11 hours ago, axman2526 said:

8 year deals. Is Enzo I am sure he will be one who wants out.

Enzo signed an 8.5 year deal. Club are supposed to have exercised an option to extend it to 9.5 (June 2032) a few months after he joined as well.

Of the six guys that signed 8 year deals, my bet would be it's Madueke (and only Madueke) making noises. 

Edited December 12, 20232 yr by Sexyfootball

😂😂😂😂

If you replace cucu with Colwill, this team is actually pretty damn good 

5 hours ago, ozboy said:

Dont agree with that. What about Lee Carsley?

What credentials has he got to be even considered as a Chelsea manager, has he even managed at EPL club level yet? It's a complete different challenge to managing under 21 team. There are so many reasons why managing this Chelsea team is so difficult, and the solution is not to take a leap of faith with someone who had no real experience at this level. Again, just opinions, don't expect agreement.

15 hours ago, forbzy said:

That could be players like Madueke for all we know, since they are not getting playing time. Equally though I suppose it could be one or two of the higher profile players who are looking to desert a sinking ship.

The rats are scurrying to get off the sinking ship I reckon it's Enzo and noni

6 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Isn't it strange to once again turn to the Brighton manager as being the solution?

Potter proved to be a terrible manager for us already so even if De Zerbi is a better manager, exactly how much better is he?

Why would  de zebri want to come to Chelsea the state we are in

For me the most worrying thing is he brought up transfers. That tells me he feels pressure.

15 minutes ago, evissy said:

For me the most worrying thing is he brought up transfers. That tells me he feels pressure.

Oh he's absolutely under extreme pressure.

Clearlake are for sure expecting Champions League qualification this year, and directors in any industry always have a hard time accepting they have made a mistake, let alone in a high profile sport where winning is everything. They'll be looking for a scapegoat rather than accept any fault or blame themselves for compiling a squad that is not ready to challenge for Top 4.  Pochettino is the easy target.

13 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Oh he's absolutely under extreme pressure.

Clearlake are for sure expecting Champions League qualification this year, and directors in any industry always have a hard time accepting they have made a mistake, let alone in a high profile sport where winning is everything. They'll be looking for a scapegoat rather than accept any fault or blame themselves for compiling a squad that is not ready to challenge for Top 4.  Pochettino is the easy target.

This is under appreciated, they will not accept they made a mistake with ripping up the squad so quickly and double down . All the changes they made should have been over a period of 2 seasons minimum ideally 3 so you have overlap but these dummies thought PL works like American sports.

They will learn an expensive lesson and my only concern is not them losing money but what Ted Lasso will do next to CFC.

They deserve to lose every penny because of their stupidity, also those two co- sporting directors 🤣 they couldn’t direct a fish to water.

22 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Oh he's absolutely under extreme pressure.

Clearlake are for sure expecting Champions League qualification this year, and directors in any industry always have a hard time accepting they have made a mistake, let alone in a high profile sport where winning is everything. They'll be looking for a scapegoat rather than accept any fault or blame themselves for compiling a squad that is not ready to challenge for Top 4.  Pochettino is the easy target.

Why then did they decide to buy raw players replacing almost every starter we had if they wanted to win right away? Why did Pochettino agree to this? And why did our new recruitment people agree to this? 

there is no point in sacking Poch without replacing the management team

these idiots up top are the reason why we are at this mess, not the manager

 

we should be chanting Clearlake out or Boehly out at the stadium well before chanting Poch out

 

 

9 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

Go back to a couple of weeks before Tuchel was appointed - it was the same narrative. The squad is dog sh*te, completely hopeless. Certain players were called clowns and the overall atmosphere was similar to the one in a cemetery. 

Tuchel came in, changed to a 3-4-3, turned Rudiger into a monster, made Chelsea look electric, played 30 matches until the end of the season and only lost 5 and in the end went on to win the Champions League. Just remember the newspapers all over Europe raving about Chelsea before every Champions League match. I used to translate every news regarding Chelsea coming from the biggest newspapers around Europe and it was just a joy to read all the articles talking about Chelsea like our club was this seven headed monster coming for all the clubs left in the Champions League final stages.

This is what differentiates world class managers from normal ones. Pochettino is not a world class one. 

Bring a new world class manager in and he will turn the season around.

Boehly and Eghbali did not make any mistakes in assembling the squad. Nor appointing all the sporting directors. Their THREE BIGGEST MISTAKES were the sacking of Tuchel, the appointment of Potter and the appointment of Pochettino. 

They are clever enough and should be ruthless and act fast. Sack Pochettino, get De Zerbi in and give him the second half of this season and the full summer and Chelsea will be ready for big things next season. 

Well, that Chelsea side had been top around the same time of year as now before going into freefall, Tuchel turned it around but it was a stable, established team he inherited.

Poch has taken over a mish mash of a team pulled apart by incoming and outgoing transfers, it's so f**king depressing after all the ridiculous money we've lashed out too.

Who knows who Todd will sell off in January to try to comply with the sustainability rules after spending a fortune 

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

 

 

Does that mean that Caicedo and Enzo can't work together? One is a passer and the other likes tiki-taka type of 1-2 touches to play forward and would play better with Kovacic. Is that what these social media hipsters mean?

3 minutes ago, RMH said:

Does that mean that Caicedo and Enzo can't work together? One is a passer and the other likes tiki-taka type of 1-2 touches to play forward and would play better with Kovacic. Is that what these social media hipsters mean?

Caicedo played with MacAllister last season (who makes Enzo look like Makelele defensively) and it worked well. The way he's utilising these two is bordering on how Lamps made us believe Rudi and Christensen were duds.

Believe it or not I hate being this critical of a manager and I'll give anything to see something that gives me hope, i was one of the few still defending Potter somewhat at the very end because I actually thought he was starting to show something promising despite results taking a while to catch up.

59 minutes ago, evissy said:

Why then did they decide to buy raw players replacing almost every starter we had if they wanted to win right away? Why did Pochettino agree to this? And why did our new recruitment people agree to this? 

Because they thought they were disrupting the industry with a new and innovative approach that couldn't fail ?

Arrogance I think they call it 🙂 

I don't think they were expecting to win the PL straightaway, but they definitely thought that what they were doing would secure a Top 4.

Pochettino was out of work and needed a job, and the Chelsea job is a plumb job even if we are on a temporarily downward trajectory.  Probably backed himself to be the difference maker, and has found out that it doesn't work because (a) we've had far too many injuries and (b) the level of the players is sub-optimal and worse than he was expecting.

Our recruitment people were at Brighton and Monaco. Chelsea is a big step up. Not surprised they took the job, but spotting football talent is a hard slog, very hit and miss, with way more misses than hits.  The talent pool appears to be at an all-time low as well, which is surprising given the amount of money sloshing about in modern football. Still early days I suppose. Is Eghbali a patient man ? We shall see ... 

9 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

Go back to a couple of weeks before Tuchel was appointed - it was the same narrative. The squad is dog sh*te, completely hopeless. Certain players were called clowns and the overall atmosphere was similar to the one in a cemetery. 

Tuchel came in, changed to a 3-4-3, turned Rudiger into a monster, made Chelsea look electric, played 30 matches until the end of the season and only lost 5 and in the end went on to win the Champions League. Just remember the newspapers all over Europe raving about Chelsea before every Champions League match. I used to translate every news regarding Chelsea coming from the biggest newspapers around Europe and it was just a joy to read all the articles talking about Chelsea like our club was this seven headed monster coming for all the clubs left in the Champions League final stages.

This is what differentiates world class managers from normal ones. Pochettino is not a world class one. 

Bring a new world class manager in and he will turn the season around.

Boehly and Eghbali did not make any mistakes in assembling the squad. Nor appointing all the sporting directors. Their THREE BIGGEST MISTAKES were the sacking of Tuchel, the appointment of Potter and the appointment of Pochettino. 

They are clever enough and should be ruthless and act fast. Sack Pochettino, get De Zerbi in and give him the second half of this season and the full summer and Chelsea will be ready for big things next season. 

I don't think the team is as bad as many are saying, but it's nowhere near the level of the team that Tuchel took over. 

Tuchel almost massively improved every player in that side but many of them were already experienced and showed good signs to begin with, the likes of Rudiger and Christensen for example. Kante had some of his worst performances under Lampard and Sarri but he was excellent under Conte and Tuchel brought that out in him again, we all knew the player was there. 

Most of our players are unproven, nobody is going to make them click overnight. 

I don't think most of them are sh*t or duds, I think they just need time. 

13 minutes ago, Argo said:

Caicedo played with MacAllister last season (who makes Enzo look like Makelele defensively) and it worked well. The way he's utilising these two is bordering on how Lamps made us believe Rudi and Christensen were duds.

Believe it or not I hate being this critical of a manager and I'll give anything to see something that gives me hope, i was one of the few still defending Potter somewhat at the very end because I actually thought he was starting to show something promising despite results taking a while to catch up.

And Enzo also played with MacAllister in the national team, and it worked well. Maybe we've got an unbalanced midfield and really need a proper DM to let Enzo and Caicedo play to their best abilities.

I was also one of the few (maybe it was just both of us) that did not want Potter to go when he was sacked. Since that Palace game at home, some patterns of play started showing and we would have got to safety much earlier than with Frank Lampard. For the same reason, I want Pochettino to be given the whole season. I've seen some very good football (the best since before the last few games under Tuchel) and also very crap football, but I understand that this season is going to be a rollercoaster due to inexperience and injuries, and I hope every week for that football we saw against the best teams in the PL when we looked very good.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Because they thought they were disrupting the industry with a new and innovative approach that couldn't fail ?

Arrogance I think they call it 🙂 

I don't think they were expecting to win the PL straightaway, but they definitely thought that what they were doing would secure a Top 4.

Pochettino was out of work and needed a job, and the Chelsea job is a plumb job even if we are on a temporarily downward trajectory.  Probably backed himself to be the difference maker, and has found out that it doesn't work because (a) we've had far too many injuries and (b) the level of the players is sub-optimal and worse than he was expecting.

Our recruitment people were at Brighton and Monaco. Chelsea is a big step up. Not surprised they took the job, but spotting football talent is a hard slog, very hit and miss, with way more misses than hits.  The talent pool appears to be at an all-time low as well, which is surprising given the amount of money sloshing about in modern football. Still early days I suppose. Is Eghbali a patient man ? We shall see ... 

Great post

1 hour ago, Argo said:

 

 

I have been saying this for quite some time. We need a manager that will save Enzo from himself like you pointed out and if that makes Enzo unhappy at the club it's still better than doing what we're doing now. Despite the injuries, there is no excuse not using the players that are there in the right way.

I thought that Potter should have stayed at least to the end of the season. by the end of his tenure, defensively we were pretty good, midfield we were very good, it all fell apart in the final 1/3rd. Enzo was fantastic, putting pin point and cheeky lofted passes through, for the attackers to totally f**k up. All this time Potter was struggling with an incredibly bloated squad, who he was trying to keep happy, and playing so as to keep their value up, ready for selling. Had he had the luxury of the deadwood being shifted out for him, his job would have been so much easier. Poch has had the deadwood shifted, and been given some very talented but raw young players, you can intergrate perhaps 2 at a time, and with seasoned pros around them they can flourish, and if things go awry, they can be rested and removed from the pressure. Unfortunatly he was given an entire team, without any seasoned pros to help out, and without the opertunity to withdraw them when needed. On top of that almost all of his preffered first team choices are injured. Carney started to do the job Nkunku was pencilled in for and things improved a lot, then he joins the injured list. It really pisses me off that the media have sympathy for Newcastle and Citeh and other teams for their injury problems, but all that matters with us is the billion spent, the fact we are missing about half the squad, isn't a problem because we spent a billiion. Until we have a settled squad with minimal injuries, nothing can really change. Over all we've bought well, at inflated prices, but the gamble is not working. We had a good promising pre season, until the injuries started to mount up. This means little or no competition for places, so performance drops off. We have to stick with Poch, because if anyone, and who is actually available, or would want it, came in, they would have the exact same problems Poch has. How to motivate players who cannot be dropped because there is no back up.

10 hours ago, RMH said:

And Enzo also played with MacAllister in the national team, and it worked well. Maybe we've got an unbalanced midfield and really need a proper DM to let Enzo and Caicedo play to their best abilities.

I was also one of the few (maybe it was just both of us) that did not want Potter to go when he was sacked. Since that Palace game at home, some patterns of play started showing and we would have got to safety much earlier than with Frank Lampard. For the same reason, I want Pochettino to be given the whole season. I've seen some very good football (the best since before the last few games under Tuchel) and also very crap football, but I understand that this season is going to be a rollercoaster due to inexperience and injuries, and I hope every week for that football we saw against the best teams in the PL when we looked very good.

Yeah but he's also using Conor in midfield as No  10 or something. No doubt when Nkunku comes back we may improve, although he has yet to ever kick a ball int he premier league and will be as rusty as sh**. But the more I see of Poch the less I like it. Along with Villa Boas he is quickly going down as the worst manager I've seen in my time watching Chelsea.

12 hours ago, RMH said:

Does that mean that Caicedo and Enzo can't work together? One is a passer and the other likes tiki-taka type of 1-2 touches to play forward and would play better with Kovacic. Is that what these social media hipsters mean?

It mean your need to put Enzo as DPL and caicedo as one two master. How do you do that? Very simple, just click their image, select new role. 

I see some of our fans are calling for the romantic reunion with Jose as manager and JT as assistant.

 

Much as the idea itself is lovely I just dont see Jose as someone who the ownership would turn to. He is not a yes man.

Again. Wild take. 

14 hours ago, RMH said:

And Enzo also played with MacAllister in the national team, and it worked well. Maybe we've got an unbalanced midfield and really need a proper DM to let Enzo and Caicedo play to their best abilities.

 

Argentina team got absolutely smashed by France team in the WC final by just playing direct. They will get murdered in PL. 

You can't look at just this two. You need to look at the whole team.