I think kenedy has been unlucky to get shoehorned into the left wing back role. 

He came to the club as a forward, but I don't think he has played more than 2 or 3 times there, it must be difficult to move to a new country, and try to impress in an unfamiliar role, with limited opportunities. 

It's like us signing richalison, and giving him the odd run out at right wing back. Kenedy had the ability to make a similar impact, but I feel he came to us too soon.

I find it pretty astonishing he has been linked with bayern and psg today, he has potential, but he has alot to work on. 

I think either a loan or sale with a buy back clause would be the best path for him next season.

The fact that he is being linked to clubs such as psg and Bayern shows what a fantastic prospect he is, in terms of both potential and sell on value.

So many people are quick to write off players...not Chelsea quality, not good enough, never going to make it....etc etc.  And they may be right, but with a run if games in his actual position, I think he could really turn some heads and surprise people. 

Quick. Strong. Skillful. Not afraid to shoot. And a bit of a fighter and a scraper.  Qualities that we could do with...

5 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

The fact that he is being linked to clubs such as psg and Bayern shows what a fantastic prospect he is, in terms of both potential and sell on value.

So many people are quick to write off players...not Chelsea quality, not good enough, never going to make it....etc etc.  And they may be right, but with a run if games in his actual position, I think he could really turn some heads and surprise people. 

Quick. Strong. Skillful. Not afraid to shoot. And a bit of a fighter and a scraper.  Qualities that we could do with...

It's infuriating that there seems to have been a pattern at Chelsea. 

Sturridge, KDB, Lukaku, Salah, now possibly Kenedy & Bats. We seem to always be looking elsewhere for the answers when sometimes we have it right in our lap but just need to SHOW A BIT OF FAITH.

 

The other thing is, fans always sh*t on the board if they are deemed as "not Chelsea quality" but then prove successful elsewhere and suddenly the club are the bad guys for allowing them to leave. One thing the club shouldn't be slated for is their eye for young talent. Okay, they get it wrong a couple times,  but for the most part we scout well which is evident by how successful our youth teams are year in, year out despite losing two or three key players every season or couple season. 

I've always been a fan of Kenedy.

He is very skilled and works his ass off, got a quality final ball too. If only Moses was even half as good as him! Not surprised he is being linked with other big clubs, he will turn into the next Salah or De Bruyne, mark my words. And we will be laughed at once again for letting such a talent slip through our fingers.

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

It's infuriating that there seems to have been a pattern at Chelsea. 

Sturridge, KDB, Lukaku, Salah, now possibly Kenedy & Bats. We seem to always be looking elsewhere for the answers when sometimes we have it right in our lap but just need to SHOW A BIT OF FAITH.

 

You are correct...it is a pattern, that seems to be followed by not only our managers, but also a cohort of our fans.

Not enough patience by all involved. Too much of a demand for instant success by all involved. Too little faith to allow players to grow, evolve  and prosper by all involved.

A systematic pattern of failure to realise what we have, and failure to nurture and use those players in a responsible and beneficial way.

Edited April 10, 20188 yr by nonotnowjim

12 hours ago, big blue said:

I think kenedy has been unlucky to get shoehorned into the left wing back role. 

He came to the club as a forward, but I don't think he has played more than 2 or 3 times there, it must be difficult to move to a new country, and try to impress in an unfamiliar role, with limited opportunities. 

It's like us signing richalison, and giving him the odd run out at right wing back. Kenedy had the ability to make a similar impact, but I feel he came to us too soon.

I find it pretty astonishing he has been linked with bayern and psg today, he has potential, but he has alot to work on. 

I think either a loan or sale with a buy back clause would be the best path for him next season.

I wouldn’t be doing neither of those things, I would be bringing him back to compete with Hazard & Willian. Pedro is as good as gone, and I would buy another top player.

Problem we have had is neither Mourinho nor Conte can be trusted to develop creative players, and this has nothing to do with the pressures of winning. A defender; Yes, A defensive midfielder; Yes, A target man; Yes, but I wouldn’t trust them to develop creative young players. As much as Chelsea fans hate Benitez, give him a young talent and he would develop them. I wouldn’t mind sending Hudson Odoi to him next season, seeing how he much time he has given Kenedy & Atsu before that.  

45 minutes ago, ducavis said:

I wouldn’t be doing neither of those things, I would be bringing him back to compete with Hazard & Willian. Pedro is as good as gone, and I would buy another top player.

Problem we have had is neither Mourinho nor Conte can be trusted to develop creative players, and this has nothing to do with the pressures of winning. A defender; Yes, A defensive midfielder; Yes, A target man; Yes, but I wouldn’t trust them to develop creative young players. As much as Chelsea fans hate Benitez, give him a young talent and he would develop them. I wouldn’t mind sending Hudson Odoi to him next season, seeing how he much time he has given Kenedy & Atsu before that.  

It all depends what system we play next I suppose, but id rather have hazard Willian CHO and a new signing as our attacking options. I don't think we need anymore than that, or it could mean kenedy or CHO see very little game time again. 

I'd be happy to go back to Newcastle for another season, he seems to be developing well under Benitez. 

23 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Pedro out, Kenedy in next season? 

For the sake of the club - YES!!!

4 hours ago, Nibs said:

It's infuriating that there seems to have been a pattern at Chelsea. 

Sturridge, KDB, Lukaku, Salah, now possibly Kenedy & Bats. We seem to always be looking elsewhere for the answers when sometimes we have it right in our lap but just need to SHOW A BIT OF FAITH.

 

The problem is, how do you know that young player will make it unless they're given the chance. Let's be honest, we could have the next lampard or kane in our youth system, but unless given a chance to shine they have no chance.

Maybe being in europa next year isn't too bad as we could then integrate some youth and give them experience playing at that level, a tier below the top tier in Europe. 

15 hours ago, The Brit said:

Oh please...the two of them were given bits and pieces under Conte...just look at the amount of starts they had between them. Imagine playing for a coach you know doesn't rate or trust you and will never give you a run in the side? Then in contrast going to clubs where you know the coach rates you and will give you a chance...that's what's happened to bats and Kennedy at Dortmund and Newcastle respectively and they look good players...are they the finished article? Of course not..,but given Conte has moaned constantly about the quality of his squad, he deserves criticism for not making the most of and alienating players he did have.

 

and it can be argued that the quality of displays by players like Pedro and Morata this season, these two should have played more here anyway.

Oh please? Do you disagree that they didn't make the most of the chances given to them? Neither of them did anything to earn more starts than they actually got this season.

They are both doing much better at the loan clubs where competition for places is less. Isn't that a good thing?

It doesn't surprise me that people like you are ignoring the truth to twist the situation into yet another thing to complain about.

PSG and Bayern on the horizon for him... Would be an absolute shocker to let him go. Instead of having him as a wingback, we should definitely use him as a winger and i think he could be successful there for us.

I know its been said many times before, but our current squad needs a massive overhaul with a load of dead wood/past their prime players heading out the door. People like Cahill, Pedro, Luiz need to get out ASAP and bring back Zouma, Kenedy and RLC from their successful loans

1 hour ago, bluedave said:

Do you disagree that they didn't make the most of the chances given to them? Neither of them did anything to earn more starts than they actually got this season.

 

Kenedy has always impressed me and I've never understood why he hasn't been given more of a chance. Yes he's a little raw and a bit impetuous but he's got pace, skill and aggression. If he'd had a manager that believed in him, I think he'd have been very useful this season. I've never been a fan of Pedro. I'd take Kenedy over him like a shot. Anyway, this is one loan deal that's worked out. Hopefully we'll reap the reward next season when he's integrated into our squad. Does anyone know how long left on his contract?

Yes the loan deal for Kennedy, and even Batshuayi are both working out.  Worst case they have both risen significantly in value.  They should both be brought back and given an opportunity to get involved, especially with a new manager coming in.  Kennedy has all the tools, I'd like to see him played higher up the pitch like most here seem to agree.  Batshuayi, while I think there is still a good player there, may be sold.  I'm not sure his value will ever be higher than it is now with his form at an all time high and scoring in a competitive league.  

Imo that's why I think its best we get 'less-known' manager rather than someone like Luis Enrique. Otherwise, it's going to be rinse and repeat where the new manager comes, makes demands from the board, doesn't give youth a chance, and then when the board doesn't meet his demands he will throw a tantrum and then end up leaving the club like Mourinho and Conte with hefty payout. Had Luiz not had a fallout with Conte, I doubt Christensen would have gotten a chance.

2 hours ago, bluedave said:

Oh please? Do you disagree that they didn't make the most of the chances given to them? Neither of them did anything to earn more starts than they actually got this season.

They are both doing much better at the loan clubs where competition for places is less. Isn't that a good thing?

It doesn't surprise me that people like you are ignoring the truth to twist the situation into yet another thing to complain about.

Not buying this argument; can remember Kenedy having a good game in a Cup game notching an assist, and next game he wasn’t in the match day squad.

The less said about Bats the better. His treatment by Conte was weird, he could have bagged a hat trick and be back on the bench the next game. Conte even insisted that he wanted him sold to Dortmund. Now we are stuck with a Morata 2.0 in Giroud who would offers very little goal scoring threat.

6 hours ago, enigma said:

The other thing is, fans always sh*t on the board if they are deemed as "not Chelsea quality" but then prove successful elsewhere and suddenly the club are the bad guys for allowing them to leave. One thing the club shouldn't be slated for is their eye for young talent. Okay, they get it wrong a couple times,  but for the most part we scout well which is evident by how successful our youth teams are year in, year out despite losing two or three key players every season or couple season. 

And yet most of our fans always slated Emenalo.

9 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

The fact that he is being linked to clubs such as psg and Bayern shows what a fantastic prospect he is, in terms of both potential and sell on value.

So many people are quick to write off players...not Chelsea quality, not good enough, never going to make it....etc etc.  And they may be right, but with a run if games in his actual position, I think he could really turn some heads and surprise people. 

Quick. Strong. Skillful. Not afraid to shoot. And a bit of a fighter and a scraper.  Qualities that we could do with...

The bolded part is my fav part of Kennedy game, all our defenders apart from Azpi are far to nice on the pitch. Im not sure about Kenedy as a winger or a fullback but as a wingback he could be good. Problem is we bought Emerson now and Alonso isn't going anywhere.

Highlights of Kenedy for the 2017/18 season from Chelsea Reddit

 

28 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

And yet most of our fans always slated Emenalo.

The bolded part is my fav part of Kennedy game, all our defenders apart from Azpi are far to nice on the pitch. Im not sure about Kenedy as a winger or a fullback but as a wingback he could be good. Problem is we bought Emerson now and Alonso isn't going anywhere.

One example just this past season is redan. brought in from ajax, 16 years old, now he's close to 20 goals this season i believe. also, ampadu. many fans weren't that impressed with kenedy initially, but glad to see he's changing opinion. he is still so young and just spent the past two seasons as a bench warmer for us and playing bit part as lwb. i regular run of games as an attacking player and i am sure he'll progress well. 

Edited April 10, 20188 yr by enigma

3 hours ago, bluedave said:

Oh please? Do you disagree that they didn't make the most of the chances given to them? Neither of them did anything to earn more starts than they actually got this season.

They are both doing much better at the loan clubs where competition for places is less. Isn't that a good thing?

It doesn't surprise me that people like you are ignoring the truth to twist the situation into yet another thing to complain about.

Batshuayi - four league starts in 18 months under Conte (18 starts in total)...already started more League games in just over two months at Dortmund and has started 12 in total

kenedy - six starts under Conte in 12 months Jan 17-Jan 18...already started eight times for Newcastle...

Is it any surprise they didn't develop under Conte or show  the confidence they are playing with now? Not suggesting they were first names on the teamsheet every week, but criminally underused by a coach that moans about not having enough players.

 

I didn't realize that Kenedy doesn't want to play for Conte again

 

1 hour ago, robdog said:

I didn't realize that Kenedy doesn't want to play for Conte again

 

One suspects he's not the only one

Not a surprise when he thinks most of them aren't very good.

15 hours ago, robdog said:

I didn't realize that Kenedy doesn't want to play for Conte again

 

Good, he can come back to Chelsea next season then. 

On 10/04/2018 at 15:28, Davey Baby said:

Does anyone know how long left on his contract?

 

Davey, that's an absolutely brilliant question and so rudely ignored by everybody else on these boards.

 

Kenedy has two more years left on his deal after this season.

 

No need to thank me Davey. The pleasure is all mine.