15 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

The media and pundits haven't stopped criticising Utd all week .

And yet Utd are 3 points better off than we are.

The media and pundits have been incredibly bias and kind in our favour.

I'd rather be criticised for being a bottom half team than people shrugging their shoulders and saying well that's what you'd expect with the players we've signed 

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

José talked about other teams all the time ! . But yeah, that would have been the better answer, agreed 

The time when he was Madrid coach and was sucking up to SAF and Man Utd by repeatedly saying that the better team lost when they beat Utd at OT was nauseating to say the least. 

Edited November 4, 20232 yr by Nick05

16 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently he did, but I have not watched the presser to say for sure.

End of the day he is a Spurs man, they are his club after his 6 years there. Plenty of their fans call him agent Poch now and are delighted with the job he is doing with us lol.

One of the main reasons why I didn't want him. There is too much history with him at Tottenham. I don't want our manager speaking good of Tottenham, ever. It's Chelsea fans that will be listening to these things, and we don't want to hear our manager gleefully talking up Tottenham of all teams. 

4 minutes ago, Nick05 said:

The time when he was Madrid coach and was sucking up to SAF and Man Utd by repeatedly saying that the better team lost when they beat Utd at OT was nauseating to say the least. 

Too right , he had his eyes the United job eventually , he slid down along on his knees when Porto scored  at OT, then  his crawling and sympathy and feeling sad about beating Utd  when RM manager was vomit inducing. Arms around Fergie FFS , 

Shows how standards have changed. United are in crisis due to a poor start in the CL, out of the league cup but. are 6 points ahead of us who have no European football and are not in crisis?

 

Remember when Jose was sacked after a much better league start but because we Dre at home to Rosenberg?

5 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Shows how standards have changed. United are in crisis due to a poor start in the CL, out of the league cup but. are 6 points ahead of us who have no European football and are not in crisis?

 

Remember when Jose was sacked after a much better league start but because we Dre at home to Rosenberg?

Yeah I was at that game, I think we had a poor attendance that evening too.

Edit . Attendance was just under 25,000

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16 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

If he'd said it whilst doing a great job with us then there'd be nothing wrong with it.

 

But given he's only won 12 points in 10 games so far, he should probably be trying his best to keep our fans on side. 

Remember Potter last season? That aura of smugness and arrogance of believing he was invincible.  
 

“I’ve just come out of a crises meeting”. Crowd laughes. 
 

Really hope Poch doesn’t enter that stage. Here we are 6 points behind the worst United team I’ve ever seen and here he goes talking about Spurs and hopes he sees them win the league. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Remember Potter last season? That aura of smugness and arrogance of believing he was invincible.  
 

“I’ve just come out of a crises meeting”. Crowd laughes. 
 

Really hope Poch doesn’t enter that stage. Here we are 6 points behind the worst United team I’ve ever seen and here he goes talking about Spurs and hopes he sees them win the league. 

Well in the interview I watched he said they were very good and in with a chance of winning it 

NEVER said he "hoped" they would win it.  

I don't really remember his time at Southampton, but reading about it , they were described as the " great entertainers"   I still don't remember it. 😂😂😂

17 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Remember Potter last season? That aura of smugness and arrogance of believing he was invincible.  
 

“I’ve just come out of a crises meeting”. Crowd laughes. 
 

Really hope Poch doesn’t enter that stage. Here we are 6 points behind the worst United team I’ve ever seen and here he goes talking about Spurs and hopes he sees them win the league. 

We could be down to 16th or 17th after the next three games is sides down their pick up results.

5 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

We could be down to 16th or 17th after the next three games is sides down their pick up results.

I know, it's frightening.  I cant get my head round it. FFS we're going to have to start picking up points against the better teams now. We seem to be on the right track then we go a few steps back again.

It's baffling to me how we've fallen so low so quickly. Maybe not baffling, more annoying really 

 

11 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I know, it's frightening.  I cant get my head round it. FFS we're going to have to start picking up points against the better teams now. We seem to be on the right track then we go a few steps back again.

It's baffling to me how we've fallen so low so quickly. Maybe not baffling, more annoying really 

 

Rather simple for me. 

 

You go to a dogsh*t Bournemouth and don't score.

Then from home games against a very good Villa, a poor Brentford missing several players and a very poor forest side you don't score a single goal.

1 point from that lot, should have been 9, with Villa being a minimum 1 point. Nevermind west ham, Arsenal or Pool there is 8 extra points we should have taken but just let them go with a whimper.

20 points would put us 6th in a really good position.

As it is we face being 14th or maybe 15th when we face Spurs.

Pochettino is not doing a good enough job, too much blame going on Nkunkus injury.

21 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I know, it's frightening.  I cant get my head round it. FFS we're going to have to start picking up points against the better teams now. We seem to be on the right track then we go a few steps back again.

It's baffling to me how we've fallen so low so quickly. Maybe not baffling, more annoying really 

 

I can. New owners came in that nobody at the club asked for, from the players, to the staff, to the fans. Instead of trying to ease their way in and make changes slowly, they were like a bull in a China shop, destroying everything from the previous regime. A Champions League winning coach, almost universally loved by the fans, sacked and replaced by Potter, a coach well out of his depth. In a single year, they make it so the club will owe £1b to other clubs over the next 8 years, and in return we get a squad full of kids with barely any experience at the top level under their name, kids that don't really look any better than the academy players we have let go. Nobody can know how well these kids will turn out, but what we do know is that more often than not, potential doesn't materialise with young players, but our new owners decided to gamble the future of the club on it. 

The worst part for me was trying to fool the fans into believing that the club was a mess under the previous ownership. One thing's for sure, I never felt under the previous regime that we could be financially ruined in the not too distant future, I also never feared relegation 2 years running. 

We have gone from being in the top 4 clubs in the whole country to a club that feels alien. It's like the complete opposite to Newcastle's new owners. They have gone about things with little fuss, no drama, just quietly making Newcastle the club their fans have been dreaming about for decades. Our owners wanted to be a lot louder though, full of themselves with massive ego's, and it's tearing the club apart.

19 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

The media and pundits haven't stopped criticising Utd all week .

And yet Utd are 3 points better off than we are.

I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that Ten hag is in his second season and actually had a good season last year getting them to the CL. Comparing this season to last shows that they have regressed. People are more lenient with Poch I think because this is his first season and he is essentially trying to bring a mid table club back to the top. Last season under Potter people didn't want us to be compared to Arteta and Klopp because Potter inherited a chamipons league winning team and they inherited teams that were sh*t so they deserved time. The comparison is now fair this season since Poch is inheriting a team that was sh*t and has been overhauled overnight.

Edited November 4, 20232 yr by Frankie8Lampard

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

I can. New owners came in that nobody at the club asked for, from the players, to the staff, to the fans. Instead of trying to ease their way in and make changes slowly, they were like a bull in a China shop, destroying everything from the previous regime. A Champions League winning coach, almost universally loved by the fans, sacked and replaced by Potter, a coach well out of his depth. In a single year, they make it so the club will owe £1b to other clubs over the next 8 years, and in return we get a squad full of kids with barely any experience at the top level under their name, kids that don't really look any better than the academy players we have let go. Nobody can know how well these kids will turn out, but what we do know is that more often than not, potential doesn't materialise with young players, but our new owners decided to gamble the future of the club on it. 

The worst part for me was trying to fool the fans into believing that the club was a mess under the previous ownership. One thing's for sure, I never felt under the previous regime that we could be financially ruined in the not too distant future, I also never feared relegation 2 years running. 

We have gone from being in the top 4 clubs in the whole country to a club that feels alien. It's like the complete opposite to Newcastle's new owners. They have gone about things with little fuss, no drama, just quietly making Newcastle the club their fans have been dreaming about for decades. Our owners wanted to be a lot louder though, full of themselves with massive ego's, and it's tearing the club apart.

Spot on Scottie,  i wasn't really baffled,  I've written similar myself in fact , just a lazy comment really 

Cheers

21 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

 

I don't understand why he didn't say he was furious that Spurs are doing so well .

Just what I'm wondering as well. 

Wonder what kind of emotional f**kwits people have become. 

5 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Remember Potter last season? That aura of smugness and arrogance of believing he was invincible.  
 

“I’ve just come out of a crises meeting”. Crowd laughes. 
 

Really hope Poch doesn’t enter that stage. Here we are 6 points behind the worst United team I’ve ever seen and here he goes talking about Spurs and hopes he sees them win the league. 

Potter was sacked (rightfully so) after having us 10th, but he also had champions league games to deal with, and had gotten us past Dortmund into the quarter final, not to mention he didn't have a pre-season.

 

Poch has had a full pre-season, and he doesn't have any European games to deal with, the aim this season should be top 6. Otherwise he's being held to an even lower standard than Graham Potter was.

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Potter was sacked (rightfully so) after having us 10th, but he also had champions league games to deal with, and had gotten us past Dortmund into the quarter final, not to mention he didn't have a pre-season.

 

Poch has had a full pre-season, and he doesn't have any European games to deal with, the aim this season should be top 6. Otherwise he's being held to an even lower standard than Graham Potter was.

You seriously thought this team was going to finish in the top 6 before the season started? 

I think people who thought we were going to be finishing that high had no idea how drastic the squad change and lack of experience really is. Pre-season or not, it doesn't trump the fact that this is a completely brand new team with barely any experience, meanwhile Potter had CL winners and experienced players who had been here for years. Poch's most experienced Chelsea players are Silva, James, and Chilwell, and the latter two have barely played due to injuries. 

5 hours ago, Victor90 said:

You seriously thought this team was going to finish in the top 6 before the season started? 

I think people who thought we were going to be finishing that high had no idea how drastic the squad change and lack of experience really is. Pre-season or not, it doesn't trump the fact that this is a completely brand new team with barely any experience, meanwhile Potter had CL winners and experienced players who had been here for years. Poch's most experienced Chelsea players are Silva, James, and Chilwell, and the latter two have barely played due to injuries. 

I think you could have included Sterling in that lot. Caicedo has played only 13 games less than Reece James, despite a much shorter time in the PL. Sanchez is about the same. Cucu has about 150 La Liga and PL combined experience. Disasi has 100 games of Ligue 1 experience in France. Gallagher has over 100 PL appearances. 

"Are you experienced"  Jimi famously asked  and went on in one of my favourite lines "move over rover, let jimi take over", (see "Smash Hits")  but I would argue there is a core of players with enough experience.
if you tell me they have don't have much experience together yet then fair enough. But regarding them all as youngsters and wet behind the ears, I can't agree with.

15 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Shows how standards have changed. United are in crisis due to a poor start in the CL, out of the league cup but. are 6 points ahead of us who have no European football and are not in crisis?

 

Remember when Jose was sacked after a much better league start but because we Dre at home to Rosenberg?

I think that's because Utd finished 3rd last season, 14 pts behind City. Many were counting on them to challenge for the title this season. And then there's a section of their fanboys in the media and punditry who desperately want to see them do well. They are just frustrated to see them go nowhere this season and their desperation is hilarious to watch. 

In contrast we finished 12th last season, with less than half the points of City. We sacked a proven winner manager and signed a novice and a bunch of players who none of us heard about. We barely escaped getting pulled into a relegation battle! If it was Roman still in charge then surely there would be talk about crisis but with him gone I feel the identity and expectations around the club have changed for the worse. We've gone from a club who won't tolerate failure to a club who are fine with mediocrity in the present with faint hopes of doing well in the future. Just like American sports teams, we're tanking now in hopes of building a future winning team. But the uneasy thing is that tanking and mediocrity are acceptable at Chelsea now. 

Maybe for us this is a crisis but most people including pundits see this as a team who finished 12th last season, are currently 12th this season and a new manager with a bunch of inexperienced and unproven players. It's just about expected.

15 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Well in the interview I watched he said they were very good and in with a chance of winning it 

NEVER said he "hoped" they would win it.  

I don't really remember his time at Southampton, but reading about it , they were described as the " great entertainers"   I still don't remember it. 😂😂😂

What I remember about his time at The Saints was for just how long his post match interviews on MOTD  were via a translater. Seemed like a good year, then when he did eventually pipe up in English it seemed very clear and plausible.

Bit off topic but apparently when Michael Owen joined Becks at Real Madrid, his Spanish language skills rapidly eclipsed DB’s who’d been there a good while previous…

Great line in Porridge…

Fletcher “ Only one geezer in my class passed his Spanish O Level…Gomez was his name”…😂

1 hour ago, Nick05 said:

I think that's because Utd finished 3rd last season, 14 pts behind City. Many were counting on them to challenge for the title this season. And then there's a section of their fanboys in the media and punditry who desperately want to see them do well. They are just frustrated to see them go nowhere this season and their desperation is hilarious to watch. 

In contrast we finished 12th last season, with less than half the points of City. We sacked a proven winner manager and signed a novice and a bunch of players who none of us heard about. We barely escaped getting pulled into a relegation battle! If it was Roman still in charge then surely there would be talk about crisis but with him gone I feel the identity and expectations around the club have changed for the worse. We've gone from a club who won't tolerate failure to a club who are fine with mediocrity in the present with faint hopes of doing well in the future. Just like American sports teams, we're tanking now in hopes of building a future winning team. But the uneasy thing is that tanking and mediocrity are acceptable at Chelsea now. 

Maybe for us this is a crisis but most people including pundits see this as a team who finished 12th last season, are currently 12th this season and a new manager with a bunch of inexperienced and unproven players. It's just about expected.

There is no such thing as tanking though in pl.

hats down to Newcastle owners. with ‘avarage’ but PL experience team, they’ve shown how it’s supposed to be done. this is not USA, you get f**kin relegated. this is not your  brand new toy, ffs

Edited November 5, 20232 yr by mojo

Poch needs to build chemistry fast. We could have a good if not great run if it wasn't for silly errors and forwards that can't score.

It's a learning season again and I hope we don't lose young talents just to accomodate new signings. Could have used Doku and Kuddus instead of Madueke, Lavia at this point.

6 hours ago, mojo said:

hats down to Newcastle owners. with ‘avarage’ but PL experience team, they’ve shown how it’s supposed to be done. this is not USA, you get f**kin relegated. this is not your  brand new toy, ffs

Hate to say it but the intensity and aggression they showed last night reminded me of Mourinho’s first stint with us.