24 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Exactly the same as Havertz tbf. Had runs of form where he looked a proper attacker, including in big games (CL Semi and Final). Just not the sort of player who will give you consistency across 38 games in the league. Havertz makes no difference to Arsenal in the league.

Poor mans Havertz. Joao Pedro has managed 2 good games since he moved here and both were in the US.

7 hours ago, El regreso said:

We looked better under Maresca against Arsenal

You can't compare with the players we had out injured last night.

But if LR didn't know what a tough job he had on his hands, he'll have a better idea now. It wasn't that long ago we had a much better side and squad than Arsenal. Now, you would struggle to replace anyone in that Arsenal side with a CFC player and their bench was way stronger than ours. We really have spunked a whole load of money on some questionable quality players.

9 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Rosenior can f**k off. I'm not buying into all of this passion merchant "back the manager" sh*t. He's not even the manager, we don't have managers anymore. He's their puppet, and anybody stupid enough to back him doesn't even understand what it is they're backing. He's not here for Chelsea's best interest, he's here to do as he is told, same as Maresca until even he got sick of it.

Rosenior's talking and cheer leading on the pitch doesn't even come across authentic, it's try hard.

If you're backing this, you're not backing Chelsea, you're backing Clear Lake and their BlueCo project.

Have you considered maybe taking a break from football for a bit?

This absolute constant negativity must be draining. It's certainly draining to read.

I'm backing Liam until there's a need to feel otherwise. It seems insane to just have such a default opinion of hate towards every aspect of your football club.

23 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Have you considered maybe taking a break from football for a bit?

This absolute constant negativity must be draining. It's certainly draining to read.

I'm backing Liam until there's a need to feel otherwise. It seems insane to just have such a default opinion of hate towards every aspect of your football club.

No surprise at your post. The constant belief in the Clearlake methodology is equally laughable, and bordering on delusion .

You would back the appointment of Kim Kardishian if they made her the manager.

8 minutes ago, just said:

No surprise at your post. The constant belief in the Clearlake methodology is equally laughable, and bordering on delusion .

You would back the appointment of Kim Kardishian if they made her the manager.

I don't know about manager, but she's well qualified to replace the pair of tits we have as Sporting Directors ...

7 hours ago, Mod said:

No manager employed under Clownlake will achieve what Maresca did and win 2 trophies in a few months!

Bookmark this post and beat me with it if they do!

....they won't!

If we get in the conference league every season it wouldn't matter who's manager, we'd win it 9 out of 10 times.

🤣 🔫

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Zeta

48 minutes ago, just said:

No surprise at your post. The constant belief in the Clearlake methodology is equally laughable, and bordering on delusion .

You would back the appointment of Kim Kardishian if they made her the manager.

I don't back clearlake. I just don't think there's a need to absolutely slag off Liam Rosenior yet.

I think there's a lot worse managers they could have selected than Rosenior.

Iraola being one.

Yes there's better ones, although none of them would work with this board, but this is the hand we've been dealt. Rosenior seems a decent bloke, he's had a solid start to his coaching career and id like it if he did well.

29 minutes ago, Zeta said:

🤣 🔫

Liam after every loss

31 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I don't back clearlake. I just don't think there's a need to absolutely slag off Liam Rosenior yet.

I think there's a lot worse managers they could have selected than Rosenior.

Iraola being one.

Yes there's better ones, although none of them would work with this board, but this is the hand we've been dealt. Rosenior seems a decent bloke, he's had a solid start to his coaching career and id like it if he did well.

You really don't like Iraola, eh? To the point that you would tell us that he's worse than Potter if he was still our coach in the Championship.

5 hours ago, forbzy said:

Our defence has been pretty crap all season. So maybe the best option for Rosenior will be to improve our attacking play. That approach worked to a degree for Poch.

Was thinking about this last night.

The SDs have basically done nothing to improve the defence in two seasons - it is pretty much the same as it was under Poch. Similarly the midfield.

• Sanchez is still Sanchez at #1. We have Jorgensen and Slonina as #2/#3 instead of Petrovic and Bettinelli - a downgrade in both cases.

• The only change at full back is we now have 19 year old Hato as back up left back instead of Chilwell and Maatsen.

• At centre back we replaced Thiago Silva with Tosin. The only other change in personnel is Acheampong for Gilchrist as the academy graduate that doesn't play much

• In midfield, Essugo has replaced Ugochukwu as the Caicedo back up who never plays. Fernandez is still a shoe-in and still a problem in unbalancing the team. Andrey Santos has replaced Gallagher as the player that has to compete for Enzo's midfield spot, and we dispensed with Casadei and Chukwuemeka and didn't replace them. Lavia is injured in perpetuity.

Goal scoring wasn't a problem under Poch, but they have absolutely ripped the attackers apart - twice ! Only Cole is left from the players that Poch had at his disposal.

Make it make sense LOL

I couldn't watch the game last night but, if Rosenior is trying to play from the back after Maresca finally ditched it after months of trying, then he's really sh*t. Let's see what he comes up with against Brentford on Saturday, hopefully he learns that we are better when we our defenders don't play around the box. It is too soon to be negative but I have zero confidence in the appointments the SD and owners make.

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

🤣 🔫

Good Lord, he said that with full sincerity as well.

I know footballers are incredibly dumb on the whole, but surely not even your average player would listen to that and think 'wow, how profound'. I would really, really hope that they'd be thinking 'f**k me this guy is full of sh*t'.

A private equity bod on the other hand...

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

🤣 🔫

Someone send this to him

15 minutes ago, RMH said:

You really don't like Iraola, eh? To the point that you would tell us that he's worse than Potter if he was still our coach in the Championship.

I don't know what this means

Iraola has the same issues as Potter. Never coached at the top level. Been reliant on working in a club that is incredibly well run and has zero pressure.

Throw him into a big club and it's a huge gamble. Potter is worse because that gamble has already happened and can see he cannot cut it.

Rosenior has the same issues to an extent, but there was more pressure at Strasbourg than any club Potter (pre Chelsea) or Iraola have been at and at least he knows the club.

And he's not the person id have selected either. I would have gone and got a manager who could tell the SDs What's what and they would listen.

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

I don't know what this means

Iraola has the same issues as Potter. Never coached at the top level. Been reliant on working in a club that is incredibly well run and has zero pressure.

Throw him into a big club and it's a huge gamble. Potter is worse because that gamble has already happened and can see he cannot cut it.

Rosenior has the same issues to an extent, but there was more pressure at Strasbourg than any club Potter (pre Chelsea) or Iraola have been at and at least he knows the club.

And he's not the person id have selected either. I would have gone and got a manager who could tell the SDs What's what and they would listen.

It's the owners that would need to do the listening and that isn't ever going to happen, as Tuchel and Pochettino already discovered ...

"You're aging men" 🤣🤣

Watching us attempt to play out from the back yesterday certainly aged me but what kind of real life David Brent have we hired?

12 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Rosenior can f**k off. I'm not buying into all of this passion merchant "back the manager" sh*t. He's not even the manager, we don't have managers anymore. He's their puppet, and anybody stupid enough to back him doesn't even understand what it is they're backing. He's not here for Chelsea's best interest, he's here to do as he is told, same as Maresca until even he got sick of it.

Rosenior's talking and cheer leading on the pitch doesn't even come across authentic, it's try hard.

If you're backing this, you're not backing Chelsea, you're backing Clear Lake and their BlueCo project.

Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, you've said here is even remotely nuanced, well-structured, informative, or factual. You've written multiple incoherent paragraphs which essentially just collapses into you shouting like an entitled fool.

Take a breath, back the team, back the manager, try to enjoy some football, and perhaps even exercise a bit of patience.

17 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

It's the owners that would need to do the listening and that isn't ever going to happen, as Tuchel and Pochettino already discovered ...

Well one and the same, the owners probably listen to the SDs.

I might be wrong on that. They've certainly come across like they know things better than everyone else and then done nothing to prove it. E.g. our finances.

Edited January 15Jan 15 by bisright1

Just now, venom2011 said:

Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, you've said here is even remotely nuanced, well-structured, informative, or factual. You've written multiple incoherent paragraphs which essentially just collapses into you shouting like an entitled fool.

Take a breath, back the team, back the manager, try to enjoy some football, and perhaps even exercise a bit of patience.

More meaningless pseudo-intellectual word salad from you ... and the usual attempt to pass yourself off as some sort of superior being while looking down your nose at other posters ... getting really tiresome now.

If posters on here were players you'd be Enzo Fernandez.

Onto the "ignore" list you go anyway ...

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I don't back clearlake. I just don't think there's a need to absolutely slag off Liam Rosenior yet.

I think there's a lot worse managers they could have selected than Rosenior.

Iraola being one.

Yes there's better ones, although none of them would work with this board, but this is the hand we've been dealt. Rosenior seems a decent bloke, he's had a solid start to his coaching career and id like it if he did well.

He's out of his depth and he's been installed with a very narrow brief and has to defer to others re the use of squad members if medical or strategic matters are more pressing.

His experience is wafer thin. and he likes to talk a lot, seems insecure and nervous.

He's a Blue co. man until he challenges them sadly at that point he will both gain respect and be fired.

3 hours ago, timetowaste said:

If we get in the conference league every season it wouldn't matter who's manager, we'd win it 9 out of 10 times.

I highly doubt we win that again under Clownlake! Rosenior isn’t even good enough for Hull City!

15 hours ago, Zeta said:

So, basically we're back to before Maresca finally realised this team can't play out from the back and bait the press. So, he's done no research on previous matches, either that or he's just one of these "this is my system, we play like this" guys. Going to concede a lot of stupid goals again.

Everyone at the club knows that we can't play out from the back

To insist we do it against Arsenal of all teams in the semi final is ridiculous.

39 minutes ago, OTL said:

He's out of his depth and he's been installed with a very narrow brief and has to defer to others re the use of squad members if medical or strategic matters are more pressing.

His experience is wafer thin. and he likes to talk a lot, seems insecure and nervous.

He's a Blue co. man until he challenges them sadly at that point he will both gain respect and be fired.

The problem is the vitriol on here from some members about him is so over the top and deranged it makes me feel like I have to back him.

Someone said they hope he's sacked in the summer. There's a genuine desire for him to fail.

Im concerned on some of his ideas, I don't like playing out from the back against top teams with our current line up. It's principles over evidence. Our players have the ability to win the ball and press, we don't have the ability to move the ball quickly in the back line. We do not have the time this season to coach players to be better.

But I want him to succeed. I would be delighted if he succeeded within the blueco model. Id rather see us win a trophy this season than see him fail.

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, you've said here is even remotely nuanced, well-structured, informative, or factual. You've written multiple incoherent paragraphs which essentially just collapses into you shouting like an entitled fool.

Take a breath, back the team, back the manager, try to enjoy some football, and perhaps even exercise a bit of patience.

I can't see anything that's "incoherent"

Being passionate is something that you obviously don't understand.