10 minutes ago, Blue72 said:

Understand the media backing this guy but don't get it with the fans. What has this guy ever achieved to warrant any support or hope his win ratio is bang average if not very poor for him to be managing a top tier club. All hype and sound bites where as on the field he's been schooled by every manager in the league

Well here's one fan explaining it for you.

https://www.bt.com/sport/watch/video/clips/2023/january/cole-urges-chelsea-fans-to-stick-by-potter

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

1.95 PPG is not average, certainly not considering the circumstances with taking over a team that looked completely hopeless. That is a 75 point season which is almost always good enough for Top 4.

So you are wide off the mark here.

If Potter was getting 1.95 PPG he'd be hailed as the next Fergie

Still no for the same reasons. 

The results are not defendable, obviously, but whether he 'should' be sacked should not be decided by:

-whether we can reach our initial objectives for the season (all managers fail to in some seasons, and most fans surely want us to move away from chopping and changing for short term impetus) 

-whether other chelsea managers have been sacked under similar or even less bad circumstances (irrelevant, this isn't a moral issue or case of crime and punishment) 

-whether you think tuchel was wrongly sacked (I do, but it can't and won't be undone) 

If you want Potter out (immediately) you have to have a clear idea of who you want in, and believe we can get them in now. We're probably then talking about Zidane and pochettino and while those both offer some  upsides in terms of their experience, I'm not totally convinced either are better coaches. Add to that we've just recruited various backroom people with Potter in mind, and you're talking about a very messy, expensive situation without any guarantee that things will be better for it.

Obviously if he loses the players then it's all moot, as at that point the situation is irretrievable. 

So, no, I don't want him out, though that shouldn't be seen as an endorsement of his start.

 

The best thing for the club is probably to keep him, conclude their crazy recruitment and restructuring, and hope that performances and results improve enough to give us confidence in going into the next season with Potter still in place. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Won the champions league with this sh*t squad, outcoaching the likes of Zidane, Simeone and Guardiola. Dragged us from 9th into the top 4 first season, easily got top 4 in the 2nd season, despite a huge injury crisis, massive instability around the club and having to compete on every single front in 4 cups. A dodgy VAR decision away from an FA cup in his first season, a few penality kicks away from a League and FA Cup double in his 2nd season, along with winning our first ever Club World Cup. Before Lukaku went off the rails and the injury crisis we even looked like we could win the Prem. In the Champions League we only lost to the eventual winners in extra time after battering them all game.

 

He didn't just do a wonderful job, he did an incredible job, and sacking him was one of the most stupid decisions this club have ever made.

He didn't easily get top 4 last season. Arsenal and Spurs caught us right up. We were shocking in 2022.

We had the easiest run to a FA Cup last season i have ever seen.

CL win as i say just papered over the cracks and new manager bounce. You think players like Werner and Havertz, Ziyech Pulisic were good because we won a CL?. TT in the league did the same as Sarri, Lampard, scraped top 4. TT was a good manager i never said he wasnt, just find the whole narrative around him funny when we werent doing any better. The football under TT was boring.

 

9 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

The guy who is currently top of the league has been a manager for like 4 seasons now and finished 7th twice.

Potter has a better CV than him.

Should we appoint R.Martinez because he won a FA cup with Wigan right? its a trophy after all and thats all that matters.

Roberto Martinez is a good example of giving too much time to an unproven manager, completely wasted Belgiums golden generation. 

7 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

We were the 2nd best team in the league during his 1st season, 38 points from 19 games would've averaged out to a 76 point season. That's with 0 pre season, inheriting a team in free fall and going all the way in the FA Cup and Champions League.

If league form was a better way to judge quality why hasn't Guardiola won a Champions League yet? Some managers are better at putting smaller teams to the sword which results in league success, like Conte or Guardiola. Other managers are better at shutting down the big teams and winning cups, like Tuchel. Personally I don't mind finishing top 4 every year knowing we have a chance of winning every other trophy, and can outplay any team in Europe on our day.

It’s so strange how people try to discredit his performances in the league. 4th In his first season (2nd when accounting for the games he was in charge) and then 3rd last year but people will try to discredit him 

6 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

1.95 PPG is not average, certainly not considering the circumstances with taking over a team that looked completely hopeless. That is a 75 point season which is almost always good enough for Top 4.

So you are wide off the mark here.

Losing at home to West Brom, Arsenal, Away to Villa, Drawing to Leeds, Man Utd, Southampton, Wolves. It was decent form.

Just now, jack_super_class said:

Losing at home to West Brom, Arsenal, Away to Villa, Drawing to Leeds, Man Utd, Southampton, Wolves. It was decent form.

Decent form but only City was better. Got it.

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Roberto Martinez is a good example of giving too much time to an unproven manager, completely wasted Belgiums golden generation. 

He finished 3rd in a world cup. I dont think Belgium can do much better than that.

I dont even rate the manager. Just the whole trophy argument is silly, every manager has to start from somewhere.

6 minutes ago, g3.7 said:

Still no for the same reasons. 

The results are not defendable, obviously, but whether he 'should' be sacked should not be decided by:

-whether we can reach our initial objectives for the season (all managers fail to in some seasons, and most fans surely want us to move away from chopping and changing for short term impetus) 

-whether other chelsea managers have been sacked under similar or even less bad circumstances (irrelevant, this isn't a moral issue or case of crime and punishment) 

-whether you think tuchel was wrongly sacked (I do, but it can't and won't be undone) 

If you want Potter out (immediately) you have to have a clear idea of who you want in, and believe we can get them in now. We're probably then talking about Zidane and pochettino and while those both offer some  upsides in terms of their experience, I'm not totally convinced either are better coaches. Add to that we've just recruited various backroom people with Potter in mind, and you're talking about a very messy, expensive situation without any guarantee that things will be better for it.

Obviously if he loses the players then it's all moot, as at that point the situation is irretrievable. 

So, no, I don't want him out, though that shouldn't be seen as an endorsement of his start.

 

The best thing for the club is probably to keep him, conclude their crazy recruitment and restructuring, and hope that performances and results improve enough to give us confidence in going into the next season with Potter still in place. 

 

 

If zidane who won 3 CL in a row and you are still ‘not sure’ if he is a better coach then I can only say you are deluded or you are just trolling

13 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

We were the 2nd best team in the league during his 1st season, 38 points from 19 games would've averaged out to a 76 point season. That's with 0 pre season, inheriting a team in free fall and going all the way in the FA Cup and Champions League.

If league form was a better way to judge quality why hasn't Guardiola won a Champions League yet? Some managers are better at putting smaller teams to the sword which results in league success, like Conte or Guardiola. Other managers are better at shutting down the big teams and winning cups, like Tuchel. Personally I don't mind finishing top 4 every year knowing we have a chance of winning every other trophy, and can outplay any team in Europe on our day.

We weren't going to finish top 4 under TT this season. If you judge the results from 2022. 

Pep was 4 PL in the last 5 years, thats better than winning 1 CL. All we have become in the last 6 years is a cup team.

 

47 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

it makes no difference if we finish 7 or 10 sure but it will be a big difference if we finished 18th

and this is going to happen if we dont act soon

and no real fans want to watch their team lose every f**king single week let me remind you 

We aren't going to finished 18th.

1 hour ago, Deino said:

How long?  We have 20 games left to save the season. 

How long should he be given? 

No Chelsea manager has suffered with this many injuries. Chilwell got injured last season and our season fell apart 

People using the CL win to back TT are reaching.

That season we bottled top 4 losing to Villa but Spurs saved us.

Last season we just about scraped top 4 because of the good start which gave us a buffer.

This season has been terrible from game 1. We haven't looked good since beating Juve 14 months ago.

Think he should get time and want to see when better players return from injury.

That said, the hole is getting deeper by the game.  Nearly a dead man walking

1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

it makes no difference if we finish 7 or 10 sure but it will be a big difference if we finished 18th

and this is going to happen if we dont act soon

and no real fans want to watch their team lose every f**king single week let me remind you 

As if we’d get relegated. 

2 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

People using the CL win to back TT are reaching.

That season we bottled top 4 losing to Villa but Spurs saved us.

Last season we just about scraped top 4 because of the good start which gave us a buffer.

This season has been terrible from game 1. We haven't looked good since beating Juve 14 months ago.

I find it sickening the way some fans underplay TT's achievements to justify what? It's not even mediocrity from Potter, but actual failure.

Make whatever excuses you want to feel vindicated, the truth is Tuchel coached Chelsea FC to continental and world champions in under a year. Fact we finished in the top 4 twice under TT, doesn't matter if Villa beat us or Spurs did us a favour the age old saying is the league table doesn't lie come the end of the season. News flash It's not lying now either.

Crazy how loyal some are to Potter, but couldn't show the same loyalty to TT when he went through mitigating factors of his own whilst on a bad run that again let's remind ourselves we were still in the top 6 and we had only just started our ucl campaign. 

Haven't looked good since beating Juve 14 months ago, so we didn't go 3-0 up at the Bernabéu?

This is what I mean man the recency bias is crazy. Pep and Klopp did well to stay clear of our fan base. They could have won us the triple and some of you would forget after a month of bad results. 

Just blows my mind like we contested 4 finals just last season....even if you don't put much weight on the CWC and super cup, reaching two domestic finals and losing both on penalties to a a coach and team in their 7th season together who finished 2nd in the epl and ucl.

Look at how Liverpool backed Klopp when they had the season of injuries and then the next season they were competing for the quadruple. City started one season very poor and sat 13th a couple seasons ago and by the end of the season they were epl champions again did City fans waver in their support for Pep...no

 

I'm inclined to stick the course, no matter how difficult it is. I'd rather see where we stand at the conclusion of the season and then review Potter's position then.

I don't think there's a benefit of changing anything now before the end of the season. If we sack Potter, we get a quick sugar hit under a new coach and then we'll be back to square one before you know it.

We can't sack our way out of this mess.

No for me. Even if he move us in to the drop zone. This is our medicine, Todd and Co need to drink it. 

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

No Chelsea manager has suffered with this many injuries. Chilwell got injured last season and our season fell apart 

Season fell apart and ended up 4th with a CL Quarterfinal, 2 Finals and 2 trophies.

If that's falling apart then this must be the afterlife

Edited January 13, 20233 yr by Deino

1 hour ago, jack_super_class said:

We weren't going to finish top 4 under TT this season. If you judge the results from 2022. 

Pep was 4 PL in the last 5 years, thats better than winning 1 CL. All we have become in the last 6 years is a cup team.

 

And now we're not even that. We are lower midtable. The players don't want to play for this manager, this manager can't coach for any team with title aspirations and the senior management team can't replace a whole squad in under a month. 

This is exactly the problem all lower table teams face every year. This is what happened to Blackburn, Everton, Watford etc etc. All that leads to is relegation

What's The Point In Sacking Him Bringing Someone Else In 12-18 Months Later After Signing More sh*t That Will Add To The Deadwood Already Here, We've Got To Get Out Of This Mess We've Started Going Down Since Around Sarri

We’re in a mess, that said sacking him at this stage is crazy. The season has now gone, for me he has an 18 game job audition to show he is able to turn this sh1tshow around. Providing there is some light showing he gets to build for next season, if not it’s a cold goodbye. 
Even as I’m typing this, there is a footnote, I’ve seen many teams over the years be described as too good to go down. Technically we are, especially with early season points. We are though showing relegation form and could get sucked into a battle our players aren’t equipped for, so a couple of wins are needed quickly to dispel any fears.

5 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

People using the CL win to back TT are reaching.

That season we bottled top 4 losing to Villa but Spurs saved us.

Last season we just about scraped top 4 because of the good start which gave us a buffer.

This season has been terrible from game 1. We haven't looked good since beating Juve 14 months ago.

In the first circumstance Tuchel was the reason we got into a position to rely on Tottenham. 

In the second we had 5 tournaments to juggle while Arsenal and Spurs only had one each and even then we didn't "just about" scrape it, we secured it with two home games to spare.

55 minutes ago, Argo said:

In the first circumstance Tuchel was the reason we got into a position to rely on Tottenham. 

In the second we had 5 tournaments to juggle while Arsenal and Spurs only had one each and even then we didn't "just about" scrape it, we secured it with two home games to spare.

And we went pretty far in every one of those tournaments. 

Last season was a good one from the majority of fans. We might not have been amazing towards the end but we did made the 2 last games useless. 

Anyone discrediting Tuchel for what hs achieved in his time with us is an entitled fanboy. Funny how they then support Potterball which is dogsh*t