I guess he does make the point that either way, whether intentionally poor or not Fabregas' terrible performances have been part of the reason that Jose lost his job.

I don't think it was intentionally after all Jose kept picking him despite him not deserving to be in the team

There were others just as bad Hazard, Ivanovic, Matic etc who continued to be picked aswell. Even Fabregas got dropped for certain games like those but they all were playing when they shouldn't have been. I don't see why Fabregas should be singled out.

There were others just as bad Hazard, Ivanovic, Matic etc who continued to be picked aswell. Even Fabregas got dropped for certain games like those but they all were playing when they shouldn't have been. I don't see why Fabregas should be singled out.

 

Let's be real here. Cesc was singled out because people are thinking he is le voyeur's secret agent. I just hope that bit of speculation is false, but his performances stated otherwise.

Didn't like the Fabregas boos. Unless we are sure of shady/Judas type behaviour, should fans be doing that?

Like others have said, Mourinho seemed to hold Fabregas in very high regard as a player and as a professional. He stuck by him and Fabregas had been publically supportive of Jose.

It's his Arsenal past that is getting him the harsh treatment, I feel.

Let's be real here. Cesc was singled out because people are thinking he is le voyeur's secret agent. I just hope that bit of speculation is false, but his performances stated otherwise.

But so dd others performances, do people honestly believe that he would be a secret agent for Wenger? Come on, no one was saying anything when he was getting assist after assist last season. The criticsms about his performances are fair butto say he's the so called rate who supposedly said something we don't even know was said is ridiculous, especially given Jose continued to play him and he backed Jose more than once (as did his wife).

Exactly, tbh I find it funny how people are quick yo believe the media stories that fit in with their theories but are happy to dismiss others.

This exactly. Alot of people claiming media talk of him losing the dressing was bullsh*t. Now he has been sacked the same people are using the same stories to vilify the players.

But so dd others performances, do people honestly believe that he would be a secret agent for Wenger? Come on, no one was saying anything when he was getting assist after assist last season. The criticsms about his performances are fair butto say he's the so called rate who supposedly said something we don't even know was said is ridiculous, especially given Jose continued to play him and he backed Jose more than once (as did his wife).

 

Personally I don't believe it, but I can see where/how the speculation is developed.

Disappointed he get booed.

I would like him to be sold but I would never boo a Chelsea player. Is different us pointing fingers at them here, but booing at the bridge is low imo.

there's a reason why jose always picked him and ivan despite their form except for the last couple of games where cesc's dropped

i think in the interview after the southampton game jose said he always picked them because they're mentally strong unlike other players

 

but again we don't know if these reports about what goes behind the scene in all this mess true or not, but turning on our players certainly not doing us any good

Pat Nevin ‏@PatNevin  3h3 hours ago

NB Cfc fans. The story re Cesc is wrong! He was NOT the player saying he wouldn't play for JM. What I said on R4 was misconstrued totally.

Pat Nevin ‏@PatNevin 3h3 hours ago

NB Cfc fans. The story re Cesc is wrong! He was NOT the player saying he wouldn't play for JM. What I said on R4 was misconstrued totally.

Meh Cesc will get slaughtered regardless

Mob mentality

For what it's worth and just to add to the sh*t-storm of rumours according to Mat Law in The Telegraph Jose himself didn't believe Fabregas was 'a rat'. (incidentally that phrase was supposed to have been directed at NON playing staff who Jose believed were leaking info).

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/12060568/Chelsea-news-Jose-Mourinho-and-Cesc-Fabregas-were-allies-not-enemies.html

Jose was paranoid at Madrid about leaks. Seems to be a common thing with him.

Meh Cesc will get slaughtered regardless

Mob mentality

 

Why let the truth interfere with a good boo

I like Cesc even though his performances this season have been awful.

 

I used to hate the guy at Barca and Arsenal but I really like him. Replied to my snapchat earlier as well

Meh Cesc will get slaughtered regardless

Mob mentality

Just goes to show it was exactly what I said it was. Also makes me laugh people were acting like he was naming him on purpose but not saying it's him, well now he's said its wrong what does everyone think?

Just goes to show it was exactly what I said it was. Also makes me laugh people were acting like he was naming him on purpose but not saying it's him, well now he's said its wrong what does everyone think?

It's like he said, she said, then folk take sides and it's a matter of who's the best actor, or the most comfortable liar.

It's like he said, she said, then folk take sides and it's a matter of who's the best actor, or the most comfortable liar.

But again it was a situation where even reading what Nevin said he wasn't accusing him and there has been way more actual evidence of Cesc backing Jose than been a so called rat. I get what you're saying though.

But again it was a situation where even reading what Nevin said he wasn't accusing him and there has been way more actual evidence of Cesc backing Jose than been a so called rat. I get what you're saying though.

Wasn't criticising your post, I'm just aghast at the nonsense throughout threads when there is very little fact, feels like silly season, where's the football in this eh? It's confusing this ol' fella.

Wasn't criticising your post, I'm just aghast at the nonsense throughout threads when there is very little fact, feels like silly season, where's the football in this eh? It's confusing this ol' fella.

I know mate. I know this place has been awful lately.

Pat Nevin ‏@PatNevin  3h3 hours ago

NB Cfc fans. The story re Cesc is wrong! He was NOT the player saying he wouldn't play for JM. What I said on R4 was misconstrued totally.[/quote

OK apologies I was as guilty of taking what Nevin said and reading into it more.

So after all the booing it wasnt him...and are the fans going to apologise to him

Compulsory magic hats on the head of every Fabregas booer, I say.

When he went off on the weekend, he covered the most yards out of all the players, not too bad of an effort. The thing is Fabregas is if the opposition doesn't press him hard, he looked reasonable player. I was surprised Sunderland didn't press us hard until 3 goals down. 

For what it's worth and just to add to the sh*t-storm of rumours according to Mat Law in The Telegraph Jose himself didn't believe Fabregas was 'a rat'. (incidentally that phrase was supposed to have been directed at NON playing staff who Jose believed were leaking info).

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/12060568/Chelsea-news-Jose-Mourinho-and-Cesc-Fabregas-were-allies-not-enemies.html

Yes, but in order for a betrayal to be successul the victim usually has to be unaware(or unable to prove at a minimum) that said person is betraying them.

I'm not going to comment on Cesc in the dressing room, none of us are privy and thus hearsay at best as many have mentioned.

I will point out what we are privy to, however. His on field performances. Yes he was poor and so too most of the team. Not my main issue.

What is, is how Cesc made it clear for anyone who cared to even take a cursory look to see that he just didnt care. Was not invested in the teams performance. This has been mentioned many times but its a clear contrast between Ivanovic's terrible form and Fabregas's terrible (hmm, indifferent perhaps a better word?) form. Once cared, one did not.

So wether he betrayed Mourinho in the dressing room is of little consequence to me as I felt betrayed by Fabregas most games he played.

And if you subscribe to the theory that actions speak louder than words. That we use our tongues to lie but our actions to reveal our true intetnions, then its a good chance you feel Fabregas betrayed Mourinho regardless of his soundbites. Oh, and betrayed anyone else who has a stake in the performance of this team.

but as mentioned, not commenting on what Fabregas has said to anyone, just on how he has carried himself on the pitch when representing this club.

there are some dangerously unhinged views being aired at the moment.

 

"fabregas is a secret agent for wenger. obviously part of the masterplan was to win the title first... playing the long game, ol' agent cesc. it is what jose would least have expected!"

 

"hazard sat next to someone on a bus. jfk was killed on a bus. well, a car. but that is basically the same thing. coincidence? clearly not"

 

"that doctor was a slut. well, I say a slut, but what I mean is she's female. so really we're splitting hairs. lets cast aspersions about her personal life with literally no evidence having spent the previous two years tossing ourselves off over screengrabs of her doing her job. the slut. you can see she wants it, coquettishly parading that PHD around"

 

"I WAS PERSONALLY BETRAYED BY THE PLAYERS. I spent the entirety of last season telling them to individually and collectively f*ck off on their way to winning the title and THIS is how they repay me? what a bunch of entitled c*nts. get rid of them and bring me new players to support!"

 

"that f*cking doctor. she'll be on celeb big brother next no doubt. the absolute temerity to even consider legal action against a multi-million pound corporate business. the whore"

 

"emenalo offered to resign when jose was appointed. he did this in an attempt to...errr.... stay at the club and undermine the manager? yes. he knew that if he left the club he could be more dangerous. perhaps hide behind the bins and throw a shaken can of tizer ice at him when he goes to collect the morning papers"

 

"well while it would be irresponsible to comment on cesc in the dressing room, I did see him play badly. AND I did see that tim roth show about body language. well, I saw the adverts for it. well, I say saw. they were radio adverts. but I think its fair to say I got the gist. anyway, cesc is a liar and my body language expertise tells us he doesn't care. but I'm not quite brave enough to admit my irrationality or bias so I'm going to couch this comment with the vapour of 'balance' as if that is the same as having actually taken a moment to think clearly for even a second."

 

"emenalo. he sold the players jose didn't want and bought the ones he did. then sold those ones after they didn't get a game. but he once coached a girls team and he didn't sign pogba. that'll explain things"

 

 

 

f*cking hell. the absolute tinfoil hat mentality that has emerged here. and yet people would be so lacking in self awareness as to look at RAWK and laugh at the mawkish wallowing and conspiracy theories they engage in. not one person has explained WHY the players would betray him. what reason they would have for damaging their own careers in this way. it is such a ridiculous notion. 

 

I accept everyone is grieving and we all feel hollowed out but get a hold of yourselves a little eh? I thought the theory of everything was overrated but jesus christ these theories of nothing really really are taking the biscuit.