48 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Since 2010 Everton have beaten us 11 times out of 18 at Goodison. So you've spent a lot of time being livid in the last 13 years. 

And I think I'd have expected a draw or loss away to Wolves on Christmas eve in every season since 2010 too. 

Then unfortunately it seems like your standards are in the bin too which probably explains why you're able to let Poch's performance slide.

2 minutes ago, Remodez said:

With the amount of chances I’ve seen this team miss forgive me for not believing another manager would be doing much better than Poch has so far. 
 

The fact we have even got as far as two potential cup finals and a decent chance at getting 7th is a miracle by itself considering we are still very much a work in progress. 

We should be where Villa are. 

In reality, we will likely finish 10th as that has been the place we've spent the most this season. 

14 hours ago, axman2526 said:

They replaced Tuchel with Potter, then Lamps, now Poch. They are not looking for winners as managers

This is the summary of what Clearlake is about.

If it weren't they would realise they come to the right club with a totally wrong strategy.

Chelsea is a big club. All big clubs want access to the biggest games, tournaments, and players. The biggest players cost more, that's just the nature of the sports and on a larger scale life in general.

So the strategy to look for up and coming talents and shred the team to replace with £1m of nobodies speaks volumes. 

They could have bought a Brighton or Everton as used that strategy, not a big club like Chelsea.

Worst case, they could have infused talent and up and coming over say 5 years after the first three of gradually weeding out the chaff and replacing with big name players that can help to provide that competitive edge and give stability as we infused youth and talent into the team.

It's baffling and downright disrespectful to this club and its fans to approach things the way they've done.

14 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Then unfortunately it seems like your standards are in the bin too which probably explains why you're able to let Poch's performance slide.

Oh grow up. I'm not happy with Poch, but I have some sense of perspective. We lose to Everton away all the time, its a nightmare ground to go to for us. I bet you called for Ancelottis head when we won the league in 2010 too because we lost there then.

We've been on a good run of results, that's just a fact. Dec + Jan we won 5 games in the league, only Liverpool won more. Performances need to improve, we need to become more clinical, but sacking Poch when be any measure, the last 9 games were better than the previous 9, is ridiculous. 

13 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

At least after tonight we can all now see why he's been going with Colwill at left back ahead of Chilwell ... 🙂

That was a really dirty performance by Chilwell. So much for experience.

Edited February 1, 20242 yr by abister1

26 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We should be where Villa are. 

In reality, we will likely finish 10th as that has been the place we've spent the most this season. 

If we could finish that's where we would be. Changing managers doesn't solve the core problem. 

3 minutes ago, abister1 said:

That was a really dirty performance by Chilwell. So much for experience.

Silva and Sterling also had shockers. 

The experience argument is getting a bit overused. 

Just now, Remodez said:

If we could finish that's where we would be. Changing managers doesn't solve the core problem. 

We can finish? We've already outscored all of last seasons' goals, yet we are still no better off than last season. Still 10th. Still at 31 points after 22 games. 

Our issue is our tactical set up. It's clear as day. 

12 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

What will he achieve doing that though, managers have kicked off in the media before and it gets them nowhere. You either get mocked and ridiculed by the wider media or they agree but rebuff it because ‘Liverpool were the better team anyway’

He’d get a fine and a suspension and gain nothing but a few Twitter followers creaming that he’s ‘proper chels’ like when potter said ‘we’re gonna win the f**king champions league’.

And if anyone thinks there’s some fantasy world where we end up getting a decision or two to even it up, you’ve no chance. We’re mid table, mediocre and unimportant for now.

I do hear where you're coming from and maybe I'm too sentimental in this respect, but as bad as it is to hear the FA come out and say they made a mistake. I would still rather this happened and an inquest as to why the mistakes were made. Rather than our club just accepting it (no elite manager worth their salt takes these decisions without at least referring to it imo it shows Pochettino's lack of conviction where is the passion and fire for what is right and wrong if a grassroots coach can have it for a meaningless game why can't he?) I want to hear them either explain why the decision went against us or explain why it was a mistake.

 

11 hours ago, forbzy said:

I have to agree. For some reason I remember last January Wolves were totally shafted by reffing at Anfield, and Lopetegui was livid in his comments afterwards. Didn't do them any good at all. Other way around of course...

As vexing as it would be to hear yet again they made a mistake for me at least we as the fans don't have to be gaslighted then into believing 50/50 decisions (they're not actually 50/50 but for argument sake) that go against us but in favour of our opponent are negliengence or favoritism.

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We can finish? We've already outscored all of last seasons' goals, yet we are still no better off than last season. Still 10th. Still at 31 points after 22 games. 

Our issue is our tactical set up. It's clear as day. 

I'm not sure how you can type that with a straight face. I should hope we outscore our goals last season, we had 38 goals in the league last season which is a goal a game on average. Hardly difficult to be better than that. 

I agree Poch's tactics aren't ideal but I'm looking at it from the other perspective. If we can still create all these chances (I think we are 3rd in the league for chances made) while we are still struggling to adapt to his tactics then once it finally clicks or once players are removed/added we will be able to start competing again. 

Get him out.

25 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I'm not sure how you can type that with a straight face. I should hope we outscore our goals last season, we had 38 goals in the league last season which is a goal a game on average. Hardly difficult to be better than that. 

I agree Poch's tactics aren't ideal but I'm looking at it from the other perspective. If we can still create all these chances (I think we are 3rd in the league for chances made) while we are still struggling to adapt to his tactics then once it finally clicks or once players are removed/added we will be able to start competing again. 

We've managed to outscore our entire last season's goal tally in January and yet we are in the same exact position as last season. 

22/23: 22 games. 10th place. 31 points in the league. 1 goal differential. 

23/24:  22 games. 10th place. 31 points in the league. 1 goal differential. 

This only leads to the conclusion that we have improved our attack (which is true) but the same tactical issues are apparent. I find it incredible how 7 months into a season players are still struggling to adapt to a manager's tactics. I wouldn't also use the inexperience card as our most senior players have had absolute stinkers and have looked just as clueless as the young players. Our away form is dick and we can only count on one hand the matches where we won comfortably. 

The way our midfield has operated the past several months has me believing Lampard has returned to management. Shocking. 

Edited February 1, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

29 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Oh grow up. I'm not happy with Poch, but I have some sense of perspective. We lose to Everton away all the time, its a nightmare ground to go to for us. I bet you called for Ancelottis head when we won the league in 2010 too because we lost there then.

We've been on a good run of results, that's just a fact. Dec + Jan we won 5 games in the league, only Liverpool won more. Performances need to improve, we need to become more clinical, but sacking Poch when be any measure, the last 9 games were better than the previous 9, is ridiculous. 

No, you're nit picking to make excuses for Poch's failures, you're picking one specific game and ignoring the other rubbish we've watched this season. 
 

If a few home wins against teams in a relegation scrap is enough to keep you happy then I envy you because I don't have standards this low.

And to add on to the other side of the coin, Winstanley and Stewart need to go as well. Poch may be an average manager, but its clear as day our scouts are just as average. Either get rid or limit their responsibilities to offloading players.

The fact we are wanting to replace Thiago Silva with 20 year olds just leaves me to believe the club from top to bottom is so misaligned with reality. 

Edited February 1, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

28 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

No, you're nit picking to make excuses for Poch's failures, you're picking one specific game and ignoring the other rubbish we've watched this season. 
 

If a few home wins against teams in a relegation scrap is enough to keep you happy then I envy you because I don't have standards this low.

Okay but if you're standards are so high why do you want us to bring back a manager who left us in 16th, has won 2 out of 12 games against us since and has been repeatedly outcoached by even Frank in that time?

Edit: apologies got yo mixed up with @LongtimerLurker

Edited February 1, 20242 yr by Argo

12 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

And to add on to the other side of the coin, Winstanley and Stewart need to go as well. Poch may be an average manager, but its clear as day our scouts our just as average. The fact we are wanting to replace Thiago Silva with 20 year olds just leaves me to believe the club from top to bottom is so misaligned with reality. 

I'll be in the minority but I don't think that the majority of players we've recruited are bad players, I think 75% of them are decent with 25% not good enough. My understanding is Winstanley and Stewart have been told to recruit a team full of young promising players, which we have done, unfortunately the big oversight from Boehly and Egbhali (and whoever wanted this vision for the team) is that we needed some new ready made players to play alongside them.
 

My only hope is they've realised this and come summer we do make some signings that aren't just promising youngsters but players in a position to hit the ground running. Not to mention the appointment of a manager that's up to the job

Edited February 1, 20242 yr by timetowaste

19 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We've managed to outscore our entire last season's goal tally in January and yet we are in the same exact position as last season. 

22/23: 22 games. 10th place. 31 points in the league. 1 goal differential. 

23/24:  22 games. 10th place. 31 points in the league. 1 goal differential. 

This only leads to the conclusion that we have improved our attack (which is true) but the same tactical issues are apparent. I find it incredible how 7 months into a season players are still struggling to adapt to a manager's tactics. I wouldn't also use the inexperience card as our most senior players have had absolute stinkers and have looked just as clueless as the young players. Our away form is dick and we can only count on one hand the matches where we won comfortably. 

The way our midfield has operated the past several months has me believing Lampard has returned to management. Shocking. 

I would say we are creating more chances this season and scoring more goals. So, in that respect arguably more exciting to watch. But on the flip side we are conceding a lot more and look clueless defensively. Which explains why we are in almost exactly the same spot as last season. Unless we get lucky with some chronically injured players returning and staying fit, then I think the only way to resolve this will be further dives into the transfer market. Unfortunately I have little faith that our current decision makers will identify the right players there. Alternatively we can perhaps hope that Gilchrist and Humphreys get the chance longer term. But they will need some patience.

 

3 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'll be in the minority but I don't think that the majority of players we've recruited are bad players, I think 75% of them are decent with 25% not good enough. My understanding is Winstanley and Stewart have been told to recruit a team full of young promising players, which we have done, unfortunately the big oversight from Boehly and Egbhali (and whoever wanted this vision for the team) is that we needed some new ready made players to play alongside them.
 

My only hope is they've realised this and come summer we do make some signings that aren't just promising youngsters but players in a position to hit the ground running. Not to mention the appointment of a manager that's up to the job

Taking the optimistic viewpoint you could be right. It is too early to know if the likes of Andre Santos, Casadei, Angelo Gabriel, Kendry Paez etc will fulfill their potential. Problem seems to be that a large number of those players are not ready to play regularly for the first team yet. And many of those that were signed for immediate integration into the first team have either been poor, or unconvincing. Especially when the price is considered. I would say Gusto and Palmer have been the 2 obvious success stories so far. Nkunku looks good when he plays too, but needs more luck with injuries. Beyond that the jury is out. That is not to say Caicedo and Enzo for example are bad players. They just haven't shown anything yet to suggest they were worth anything close to what we paid.

34 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

No, you're nit picking to make excuses for Poch's failures, you're picking one specific game and ignoring the other rubbish we've watched this season. 
 

If a few home wins against teams in a relegation scrap is enough to keep you happy then I envy you because I don't have standards this low.

I'm not happy with Poch. I wasn't happy with his appointment. I think he should have gotten more out of our players. I'm with you that I don't think our recruitment has been poor (I do think we've overpaid though).

But sacking him because we lost away at Liverpool is nuts. 

Let's see how we do for the rest of the season. 

5 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'll be in the minority but I don't think that the majority of players we've recruited are bad players, I think 75% of them are decent with 25% not good enough. My understanding is Winstanley and Stewart have been told to recruit a team full of young promising players, which we have done, unfortunately the big oversight from Boehly and Egbhali (and whoever wanted this vision for the team) is that we needed some new ready made players to play alongside them.
 

My only hope is they've realised this and come summer we do make some signings that aren't just promising youngsters but players in a position to hit the ground running. Not to mention the appointment of a manager that's up to the job

It will always be on the ownership for me and not the players or the manager.

We are in a slump because we replaced the whole squad in such a short period for time. The business that we conducted should have been spread out over 2 to 3 seasons longer and we shouldn't have sold players because of an opportunity to do so. They are all losing together and are now used to losing together, there's not alot of players in this team that are used to winning trophies here anymore. You can't expect someone like Cole Palmer to drag us out of every game because he's young also.

I don't mind young players but Im not someone who believes they should be thrown in to the first team and get given more starts just because they are talented. They need to be eased without pressure and at this club there's alot of pressure to win and our young players are naturally feeling the pressure.

The project is and was naive and it needs to be turned on his head to help these young players develop. Enzo Fernandez is not going to learn and develop as a player with Colwill behind him and Caicedo along side him.

 

 

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

 

But sacking him because we lost away at Liverpool is nuts. 

 

No one is asking for him to be sacked because we lost away to Liverpool, its all the results mixed in with all the way weve played in games. Theres nothing to give me any optimism he knows what hes doing, hes constantly playing players out of position, now thats ok if it works...but it doesnt. We have no style or tactic as far as I can see, our marking at set pieces is utterly abysmal and non sensical. No player progress at all (regression in most cases). His game management is worrying, rarely do his subs have a positive impact or seem to fix any problems, hes just so lethargic and accepting on the sidelines and in interviews. Its just all so negative.

Where is Guus these days? 🤭

JK I'm not sure Pep himself could do much with this squad.

 

Reasonable thing to do is give him the end of the season at least, but like I mentioned by March we will all be begging for the season to end. 

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Reasonable thing to do is give him the end of the season at least, but like I mentioned by March we will all be begging for the season to end. 

Quite probably. Although I am holding hope that some of the key players like Nkunku/Carney/Gusto can stay fit. If so, we should be at least a bit better to watch.