People saying willian knows the system etc.... if you watch he is as lazy as alonso, he loses the balls he throws his hands in the air, he doesnt press like he used to, he just doesnt do anything

3 hours ago, brownindian said:

I sort of agree with the board on this one:

- We are in the middle of the season fighting for a top 4 spot.

- Sarri plays a system which needs to be thought. Willian has learnt his role and his playing to it - sure, his goals are a letdown, but there are other things he is doing.

- We have 4 wingers in Willian, Pedro, Hazard and CHO. Of this CHO has contract issues, Pedro is coming from injury. Hazard and Willian are the only 2 consistent wingers we are playing with. 

If the season had ended I would be crying about us not accepting the cash, but at this junction when we are already down a striker position, I would not want to destabilize the left wing position. 

William may have learnt his role in sarri's system, problem is he ain't playing it very well!!!!

To all the people stupid enough to believe Barca would offer that much for Willian, some quotes from a barca forum. These are from the reports Chelsea "rejected" the fake offer

 

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Dodge the bullet.

 

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Other than him being a workhorse and having some decent technical ability here's nothing to him that suggests that we should have paid over the odds for him during the summer. 

He's the perfect example of a player who can create an illusion that he's something special one game and be useless in the next following games.

 

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We dodged a bazooka.

 

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We didn't dodge anything, if we bid on him it was 100% corruption/self sabotage. The guys always been sh*t, genuinely don't understand where the hype comes from. He has 2 good games a year at best that's it

 

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/2867-Willian/page87

 

We should give Alonso for free with Willian

28 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

To all the people stupid enough to believe Barca would offer that much for Willian, some quotes from a barca forum. These are from the reports Chelsea "rejected" the fake offer

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/2867-Willian/page87

 

How are quotes from the Barca forum supposed to prove or disprove the rumour? These are just views of the fans from the internet forum, they don't really know what's going on, just like us.

Edited January 11, 20197 yr by abramovich

I think this is just some Spurs fan at the Telegraph still grieving about the "one that got away"(!) and now every transfer window published this tripe to get us all pi$4ed off and worked up.

...and its bloody working

So everyone wants us to stop buying the wrong players, yet now your complaining because we dont want to sign the wrong player as part of the swap, just because you want rid of willian?

I'd assume we're not interested in Malcom as part of any potential deal. 

If we're hoping to keep hold of CHO, with Pulisic arriving in the summer and Pedro having signed a contract extension we're not in need of bringing in more wingers. 

Straight cash deal is what we need. 

Get a striker in this month and use Hazard, Pedro, CHO on the wings for the remainder of the season with RLC providing additional cover there is needed. Sarri's already used Emerson out wide a couple of times recently too which could also be an option if required. 

SELL, SELL, SELL! 

9 hours ago, PimpThanos said:

30 year old sh*thouse named Willian.

and honestly ive had enough

Yep, really good support, abusing your own like that.

And thank f**k you in particular have "had enough".  Now, off you f**k, go "support" the pikeys or Fulham or Citeh, or whatever.  Not really the sort that Chelsea need nor want.

 

Edited January 11, 20197 yr by yorkleyblue

I have mixed feelings about Willian. He strikes me as a player who frequently  frustrates fans but is also someone people tend to underrate when he's there and come to appreciate what he brings when he's already gone. It's like being disgusted with Diego Costa going on a mental vacation halfway through the season and then a few years later realizing that half a season of Costa is still much better than a full season of Morata.

There's no question that his stats are not great, I'd want my winger to create and score a bit more, although his scoring numbers last three seasons aren't bad. But let's imagine this interest from Barca is real. Does Barcelona scouting department know less about football than Shed End forum posters do? Why would they want him? There must be a reason why every Chelsea manager from Jose to Sarri kept playing him quite regularly.

I'm not against selling Willian and due to the age factor it may be the way to go, but getting rid of him only makes sense if we replace him with someone better, not just younger. Is Malcolm that good? I don't really know much about him.

 

Edited January 11, 20197 yr by abramovich

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

Yep, really good support, abusing your own like that.

And thank f**k you in particular have "had enough".  Now, off you f**k, go "support" the pikeys or Fulham or Citeh, or whatever.  Not really the sort that Chelsea need nor want.

 

I'm pretty sure he's the reincarnation of this (banned) idiot. The level of stupidity and posting style is identical:

https://www.theshedend.com/profile/15423-jjp/

Well spotted @bluedave  They do slither back in, but usually can't avoid embarrassing themselves :)

 

I'll probably get flamed for this by the usual suspects but fwiw I think the problem with Willian under Sarri is that he isn't a natural forward, he's an attacking midfielder. Because of this he doesn't have the instinct to make intelligent forward runs to stretch the play. Spurs was a good example of this, he often came deep to collect the ball but rarely would spin in behind to exploit the space behind. To my eyes he longer seems to have the energy that perhaps someone like Lozano would add to the team.

No question about his ability with the ball, I'm just no longer convinced he's a good fit for Sarri's positional game.

Edited January 11, 20197 yr by the special one

44 minutes ago, abramovich said:

But let's imagine this interest from Barca is real. Does Barcelona scouting department know less about football than Shed End forum posters do?

This would be the same Barca scouting department that signed Malcom for £35m and is now 6 months later trying to get rid of him by including him in a part exchange deal? 

Same Barca scouts who dropped £140m on Courtinho who 12 months later isn't in their starting XI? 

Maybe these Barca scouts don't know as much about Brazilian footballers as they'd like to think?

Unbelievable some of you......the same ones that refuse to believe this just might be true were also the ones that refused to contemplate barca made a good offer in the summer. So now they are back with an even better offer and you still reject it as bs rumour? Im not surprsed one bit we rejected it if its indeed legit, we will never ever get anything close to this again.

4 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

This would be the same Barca scouting department that signed Malcom for £35m and is now 6 months later trying to get rid of him by including him in a part exchange deal? 

Same Barca scouts who dropped £140m on Courtinho who 12 months later isn't in their starting XI? 

Maybe these Barca scouts don't know as much about Brazilian footballers as they'd like to think?

All clubs make mistakes in the transfer market, Barca are no exception. Malcolm's fee is a pocket change nowadays and Coutinho's ridiculous deal was brought upon by them trying to appease the fans in the wake of Neymar's departure to PSG. My point still stands, each CFC manager since Willian's arrival used him as a starter, there was a strong rumour of Mourinho asking for him while at United and now this Barca interest. He's a better player than his critics give him credit for, even though I agree that at this point of his carreer we should be aiming for an upgrade.

17 minutes ago, the special one said:

I'll probably get flamed for this by the usual suspects but fwiw I think the problem with Willian under Sarri is that he isn't a natural forward, he's an attacking midfielder.

I don't think you should get flamed for that, I think you have hit the nail exactly on the head.  He's listed on some website I quoted the other day as "attacking midfield".  The problem in here is that the majority don't understand that, so abuse him for not scoring so much as they want or expect.  He has ALWAYS been an attacking midfielder, and that was how he played against us in Europe which led to us buying him in the first place.  He's never been a great goalscorer, but is abused now for having "no end product".

I agree with some people, we could do with an upgrade on him now, but he is nowhere near as bad as people in here like to make out, and I agree with @abramovich above, he is a much better player than his critics give him credit for.

8 minutes ago, abramovich said:

All clubs make mistakes in the transfer market, Barca are no exception. Malcolm's fee is a pocket change nowadays and Coutinho's ridiculous deal was brought upon by them trying to appease the fans in the wake of Neymar's departure to PSG. My point still stands, each CFC manager since Willian's arrival used him as a starter, there was a strong rumour of Mourinho asking for him while at United and now this Barca interest. He's a better player than his critics give him credit for, even though I agree that at this point of his carreer we should be aiming for an upgrade.

He has been a very good player for us no doubt.......but when its time its time. Its a win win all around.

 

27 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

He has ALWAYS been an attacking midfielder, and that was how he played against us in Europe which led to us buying him in the first place.  He's never been a great goalscorer, but is abused now for having "no end product".

Surely you need to deliver goals and assists as an attacking midfielder though?

I like Willian though, he's been a great servant to the club and always been hardworking and done his best for the team but he's going on 31 now and this season he's not been up to the required standard.

His best ever Chelsea-game came against Barcelona at home in february, he was insane that night and i am sure that plays a big part in why Barcelona wants him.

Edited January 11, 20197 yr by Sindre

40 minutes ago, abramovich said:

All clubs make mistakes in the transfer market, Barca are no exception. Malcolm's fee is a pocket change nowadays and Coutinho's ridiculous deal was brought upon by them trying to appease the fans in the wake of Neymar's departure to PSG. My point still stands, each CFC manager since Willian's arrival used him as a starter, there was a strong rumour of Mourinho asking for him while at United and now this Barca interest. He's a better player than his critics give him credit for, even though I agree that at this point of his carreer we should be aiming for an upgrade.

To be honest I want us to sell him to Barca if we can because I think it will give us a chance to play CHO until the end of the season which might hopefully convince him to stay.

In his limited playing time CHO has looked dangerous and exciting in possession and to me, an upgrade on what Willian has been producing.

I don’t want Malcom in exchange. We’ve got Pulisic coming in the summer so we’re not going to be short on numbers if CHO stays.

I don’t like Willian in our team, I don’t think he delivers on the most important parts of being an attacking midfielder and on a personal level I still haven’t forgiven his attitude at the end of last season and the covering up of Conte following the FA Cup win.

If Barca offer us a decent cash deal, anything around £40m I think we should take it. It’s a great opportunity to cash in on a player whose departure won’t be that missed in the first team.

It really is a shame we can’t have Barcelona performance Willian all the time. He was so so good.

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

only makes sense if we replace him with someone better, not just younger. Is Malcolm that good? 

Here's the thing on that. 

That guy is on the Chelsea team already, and he's about to leave because of lack of opportunity.

You can't convince me we'd be any worse off in the table with Hudson-Odoi getting Willian's minutes this year. And likewise you can't convince me that Hudson-Odoi wouldn't have already signed an extension if he had gotten Willian's minutes this year. 

The only thing i care about Malcom in this deal is what is his sell on value. 20? 30?

So 40M for Willian to help sink into a striker, Hudson-Odoi resigns and freshens up the right wing with Pedro as impact sub.

It sounds like Chelsea is open to the move, they just want Barcelona to sell Malcom to fund the 50M move. I get that. But getting a young sellable asset and cash for Willian, while getting Hudson-Odoi a lot more time looks so much more appealing to me than another 6 months of Willian and Hudson-Odoi definitely leaving. 

 

 

1 hour ago, the special one said:

I'll probably get flamed for this by the usual suspects but fwiw I think the problem with Willian under Sarri is that he isn't a natural forward

I agree with you. I've said somewhere in one of these threads that I think his best position might actually be LCM. Forget going forward, he's terrible at it... but what he can do is put in a tackle, dribble out of tight spaces and link up play in tight areas. If we're worried about goals and assists, he's not going to be any worse than Kovacic in that spot, and it would free up one of the wingers for someone that possesses a threat going forward. 

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

My point still stands, each CFC manager since Willian's arrival used him as a starter

For the most part, Conte didn't... and he got the best performance out of WIllian in his entire career as an impact sub. And we all saw how Willian reacted... shameful.