1 minute ago, TheCeleryKing said:

We have some really great players. I mean we can all argue about which one's we prefer and which one's we don't like as much. But overall our players are all of a very high quality. But the way these players are used/played and the way this formation doesn't change and adapt and the way we keep playing this constipated Maresca football. It is really killing me.

Not sure i agree. Of the 16 players who festered today i would say Caciedo and James are the only top drawer players. Esteviao is still very young and you feel he will become quality, same with Acheampong.

The other 12? Largely mid table players with the occasional good game in their locker.

10 minutes ago, Caps_Lock_King said:

He will make out Josh was injured

Or tired

8 minutes ago, loz said:

Fully deserved win for Sunderland. 90 minutes of tapping the ball around sh*te by Chelsea with the likes of Pedro and Enzo f**king diabolical. How on earth Enzo gets 90 minutes playing that poorly is flabbergasting.

The only silver lining for the bald fraud is that he now gets willo the wisp Gusto back after his ban.

1 minute ago, 2211 said:

Or tired

He may have "felt something".

Edited October 25, 2025Oct 25 by Valerie

2 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

We have some really great players. I mean we can all argue about which one's we prefer and which one's we don't like as much. But overall our players are all of a very high quality. But the way these players are used/played and the way this formation doesn't change and adapt and the way we keep playing this constipated Maresca football. It is really killing me.

Do we really have great players though? Palmer & Caicedo yea, then Colwill, you could maybe say Estevao but he’s way too raw atm.

No matter who comes in, the recruitment has been poor, and it will come all the way back to the sporting directors yet again.

3 minutes ago, loz said:

Not sure i agree. Of the 16 players who festered today i would say Caciedo and James are the only top drawer players. Esteviao is still very young and you feel he will become quality, same with Acheampong.

The other 12? Largely mid table players with the occasional good game in their locker.

Forgot James, but yea, ultimately this.

Just now, WhiteWall said:

The only silver lining for the bald fraud is that he now gets willo the wisp Gusto back after his ban.

Gusto and Enzo. I think a DNA check is called for. There must be a famly relationship to the manager.

5 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Liverpool game was maybe the exception.

Even then, it took abandoning Maresca's sh*t slow football to force the win.

I'm still pissed we didn't go for Flick when he was available. He can be crazy but at least fun and excitement are guaranteed.

Even Reece James was strolling around today, there was nobody who wanted to up the tempo.

The fastest football of the day came from Sunderland whenever they broke on us.

Edited October 25, 2025Oct 25 by 2211

Is not acceptable to us but for Blueco he will be fine.

Big loss. We really need to be beating our Europa League rivals like Sunderland and Tottenham at home.

What a clown this manger is - it was obvious Pedro and Pedro were both having a bad day - so what's Maresca do ?

Takes off our goalscorer Garnacho and then Guiu - who'd had practically zero service all game!

When is this idiot going to stop playing his favorites and start picking a winning line up ?

And Enzo... I dunno... first name on the team sheet - why - what is it he does ?

Another 3 points down the drain for me because of Maresca.

Credit to Sunderland - came with a game plan and executed it to perfection.

What did Chelsea do - put on a team that shouldn't have lost ffs...

5 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Do we really have great players though? Palmer & Caicedo yea, then Colwill, you could maybe say Estevao but he’s way too raw atm.

No matter who comes in, the recruitment has been poor, and it will come all the way back to the sporting directors yet again.

I'd argue that despite our spending a lot of our best players are still from the academy - e.g. James, Colwill, Acheampong. Says it all about Clearlake really.

1 minute ago, Term_X said:

Do we really have great players though? Palmer & Caicedo yea, then Colwill, you could maybe say Estevao but he’s way too raw atm.

No matter who comes in, the recruitment has been poor, and it will come all the way back to the sporting directors yet again.

No we have good players. IF we had a proper experienced manager (with a vision and an ability to adapt tactically) that manager wouldn't be complaining about the quality of our youngsters. Our players are good. They are not being utilised properly. The shape of our team never changes and Maresca is out of ideas.

Like everyone, I’m addicted to supporting Chelsea and for most of my time it’s been a broadly happy addiction. But never have I felt this fed up and truly wished to God that I didn’t care and was into rugby or cricket instead.

It’s one thing not being very good. Been there and made the best of it. But this era is unbearable. It’s this constant taunting of we could be good, but we are not going to be.

But this is Chelsea now, a constant succession of next best teenagers, but never any players that are ready now or experienced. And that is why we will get the odd fluke like beating Liverpool or PSG, but the norm is draws and defeats to Fulham, Sunderland, Palace etc.

I don’t care what anyone says, we haven’t got a single good centre back out of the thrifty or so we have at the club.

😭😭

f**king hell, Acheampong was having the time of his life and got replaced by Tosin who managed to make himself look like a clown for Sunderland's second. Chalobah also stood there looking like a lamp post. Guiu and Joao Pedro stayed way too long on the pitch.

Maresca with a stinker here. What a frustrating afternoon.

14 minutes ago, loz said:

Not sure i agree. Of the 16 players who festered today i would say Caciedo and James are the only top drawer players. Esteviao is still very young and you feel he will become quality, same with Acheampong.

The other 12? Largely mid table players with the occasional good game in their locker.

I disagree. We have players who have won world cups, players who start for Ancelotti's Brazil, etc. These are young players - not mid-table players. They don't have experience and so they look to the manager - but alas our manager has no experience either and our manager doesn't have that many ideas either.

2 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

I disagree. We have players who have won world cups, players who start for Ancelotti's Brazil, etc. These are young players - not mid-table players. They don't have experience and so they look to the manager - but alas our manager has no experience either and our manager doesn't have that many ideas either.

Thing is our world cup winner is probably up there with Roque Junior and Kleberson as one of the worst players to ever win it.

1 minute ago, loz said:

Thing is our world cup winner is probably up there with Roque Junior and Kleberson as one of the worst players to ever win it.

I confess i actually like Enzo Fernandez as a player. He's not really suited to our formation and the way we currently play. But Little Enzo is a footballer. Good control and distribution imho.

2 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

I confess i actually like Enzo Fernandez as a player. He's not really suited to our formation and the way we currently play. But Little Enzo is a footballer. Good control and distribution imho.

Not in the Premier League. His control and distribution is often sh*t because he can't cope with the constant intensity of the league. In a hotter climate, he's fine, because teams can't play at this intensity for the whole game. I'm confident that Enzo will never be a top player in this league and will always have games like today where he can't contribute a single positive thing.

If Lavia had never had any injury issues, and if the club didn't have such a hard on for the Enzo, I am certain that Enzo would have been benched a long time ago.

Edited October 25, 2025Oct 25 by DarkMata

8 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Do we really have great players though? Palmer & Caicedo yea, then Colwill, you could maybe say Estevao but he’s way too raw atm.

No matter who comes in, the recruitment has been poor, and it will come all the way back to the sporting directors yet again.

3 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

I confess i actually like Enzo Fernandez as a player. He's not really suited to our formation and the way we currently play. But Little Enzo is a footballer. Good control and distribution imho.

6 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

I confess i actually like Enzo Fernandez as a player. He's not really suited to our formation and the way we currently play. But Little Enzo is a footballer. Good control and distribution imho.

Do we have 2 players called Enzo, because the one your talking about definitely isn't Enzo Fernandez.

What the hell was that I just watched? Endless passing at the back from side to side while Sunderland sat back waiting for us to lose the ball. Rinse and repeat. Was that our actual game plan? Jeezus. Maresca can look like a rank amateur at times.