12 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Goes without saying? But you're hoping he will be sacked in the Summer?

I'm hoping he does a better job than Maresca, that he's the perfect personality to gel with this team, improves players, puts them in their right positions, gets us into the latter stages of the CL, surprises Arsenal and gets us to the League Cup final - maybe even wins it.

And yes I do accept that a top manager could turn this squad into silverware contenders, mainly because this squad have two bits of silverwear at the moment 🙄

In truth I don't think any of us are hoping he will be sacked in the summer. However, regardless of the backing and even from the league position that we are now in, it would be extremely challenging for any manager to make top 4 within the constraints that Rosenior may well find himself in.

We are all hopeful that he unifies the team as well as the fanbase and brings the success that we all want but the odds are certainly against a manager with no top flight, high pressure experience

35 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

In truth I don't think any of us are hoping he will be sacked in the summer. However, regardless of the backing and even from the league position that we are now in, it would be extremely challenging for any manager to make top 4 within the constraints that Rosenior may well find himself in.

We are all hopeful that he unifies the team as well as the fanbase and brings the success that we all want but the odds are certainly against a manager with no top flight, high pressure experience

I think top 4/5 is still a reasonable target

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Maresca had input. Poch had input

There are levels of input, and whether that input is taken onboard.

With this squad we would also be comfortably top four if we hadn't of lost silly games i.e. Leeds, Sunderland.

Edited January 7Jan 7 by Malcolm9

According to Clinton Morrison though, speaking on BBC Radio Five Live, there is another reason why Rosenior is favourite to be appointed: “But I've said it many a times, you know what Chelsea want? And this is not being disrespectful. They want a yes man.

“They want someone to say, basically, these are the players we're signing. You do the coaching. We'll have a debrief after the game to speak about, not to tell you what team you should pick or what substitutions you should do, but basically. “ wouldn't be surprised if that was it actually”, replied journalist Luke Edwards.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Jackson scored 14 goals (18.5 xG) under Poch

Without any penalties too !

UEFA and Premier League to scrutinise Chelsea’s deal to replace Enzo Maresca with Liam Rosenior

Chelsea’s acquisition of Liam Rosenior to replace the outgoing Enzo Maresca will have been simplified by the existing BlueCo relationship, but not totally without complications.

Now that the drama of the hiring process has come to an end, we can shift focus to other questions, like just how much this mid-season personnel change is going to cost the Blues, and why the Premier League and UEFA will be keeping a close eye on the situation.

It’s not only about appeasing the two managers. Chelsea need to also abide by the separate sets of regulations imposed by the Premier League and by UEFA.

That is particularly crucial with regards to the European body, whose wrath Chelsea have felt as recently as two seasons ago.

Williams explains more: “We do know, however, that it will have to be a standard market rate to appease the Premier League’s Associated Party Transaction rules. UEFA will also adjust the value of the deal for FFP purposes if they suspect it doesn’t represent fair market value.

“We’ve seen them do this in the past, and I suspect Chelsea’s next set of accounts might detail a few adjustments of transfer values between themselves and Strasbourg. So there’s no room for jiggery-pokery, really.

16 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Without any penalties too !

Yes, 18npxg is basically what you expect from very good/elite st not named Haaland.

Looking at coaching contracts this century.

Claudio Ranieri 🇮🇹 = 2000-2007 (departed in May 2004)

1. (2000/2001) = Signs a 3-year deal.

2. (2001/2002)

3. (2002/2003) = Signs a new contract until 2007.

4. (2003/2004)

5. (2004/2005)

6. (2005/2006)

7. (2006/2007)

Jose Mourinho 🇵🇹 = 2004-2010 (departed in September 2007)

1. (2004/2005) = Signs a 3-year deal. Later signs a new 5-year deal in May 2005.

2. (2005/2006)

3. (2006/2007)

4. (2007/2008)

5. (2008/2009)

6. (2009/2010)

Avram Grant 🇮🇱 = 2007-2011 (departed in May 2008)

1. (2007/2008) = Initially named interim manager, and then signs a 4-year deal.

2. (2008/2009)

3. (2009/2010)

4. (2010/2011)

Luiz Felipe Scolari 🇧🇷 = 2008-2011 (departed in February 2009)

1. (2008/2009) = Signs a 3-year deal.

2. (2009/2010)

3. (2010/2011)

Carlo Ancelotti 🇮🇹 = 2009-2012 (departed in May 2011)

1. (2009/2010) = Signs a 3-year deal.

2. (2010/2011)

3. (2011/2012)

Andre Villas-Boas 🇵🇹 = 2011-2014 (departed in March 2012)

1. (2011/2012) = Signs a 3-year deal

2. (2012/2013)

3. (2013/2014)

Roberto Di Matteo 🇮🇹 = 2012-2014 (departed in November 2012)

1. (2011/2012) = Initially caretaker until the end of the season.

2. (2012/2013) = Signs a 2-year deal as permanent coach after CL success.

3. (2013/2014)

Jose Mourinho 🇵🇹 = 2013-2019 (departed in December 2015)

1. (2013/2014) = Signs a 4-year deal.

2. (2014/2015)

3. (2015/2016) = Signs a new 4-year deal until 2019.

4. (2016/2017)

5. (2017/2018)

6. (2018/2019)

Antonio Conte 🇮🇹 = 2016-2018 (departed in July 2018)

1. (2016/2017) = Signs a 3-year deal until 2019.

2. (2017/2018) = Signs a new deal in 07/2017 with improved terms, but until 2019.

3. (2018/2019)

Maurizio Sarri 🇮🇹 = 2018-2021 (departed in June 2019)

1. (2018/2019) = Signs a 3-year deal.

2. (2019/2020)

3. (2020/2021)

Frank Lampard 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 = 2019-2022 (departed in January 2021)

1. (2019/2020) = Signs a 3-year deal.

2. (2020/2021)

3. (2021/2022)

Thomas Tuchel 🇩🇪 = 2021-2024 (departed in September 2022)

1. (2020/2021) = Signs an 18-month contract with the option of an extra year.

2. (2021/2022) = Signs a new deal until 2024 after CL success.

3. (2022/2023)

4. (2023/2024)

Graham Potter 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 = 2022-2028 (departed in April 2023)

1. (2022/2023) = Signs a 5-year deal with an option of an extra year.

2. (2023/2024)

3. (2024/2025)

4. (2025/2026)

5. (2026/2027)

6. (2027/2028) = If the further year is triggered.

Mauricio Pochettino 🇦🇷 = 2023-2026 (departed in May 2024)

1. (2023/2024) = Signs a 2-year deal with an option of an extra year.

2. (2024/2025)

3. (2025/2026) = If the further year is triggered.

Enzo Maresca 🇮🇹 = 2024-2030 (departed in January 2026)

1. (2024/2025) = Signs a 5-year deal with an option of an extra year.

2. (2025/2026)

3. (2026/2027)

4. (2027/2028)

5. (2028/2029)

6. (2029/2030) = If the further year is triggered.

Liam Rosenior 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 = 2026-2032

1. (2025/2026) = Signs a 6.5-year deal until June 2032.

2. (2026/2027)

3. (2027/2028)

4. (2028/2029)

5. (2029/2030)

6. (2030/2031)

7. (2031/2032)

Blue = Coached the season out

Violet = Departed mid-season

Red = Didn't coach that season

Edited January 7Jan 7 by Jezz

1 hour ago, Malcolm9 said:

There are levels of input, and whether that input is taken onboard.

With this squad we would also be comfortably top four if we hadn't of lost silly games i.e. Leeds, Sunderland.

What input though?

By now everyone know what kind of player that we will sign regardless who our manager is.

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

In truth I don't think any of us are hoping he will be sacked in the summer. However, regardless of the backing and even from the league position that we are now in, it would be extremely challenging for any manager to make top 4 within the constraints that Rosenior may well find himself in.

We are all hopeful that he unifies the team as well as the fanbase and brings the success that we all want but the odds are certainly against a manager with no top flight, high pressure experience

Add to that often mid term managers are less successful as they miss that pre-season training. It happened to Potter and Lampard if memory serves correctly.

THIS IS BEHIND A PAYWALL IN DAILY MAIL

Liam Rosenior clearly fits the current obsession with the ‘bright young thing’ but here's why his reign in the white heat of Chelsea is doomed

It really is hard to recall a newly recruited manager being so grateful. So incredibly grateful that a big British football club has been willing to anoint him.

Liam Rosenior went back to Strasbourg, the club he was leaving, on Tuesday morning and staged an unusual press conference to expound on the honour of managing Chelsea. ‘I believe deeply in teamwork, unity, togetherness and working for one another, and those values will be at the heart of everything we do,’ he said in the press room, as if he were on to something.

He apparently wants to use his Chelsea press conferences to explain the reasoning behind certain tactics and help fans’ understanding of the game. Don’t bother asking men like Ferguson, Guardiola, Wenger or Klopp what they think of a concept like that. They would not have given their competitors the slightest hint, or the remotest satisfaction.

If there were a direct link between niceness and football trophies, then there would be an elementary logic to Chelsea handing a six-year contract to their 41-year-old new head coach.

There is not one, of course. The one-time serial winner who turned Chelsea into a trophy machine turned out to be one of the most deeply unpleasant individuals to have crossed the threshold of English football, but the fans who remember those Premier League titles in 2005, 2006 and 2015 really could not have cared less about Jose Mourinho’s conduct.

The winners in football are never the nice guys, and that’s why it is hard not to fear for Rosenior, a thoroughly decent individual who has exhibited some signs of coaching promise and apparently has a 450-page PowerPoint document detailing all his ‘learnings’ about management.

Some who have seen him at close quarters attest to his work as a broad-minded, inventive coach who makes it fun. Wayne Rooney’s success at Derby County came off the back of Rosenior doing the day-to-day coaching there. 

Rooney says he’s among the best coaches he has seen. That work got him the manager’s job at Hull. Some of the players who have bloomed under his tutelage at Strasbourg have caught the eye of Premier League sides. Crystal Palace scouted the Argentine striker Joaquin Panichelli. Everton have looked at right back Guela Doue. 

But succeeding below the radar at Strasbourg is an entirely different proposition to the glare of Chelsea when things start to veer off course.

The cult of the ‘bright young thing’ is a pattern of society, these days. It explains Manchester United’s catastrophic decision to hire Ruben Amorim and throw good money after bad with him. What’s so often missing are the older hands; the ones who on the challenging days can say, ‘Listen, son, think about it this way.’

Will players like Enzo Fernandez, a World Cup winner, Moises Caicedo and Cole Palmer, who has attitude, really listen when Rosenior, winner of nothing more than the 2003 Football League Trophy with Bristol City, wants to start instructing them? 

The youthful Chelsea dressing room will provide Rosenior with protection for a while but in time there will be characters and egos to tame. For that, you need pedigree, not potential. All the more so at hire-and-fire Chelsea, where there is never much patience and barely any time before the next managerial unfortunate is back in the Stamford Bridge revolving door.

Such considerations were missing as the on-trend managerial vocabulary, straight from the Amorim guide book, was being applied to Rosenior on Tuesday. ‘One of Europe's brightest young managers’ who is going ‘straight to the top’, the BBC said of him, quoting someone anonymous.

Some perspective would help. Rosenior took Hull City to a seventh-place finish in the Championship in 2024 with a win ratio of 34.6 per cent across 18 months, a lower mid-table benchmark. He took Strasbourg to a seventh-place finish in Ligue 1 last season with the third-biggest net spend in the division.

Winning – and the recruitment of serial winners – is no longer part of the calculation for Chelsea’s majority owners Clearlake Capital. The days of Roman Abramovich demanding success and recruiting the biggest guns in football management to deliver it are long gone.

These days, the coaches are expected to heed executive orders and be a cog in the over-populated wheel. Chelsea have two owners, two sporting directors - Paul Winstanley and Laurence Stewart - and a coterie of other execs in the so-called ‘integrated football leadership structure’. 

Graham Potter, the last Chelsea coach of Rosenior’s generation, believed he could survive in this structure by niceness and politely manage upwards. He lasted just under seven months.

In one of the many thoughtful football columns he has written, Rosenior reflected a few years back on the abuse and ridicule he had witnessed Slaven Bilic being subjected to one night, as he and his Brighton team-mates travelled to West Ham. He was struck by Bilic’s humility and courtesy but also imagined himself facing the same kind of furnace. ‘For the first time in my life, I questioned my own ambition to be a manager,’ he wrote.

Bilic's experience that night was a cakewalk compared with the white heat of Chelsea. We can only hope Rosenior is equipped and steeled to cope with the punishing challenges up ahead.

I don’t see the point in moaning and saying he won’t be a success before he’s even managed a game.

Can we give him 10 games before we start judging him?

I'm not doing all the fake "let's get behind the manager and support him".

I'll waste no time and cut to the chase, this is another bo**ocks appointment, and a lazy decision from the board who show little to no interest in the squad's development other than churning out profits.

Can't even be bothered anymore.

If only they would realise that the best way for a player to increase his valuation is to play well or even just do their part in a successful team.

Game time doesn’t do that alone. Players who couldn’t get into the successful city teams of late have moved on for profits because there’s no crime not being able to break into a very successful side.

Playing every week for a mid table team doesn’t necessarily make you worth more than someone who can’t get in Real Madrids team…..idiots.

22 hours ago, DarkMata said:

Le Bris got Lorient relegated from Ligue 1, but is doing a stellar job at Sunderland. Keith Andrews was a nobody 12 months ago but he has Brentford just a point behind us. There is hope is not a guaranteed failure.

Positivity? Away with you!

22 hours ago, terraloon said:

Emegha is said already to have agreed a deal

Before Emegha was suspended by the club for throwing a water bottle at the coach.

21 hours ago, Girish said:

I can't wrap my head around the fact that he's been given a 6 year contract.

With out clauses. The time span is effectively meaningless.

Interesting to hear this French guys opinion on Rosenior. Particularly agree with the guy on the panel when he says Palmer was more restricted under Enzo. He goes on to reply that Liam likes to give his attacking players more licence to express themselves. All the talk of more Enzo ball with Rosenior had me disappointed but this guy seems to think there's more flair and individuality to his teams. Which would be great to see especially with Palmer and Estevao. Alarm bells with the goalkeeper playing high though. If anything its not going to be boring watching us, just might not be in a good way.

2 hours ago, Victor90 said:

I'm not doing all the fake "let's get behind the manager and support him".

I'll waste no time and cut to the chase, this is another bo**ocks appointment, and a lazy decision from the board who show little to no interest in the squad's development other than churning out profits.

Can't even be bothered anymore.

Why is it fake, maybe some fans just want him to do well, or is that not allowed?

I don't think it's fake you are right we all want him to do well and the club to do well. However it is very frustrating for all of us and some wish to vent their disappointment at Blue Co and their operatives in key positions.

Earlier in this thread there's a Liam Rosenior quote that says something like .. it doesn't matter where we finish in the league it's how we play that matters, that's disappointing and from the blue co play book. It will be defended by saying it's taken out of context and that it was a long time ago, but it's not great from our point of view.

15 hours ago, axman2526 said:

"It is not about where you finish In the league but how your team plays"

Liam Rosenior

Here is the quote.

Set the bar low, real low.

Watched his first interview. He is a good talker and very articulate. But we need more than that so I won't get that excited about his skills in managing press conferences and interviews.

Ruben Amorim was probably the master communicator if I ever saw one in football in all my years following this sport. The way that clown managed to fool everybody in thinking he is a decent manager and had a single clue on what he was doing at United through his interviews for over a year is something that needs to he studied. Greatest talker that has managed an English club and at the same time the biggest buffoon that has ever managed in this league.

Football and its fans are fickle, he talks a good game about how he wants to play attacking football basically, if he delivers that and results people will get on side very quickly.