wharton.

Which was my point, we’d only spend that king of money if Enzo goes.