2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

All our judgement on Palmer was poor tbf. His emergence and consistency has been remarkable. 
 

 

Speak for yourself I don’t make judgements on players we sign before they play for us. I’m just glad we’ve got to 40. 

9 hours ago, General said:

An elite manager could I’m certain get a tune out of this squad Poch inexperienced excuse is bollox. All of the players are internationals period. There is no need to change things on the pitch when there is a more pressing issue for the board that is the need for increased revenue generation 

What is an “elite manager” in present times? Jose, Tuchel, Sarri & Conte are all available in the summer but are they “elite” managers? Bayern, Barca, Liverpool  and potentially Utd are all after new managers in the summer but none of them are interested in those managers.

A section of our fan base is after the instant gratification associated with these managers ignoring the inevitable downfall that will happen in year 2.

A weird football day yesterday both Hammers and Fulham score 3 away yet don't win.

Utd think they have courtesy of a 90th min + goal from Mount only to concede even later.

Ten Hag questioned the players.

Talking of Utd will be good to see how we go against them as that is due soon, I'm curious to see if the players turn up for the big name games.

 

15 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I said the other day that this team really needed a spine of experienced players at the peak of their careers. Had the owners done that, I think we would have been in much better shape. An experienced striker, midfielder, defender that isn't 39 and maybe a goalkeeper too. They alone would have led the team to something better even if the coaching is terrible. 

As old as he maybe…take Silva out of the defence and this what you get, no marshalling of the defence and no experience to tell the young players where to be and now you’ve paid the price.

I think there must be a financial incentive to not sacking him mid season, can't see any other reason why he would even make it to the Man Utd game. I'm genuinely worried about next weekend away to Sheffield United, they're one of the worst teams in premier league history but they've got nothing to lose and Poch has us playing like a load of clowns.

24 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I think there must be a financial incentive to not sacking him mid season, can't see any other reason why he would even make it to the Man Utd game. I'm genuinely worried about next weekend away to Sheffield United, they're one of the worst teams in premier league history but they've got nothing to lose and Poch has us playing like a load of clowns.

Likely a clause that if he finishes outside top 4 then the compensation is drastically reduced. Once it's mathematically impossible chance of him getting sacked will increase.

Pochettino is just the fall guy at this point, for poor squad building. The only blame he takes aside from the coaching (which is still not good enough) is allowing it to happen. All the managers with a backbone (elite) were disregarded Enrique, Nagelsmann, Tuchel etc.

Why? Because they wouldn't tolerate the board selling their best players and replacing them with inexperience. The top managers have some control over recruitment, yet we're led to believe Pochettino is an elite manager despite what he allowed them to do to this squad. 

The warning signs were there from how late Pochettino took over, they brought him after they shipped out (Pulisic, RLC, Mount, Kovacic, Kanté, Azpilicueta, Ziyech, Lukaku, Aubameyang, Havertz, Koulibaly, Mendy, Hall, CHO etc.) The list does still go on, look at the experience he was fine with leaving. Even worse he mentioned the board did a good job. They actually tried gaslighted us into believing the previous playing staff were at fault for last season (12th place). Not the owners sacking Tuchel (a world class coach), hiring a severe downgrade in Potter and then sacking him too and bringing in Lampard for what the vibes?!

So we're left to guess that Poch didn't want to assess the squad (even if this was what they told him they would do no self respecting elite manager allows this level of overhaul without at least meeting with the squad first). What this tells me is the board is toxic and all of these players chose to jump ship before it capsized.

This can be the only logical conclusion if we are to give Pochettino the benefit of the doubt and believe he would have preferred to keep these players as he has often lemented the lack of experience.

Either way we probably won't ever know. But four things are certain the playing staff are not good enough and neither is the coaching staff. To add to this the board and the ownership are working against the club despite their best intentions they have effectively killed the competitiveness of the club for two seasons and most likely for the foreseeable future.

I would argue simply replacing Pochettino now won't necessarily improve the situation, as we have been calling for months now the sporting directors must be held responsible along with the owners. I can't imagine any top coach succeeding under these circumstances and believe me when I say based off how this ownership and board operate if we do sack Pochettino the odds we get a manager "statistically" better is low, they won't go for an elite manager to correct their mistakes they will look at the Eddie Howe's of the world and other lesser coaches who will not rock the boat and buy into their misguided vision.

Edited March 31, 20242 yr by LongtimerLurker

2 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Likely a clause that if he finishes outside top 4 then the compensation is drastically reduced. Once it's mathematically impossible chance of him getting sacked will increase.

April 20th can’t come quick enough then. 
 

The underlying metrics are in his favor, we ‘should’ be higher in the table but part of your job as a manager is extracting performance in all areas so you can only bemoan poor finishing/inexperience for so long before you have to start looking at your training methods/man management. And it is a results business at the end of the day. 39% win rate just isn’t good enough.

What officially put me off about him is the cowardice we saw in the Carabao final. That isn’t Chelsea. 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

What officially put me off about him is the cowardice we saw in the Carabao final. That isn’t Chelsea. 

That's why I compare him to Southgate - too cowardly to be a winner. Just crumbles under pressure. 

2 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Pochettino is just the fall guy at this point, for poor squad building. The only blame he takes aside from the coaching (which is still not good enough) is allowing it to happen. All the managers with a backbone (elite) were disregarded Enrique, Nagelsmann, Tuchel etc.

Why? Because they wouldn't tolerate the board selling their best players and replacing them with inexperience. The top managers have some control over recruitment, yet we're led to believe Pochettino is an elite manager despite what he allowed them to do to this squad. 

The warning signs were there from how late Pochettino took over, they brought him after they shipped out (Pulisic, RLC, Mount, Kovacic, Kanté, Azpilicueta, Ziyech, Lukaku, Aubameyang, Havertz, Koulibaly, Mendy, Hall, CHO etc.) The list does still go on, look at the experience he was fine with leaving. Even worse he mentioned the board did a good job. They actually tried gaslighted us into believing the previous playing staff were at fault for last season (12th place). Not the owners sacking Tuchel (a world class coach), hiring a severe downgrade in Potter and then sacking him too and bringing in Lampard for what the vibes?!

So we're left to guess that Poch didn't want to assess the squad (even if this was what they told him they would do no self respecting elite manager allows this level of overhaul without at least meeting with the squad first). What this tells me is the board is toxic and all of these players chose to jump ship before it capsized.

This can be the only logical conclusion if we are to give Pochettino the benefit of the doubt and believe he would have preferred to keep these players as he has often lemented the lack of experience.

Either way we probably won't ever know. But four things are certain the playing staff are not good enough and neither is the coaching staff. To add to this the board and the ownership are working against the club despite their best intentions they have effectively killed the competitiveness of the club for two seasons and most likely for the foreseeable future.

I would argue simply replacing Pochettino now won't necessarily improve the situation, as we have been calling for months now the sporting directors must be held responsible along with the owners. I can't imagine any top coach succeeding under these circumstances and believe me when I say based off how this ownership and board operate if we do sack Pochettino the odds we get a manager "statistically" better is low, they won't go for an elite manager to correct their mistakes they will look at the Eddie Howe's of the world and other lesser coaches who will not rock the boat and buy into their misguided vision.

Totally agree. While I share many frustrations that others have with Poch, the concern is that it will be same inept group that brings in the next manager. It will probably be either another "Yes" man like Southgate, or some unproven manager who is totally out of their depth. Assuming that we have to work within PSR restrictions, there will be few options for a new manager to strengthen the squad, and likely some outgoings. So, whoever comes in will have to work with the current squad at best. Maybe we get some more luck with the injury situation but that seems to be part of the current overall malaise at the club so I doubt it. If the players are happy with Poch, I can see the board deciding to stick with him for one more year to save on money.

I know a lot of people won't like the suggestion. But with Tuchel available in the summer, I really think we should give him another shot. He's the best manager we will be able to realistically get, who won't necessarily prefer other options.

Edited March 31, 20242 yr by Zeta

Just now, Zeta said:

I know a lot of people won't like the suggestion. But with Tuchel available in the summer, I really think we should give him another shot. He's the best manager we will be able to realistically get, who won't necessarily prefer other options.

You never know. But I just cannot imagine a situation where the owners will offer the olive branch and go back to Tuchel. In doing so they would have to admit they got one of their biggest decisions totally wrong.

4 minutes ago, Zeta said:

I know a lot of people won't like the suggestion. But with Tuchel available in the summer, I really think we should give him another shot. He's the best manager we will be able to realistically get, who won't necessarily prefer other options.

Tuchel's player recruitment / judgement is worse than a blind gay man in a titty bar. 

In one word, this is why I never want Tuchel back = Lukaku. 

you're welcome 

23 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Tuchel's player recruitment / judgement is worse than a blind gay man in a titty bar. 

In one word, this is why I never want Tuchel back = Lukaku. 

you're welcome 

Agreed on Lukaku. But managers no longer have any say on player recruitment at Chelsea so that weakness would not really have any bearing on the appointment.

2 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Agreed on Lukaku. But managers no longer have any say on player recruitment at Chelsea so that weakness would not really have any bearing on the appointment.

Why would a control freak like Tuchel want to work under this management company and not have a say? 

And it wasn't just Lukaku who has been a headache to clear off the books. 

Edited March 31, 20242 yr by olderschoolcfc

3 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Pochettino is just the fall guy at this point, for poor squad building. The only blame he takes aside from the coaching (which is still not good enough) is allowing it to happen. All the managers with a backbone (elite) were disregarded Enrique, Nagelsmann, Tuchel etc.

Why? Because they wouldn't tolerate the board selling their best players and replacing them with inexperience. The top managers have some control over recruitment, yet we're led to believe Pochettino is an elite manager despite what he allowed them to do to this squad. 

The warning signs were there from how late Pochettino took over, they brought him after they shipped out (Pulisic, RLC, Mount, Kovacic, Kanté, Azpilicueta, Ziyech, Lukaku, Aubameyang, Havertz, Koulibaly, Mendy, Hall, CHO etc.) The list does still go on, look at the experience he was fine with leaving. Even worse he mentioned the board did a good job. They actually tried gaslighted us into believing the previous playing staff were at fault for last season (12th place). Not the owners sacking Tuchel (a world class coach), hiring a severe downgrade in Potter and then sacking him too and bringing in Lampard for what the vibes?!

So we're left to guess that Poch didn't want to assess the squad (even if this was what they told him they would do no self respecting elite manager allows this level of overhaul without at least meeting with the squad first). What this tells me is the board is toxic and all of these players chose to jump ship before it capsized.

This can be the only logical conclusion if we are to give Pochettino the benefit of the doubt and believe he would have preferred to keep these players as he has often lemented the lack of experience.

Either way we probably won't ever know. But four things are certain the playing staff are not good enough and neither is the coaching staff. To add to this the board and the ownership are working against the club despite their best intentions they have effectively killed the competitiveness of the club for two seasons and most likely for the foreseeable future.

I would argue simply replacing Pochettino now won't necessarily improve the situation, as we have been calling for months now the sporting directors must be held responsible along with the owners. I can't imagine any top coach succeeding under these circumstances and believe me when I say based off how this ownership and board operate if we do sack Pochettino the odds we get a manager "statistically" better is low, they won't go for an elite manager to correct their mistakes they will look at the Eddie Howe's of the world and other lesser coaches who will not rock the boat and buy into their misguided vision.

We should of never rip and replace so quickly it was a stupid idea, granted a lot of fans was calling for it too.

1 hour ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Why would a control freak like Tuchel want to work under this management company and not have a say? 

And it wasn't just Lukaku who has been a headache to clear off the books. 

He probably wouldn't. I'd be shocked if he returned. When Poch is shown the door, the next manager they appoint will be somebody who is OK with the current structure. So I don't see much changing.

Amorim and De Zerbi are the only managers of the shortlist that would be Ok with this structure. 

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Amorim and De Zerbi are the only managers of the shortlist that would be Ok with this structure. 

Southgate will be happy with any structure. God help us all.

3 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Southgate will be happy with any structure. God help us all.

Just now, El regreso said:

This needs to be the header of our petition.

What the hell is with this Tuchel love in. He's a good manager but not great. The downfall started with him. Poor player recruitment whilst he was manager. After the losses to Leeds and Southampton, he basically said he doesn't know what to do to turn things around.

Give your heads a wobble. Tuchel is not the answer. What we need are better medical staff so that we can actually field our strongest 11 and we also need better recruitment, if we have enough money left to recruit without sanctions.

 

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

We should of never rip and replace so quickly it was a stupid idea, granted a lot of fans was calling for it too.

Ripping the squad was definitely the right thing to do in my opinion. We had a bunch of players that were not good enough and we got decent money for most. 

The problem is purely that the replacements were overpriced. Our owners should've accepted mid table results due to a weakened squad but to rebuild year on year with a plan of improvement.

Someone said Chelsea/Tuchel are like ex’s that both downgraded and put on 20 pounds. 

6 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Ripping the squad was definitely the right thing to do in my opinion. We had a bunch of players that were not good enough and we got decent money for most. 

The problem is purely that the replacements were overpriced. Our owners should've accepted mid table results due to a weakened squad but to rebuild year on year with a plan of improvement.

Show me an instance where rip and replace has worked? Some of the players we discarded are now playing weekly in two of the top three teams in the country.