40 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

It is pointless discussion because you're completely deluded.  Your blind hope has crossed into Delusion.

I'm wondering why you're drawing a parralel between our young deadwood and Messi instead of highly rated young players like Bojan, Kakuta, Mceachran, Kiko Macheda, Di Santo, and El Hadji Diouf?

How many Ballond'ors did Messi have when he was Mudryks age?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/carney-chukwuemeka/marktwertverlauf/spieler/659459

It's not like there's any concrete way to access a players value and he's a prospect but let's not pretend Chuk was a bargain.  £20m is a lot of money for a player that hasn't shown anything and we've made far far too many of those signings.  A lot of money for very little.

It's Tiring the same people pretending we're an inconsistent team when we're not. We're just consistently poor which is why we've picked up less points than Everton this season,  less points than Everton in 2023 and less points than Everton over our last 38 games under 3 different managers.

We're a poor team because the young players we've brought in are in many cases just not good enough and they show it every time they're on the pitch even if you'd like to ignore it and pretend they're top talents because your playstation told you so.

Good post.

After nearly a billion spent we have not improved the squad since we won the champions league.

We all praise the likes of Enzo simply because of his potential but he's not even playing at Jorginhos level for Chelsea right now.

 

 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Back to Conte 3-4-2-1 means we are already defeated as a club. Nobody plays like that, at least not any side that plays the most updated way and that is winning matches.

Play Enzo deeper like it's supposed to be and let Caicedo have more freedom to press because right now he's a shadow of himself. 

Let's examine some situations;

Hojlund decided to take a shot, if he had passed to Bruno it's a goal, Enzo is playing too far up the pitch, Caicedo can't mark everyone by himself, Enzo is out of position and late:

Enzo also came late and conceded a penalty as well. When we lost possession it's also largley due to Enzo not being anywhere near our passing sequence, 4 players around Palmer:

Just prior to them scoring, Enzo was as high up the pitch as Mudryk:

We actually scored when Enzo came to play deeper and when he really was in line with Caicedo in a 4-2-3-1 like it's supposed to be, you can actually see Palmer making the run:

Enzo is given far too much freedom by Poch. I don't care what his dad wants he should be playing deeper because this isn't going to work.

 

One thing that needs to be considered is the distance between Caicedo and Enzo. They are too far apart and if the CAM isn't connecting with them its going to cause even more issues. Need a connector as Palmer probably best as a wide forward playing between the channels when needed. 

Having Nkunku and Carney back will definitely help solve a lot of things but you do have to wonder if the players don't have enough game management experience to do what Poch is telling them. Then again, why did it work so well for DeZerbi and Scaloni/Schmidt?

49 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

One thing that needs to be considered is the distance between Caicedo and Enzo. They are too far apart and if the CAM isn't connecting with them its going to cause even more issues. Need a connector as Palmer probably best as a wide forward playing between the channels when needed. 

Having Nkunku and Carney back will definitely help solve a lot of things but you do have to wonder if the players don't have enough game management experience to do what Poch is telling them. Then again, why did it work so well for DeZerbi and Scaloni/Schmidt?

So many reasons why it is not working for us but fundamental are injuries.. we still don’t have our first choice LB,CB we have no one to sub into the game for our wide players and our best forward is injured..

Pat Nevin said that he thinks that this squad won’t be ready to challenge for top 4 for 2 seasons and it will take them that long to develop. Hard to argue with that. 

5 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Pat Nevin said that he thinks that this squad won’t be ready to challenge for top 4 for 2 seasons and it will take them that long to develop. Hard to argue with that. 

Problem is I don't understand why us fans can't fathom that.

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Pat Nevin said that he thinks that this squad won’t be ready to challenge for top 4 for 2 seasons and it will take them that long to develop. Hard to argue with that. 

I think he is on the money. Hopefully it won't take longer.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

Problem is I don't understand why us fans can't fathom that.

Most don't want to drop our standards to accept us being mid table trash for a few years.

Personally I don't trust our owners to get it right.

😂😂😂

 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

I think he is on the money. Hopefully it won't take longer.

Most don't want to drop our standards to accept us being mid table trash for a few years.

Personally I don't trust our owners to get it right.

I think 2 years is being very generous, could be a lot longer than that. I mean how many teams are ahead of us right now, then you got the mid and lower table teams who could steal points from us. There's a big difference between real football and fantasy draft, we all know what's our recent recruitment been based on. Enzo and Caicedo are good players in their own rights, but if we look closely at the teams they came from, they weren't the real clutch players. You put them together in a Chelsea team and expect to be one of the best in the league, of course they fall short. Another example is you get Mudryk and Mendueke  in the same window, that's 2 very raw players you tried to integrate into the first 11, of course they are going to struggle. Poch admitting we are short in size and power is just an admission we failed to sign proven players. We are doing the Arsenal way ( on top of  paying way over the evaluation)  in Wenger's closing stage, and he had to do it because of the stadium, not via choice.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

😂😂😂

 

So about his Rice/Caicedo claim.

He should have been fired on the spot after his claims about Rudi bullying the academy players (which Tammy instantly called out as BS), how he's still allowed to report on the club nearly 3 years on is truly truly hideous.

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

So about his Rice/Caicedo claim.

He should have been fired on the spot after his claims about Rudi bullying the academy players (which Tammy instantly called out as BS), how he's still allowed to report on the club nearly 3 years on is truly truly hideous.

Aerial challenge number is usually a bit complicated because it depend on your definition on aerial challenge. 

13 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Rumours are the ownership have been in contact with Hansi Flick.

😍😍😍 Give me crazy high line ball. 

But a lot people will hate it. 

 

You want a good manager, doesn’t have to be a “top” manager. You need a manager that suits “the project” compare Emery at Arsenal v Emery at Villa. Ancelotti would be the wrong person right now. We need a manager with a system and something that the players and the supporters  buy into. 

‘anyhow let’s see how Poch goes for a bit. 

2 hours ago, Argo said:

So about his Rice/Caicedo claim.

He should have been fired on the spot after his claims about Rudi bullying the academy players (which Tammy instantly called out as BS), how he's still allowed to report on the club nearly 3 years on is truly truly hideous.

Personally I completely agree with his article. I think it's plain to see that we are, overall, a small side who get absolutely rinsed in the air. 

The stat that Rice has jumped and contested 9 more aerial challenges than Enzo and Caicedo COMBINED is telling. If you ain't challenging for a header you ain't gonna win it.

We have no real aerially dominant players at all apart from Badiashile and to a lesser extent Colwill.

I saw a few interesting idea here, so let's discuss them a bit. 

1. Play 343

343 is an interesting formation and it is probably the easiest system to play because you defend and attack the same way. 

What is the problem with 343 with this squad ? It is simple, you don't want to tell to your board "BTW boss your 100m winger can't play in my system" 

2. Compact midifeld

There is no such thing as I want to play compact midfield and it just magically happen. If you want to play narrow midfield somebody else need to cover the wide area. 

Can you make lazy sterling run? Can you make Palmer run? So far the answer is no. What is the solution? Gallagher.

Or play Chilwell there, but everyone here went mental when poch did it. 😂😂

(You want sterling to give more effort than what he is doing right now but not running all the time, that will stupid, he is our best attacker) 

 3. Play slower 

The slower your play the better it is for your slower player and you can stay organized easily.  We have seen this impact when we switched from Lamp to TT. This will help the like of cucu, enzo and silva.

What is the problem with playing slower?  We have seen it again and again vs low block team, it is very difficult to score because you need to be precise and clinical. 

4. Play other player 

Everybody is injured. 😂😂

Our only option last week was Borja (1st season after acl) and Maatsen. ( Badi can only play once a week).

If we start getting more player back from treatement room and we continue to see the same pathetic performance, we should be worried otherwise let's continue enjoying this roller coaster 😂😂

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 9, 20232 yr by Bob stark

The simplest thing is just select mostly the same 11 in their proper positions, let the 2 and 3 person combos get some time together and build. 
But the team can’t settle. The defence personnel change, the midfield personnel change, Sterling is switched from side to side etc.

1 hour ago, just said:

Personally I completely agree with his article. I think it's plain to see that we are, overall, a small side who get absolutely rinsed in the air. 

The stat that Rice has jumped and contested 9 more aerial challenges than Enzo and Caicedo COMBINED is telling. If you ain't challenging for a header you ain't gonna win it.

We have no real aerially dominant players at all apart from Badiashile and to a lesser extent Colwill.

Actually we are not that small of a team. It is just our two tall att (Palmer n Jackson) are kinda useless in the air. 

17 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

It is pointless discussion because you're completely deluded.  Your blind hope has crossed into Delusion.

I'm wondering why you're drawing a parralel between our young deadwood and Messi instead of highly rated young players like Bojan, Kakuta, Mceachran, Kiko Macheda, Di Santo, and El Hadji Diouf?

How many Ballond'ors did Messi have when he was Mudryks age?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/carney-chukwuemeka/marktwertverlauf/spieler/659459

It's not like there's any concrete way to access a players value and he's a prospect but let's not pretend Chuk was a bargain.  £20m is a lot of money for a player that hasn't shown anything and we've made far far too many of those signings.  A lot of money for very little.

It's Tiring the same people pretending we're an inconsistent team when we're not. We're just consistently poor which is why we've picked up less points than Everton this season,  less points than Everton in 2023 and less points than Everton over our last 38 games under 3 different managers.

We're a poor team because the young players we've brought in are in many cases just not good enough and they show it every time they're on the pitch even if you'd like to ignore it and pretend they're top talents because your playstation told you so.

There was no parallel drawn between our youngsters and Messi. If you can't comprehend the point made regarding context of the spending then we'll leave it just there.

We're not consistently poor. When the only metric you're using is points, no doubt you'll end up with such a confirmation bias. With all reasonable metrics we were better than Arsenal, Liverpool, Brighton, City, Spurs. That says enough as a counterpoint. 

We're not a poor team at all, and certainly not because the youngsters aren't good enough. Their output and performances are within expectations given the context. As I said, we're unbalanced - by way of experience and requirements in certain positions. If your expectations are consistent quality performances with inexperienced youngsters, then the issue is with your expectations. 

Chelsea have  become the laughing stock of football and even the most stalwart of supporters can not come up with any feasible argument to justify the mess we are in 

we have a manager  who has not given us a playing identity  and chops and changes things that nobody can reason why  Christ knows what the players must be thinking  after all they must of been told when they signed they would play in the position they were signed for how many must be waiting for the transfer window to get away

we will be fortunate to avoid relegation  , injured players that some are dreaming will rescue us are mistaken some have been out for so long it will take them months to get up to prem speed and there will be  injuries to other body parts strains etc due to lack of play just look at James as a prime example 

 

 

 

A month ago we beat Spurs 4-1 and then drew 4-4 with City.

We are certainly unpredictable and two very silly pieces of recent behaviour by James and Gallagher in the best league in the world have cost us.

Should we kick them out of the club? Of course not nor should we give up yet on Poch.

Seems to be a lot of knee jerk behaviour although I agree it is not good at the moment, think given the circumstances with about 6 out of action we are  struggling to make  headway.

This is a big month, 3 matches in November and 7 in December.

 

 

I think we should just give Pochettino some performance meters to work with for 2 seasons. So that every player, fan would know what they are and could follow them easily. That meter is followed by the club and will assess it 2 times a season. If those meters are met he gets another 6 months to work in peace. I don't get what all the secrecy is with professional teams. Would be brilliant for fans to follow the growth and assess the team with other things than wins and losses. 

I don't know what those meters would be exactly but we could work them out easily. Maybe they already have them in place but they keep them to themselves.

5 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Actually we are not that small of a team. It is just our two tall att (Palmer n Jackson) are kinda useless in the air. 

That's not right. None of our central midfielder players, apart from Ugochukwu, require anything other than a 6ft tape to measure them from soles of feet to top of head.

Throw in James, Cucurella, Sterling, Gusto (when he returns from injury), Maatsen (when he gets on the pitch), and we only need to sign Snow White to remake the film.

But you are right about Jackson and Palmer being average at best in the air. 

Edited December 9, 20232 yr by just

5 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Actually we are not that small of a team. It is just our two tall att (Palmer n Jackson) are kinda useless in the air. 

And yet it’s the likes of Gallagher, Silva, Disasi, and Colwill failing to mark anyone when we concede that repetitive cross the pitch goal. 
 

 

3 hours ago, venom2011 said:

There was no parallel drawn between our youngsters and Messi. If you can't comprehend the point made regarding context of the spending then we'll leave it just there.

We're not consistently poor. When the only metric you're using is points, no doubt you'll end up with such a confirmation bias. With all reasonable metrics we were better than Arsenal, Liverpool, Brighton, City, Spurs. That says enough as a counterpoint. 

We're not a poor team at all, and certainly not because the youngsters aren't good enough. Their output and performances are within expectations given the context. As I said, we're unbalanced - by way of experience and requirements in certain positions. If your expectations are consistent quality performances with inexperienced youngsters, then the issue is with your expectations. 

Another dreadful post from you I'm afraid.

It's painful to read drivel like "With all reasonable metrics we were better than Arsenal, Liverpool, Brighton, City, Spurs"  and talking about us having the absolute lowest number of points in the league over our last 38 games (a full season) as confirmation bias when we clearly aren't a good team.

My expectations before the season was a bottom half finish, that's also my expectation next season and the season after with this group of players proving we stay in the league though hopefully it's a moot point as we'll move many of them on and bring in some real quality in the next few windows.

This table makes for grim reading for us and Forest but they've have brought In as many players as us perhaps some of their more misty eyed supporters are expecting the treble from them once they sort out their own "inconsistency" 

Edited December 9, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

Accept where we are and you will be a lot happier in your daily football life.

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

Accept where we are and you will be a lot happier in your daily football life.

And trust the process 👍