38 minutes ago, LengmanJedi said:

 

I've played enough Fifa to know that even I could win the league with Barca and Bayern
This was his first real test and you must say he's not doing so well obviously next season is crucial for him but looking like a bullet dodged at the mo

 

Everyone said the same about PSG now look. Also if you go back to Bayern the fact he took over a treble winning side made it harder if anything, look how much trouble we have had motivating our boys after title wins, he had to go in there and convince a bunch of well fed treble winners to not only go again but to buy in to new ideas. No Bayern manager won three in a row before he turned up, so if it was that easy why hasn't it been done before now?

 

2 hours ago, Charles Ryder said:

 

Great insight from Nate...I am going to post this vid over in Nate's thread

15 hours ago, evissy said:

"Antonio Conte is desperate to bring Real Madrid star Gareth Bale to Chelsea, according to reports in Spain."

Funny some of these reports. Conte and desperate doesn't really fit in any sentence.
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Yeah. How can you feel desperate when you're in a good place.

Everyone said the same about PSG now look. Also if you go back to Bayern the fact he took over a treble winning side made it harder if anything, look how much trouble we have had motivating our boys after title wins, he had to go in there and convince a bunch of well fed treble winners to not only go again but to buy in to new ideas. No Bayern manager won three in a row before he turned up, so if it was that easy why hasn't it been done before now?

Psg are the dictionary definition of a 'bunch of individuals' would be hard for any manager (apart from conte obviously lol) there as the main objective is the ucl and I can't see them winning that any time soon

On the Bayern point it's not that he didn't win the treble it's just they went from playing really attacking 'german' football and once he arrived he tried to replicate the tippy tap possession bore fest from Barca and basically killed the vibe of a treble winning team

Or that's my view anyway :)
Be interesting to see what he does with city next season!

20 minutes ago, LengmanJedi said:

 

Psg are the dictionary definition of a 'bunch of individuals' would be hard for any manager (apart from conte obviously lol) there as the main objective is the ucl and I can't see them winning that any time soon

On the Bayern point it's not that he didn't win the treble it's just they went from playing really attacking 'german' football and once he arrived he tried to replicate the tippy tap possession bore fest from Barca and basically killed the vibe of a treble winning team

Or that's my view anyway :)
Be interesting to see what he does with city next season!

 

He ruined Bayern, they went from being an exciting attacking time to a tedious tippy tappy load of sh*t.

30 minutes ago, LengmanJedi said:

 

Psg are the dictionary definition of a 'bunch of individuals' would be hard for any manager (apart from conte obviously lol) there as the main objective is the ucl and I can't see them winning that any time soon

On the Bayern point it's not that he didn't win the treble it's just they went from playing really attacking 'german' football and once he arrived he tried to replicate the tippy tap possession bore fest from Barca and basically killed the vibe of a treble winning team

Or that's my view anyway :)
Be interesting to see what he does with city next season!

 

Why did he have to play the same way as Heynkes? Isn't unwillingness to evolve the reason we royally f**ked up the last two title defenses? 

Was Pep's Bayern as entertaining as Heynkes's side? Not even close but he made them an even better side and sustained dominantion.

He ruined Bayern, they went from being an exciting attacking time to a tedious tippy tappy load of sh*t.

Your hate for Pep is pretty evident. I don't like him either but there is no denying his Bayern were a dominant force who scored goals for fun.

Why did he have to play the same way as Heynkes? Isn't unwillingness to evolve the reason we royally f**ked up the last two title defenses? 
Was Pep's Bayern as entertaining as Heynkes's side? Not even close but he made them an even better side and sustained dominantion.

No the problem was he tried to play like peps Barca he should have assessed his squad and changed his tactics accordingly to play to the teams strengths as when you manage Bayern I genuinely believe you have to win the league/fa cup equivalent in an entertaining fashion at the bare minimum as they are literally in a one team league

I wouldn't say they were a better side under pep always felt we've had a chance whenever we have come up against the 'tiki taka' style of play but that's down to personal opinion

9 hours ago, JoseBlues said:

 

Your hate for Pep is pretty evident. I don't like him either but there is no denying his Bayern were a dominant force who scored goals for fun.
 

 

Hate? So because I don't like his tedious style if football that means I hate him? Don't be so bloody precious.

On 5/10/2017 at 06:19, TheChelseaBlues said:

Pep will deliver. He's far too good to continue this way, he's adaptive as Conte. Count me in on the people who thought he was never going to revilutionize the league and take it by storm. However he knows you adapt or die and though he may have been a bit naive this season its too early to write him off. If you've seen his training manual you know he's not focused on traditional methods, its just a different world with him the players haven't adapted to yet

I really, don't think there is any evidence to suggest this.

Pep v Chelsea. It doesn't matter how good or bad the chelsea team is, he has always struggled when he was Barcelona manager, he didn't change a thing, they just kept playing the same way, he didn't have a plan B.

Pep in Germany: he took an absolutely peak Bayarn team who played superb football that won the CL, forced his philosophy on the team and took them backwards, that's not adapting, that not's looking at what you have and playing to the strengths of you're players, that's being a stubborn ass and saying my way or the high way. 

Pep now: Nothing has changed at City, since the start of the season despite glaring issues. That city team and squad is the best in the league on paper or as rated at the beginning of the season. They haven't been in the conversation for the title since feb 

10 hours ago, JoseBlues said:

 

Your hate for Pep is pretty evident. I don't like him either but there is no denying his Bayern were a dominant force who scored goals for fun.
 

 

In a German league with no competition, they got their asses handed to them in the CL 

In a German league with no competition, they got their asses handed to them in the CL 

Sure. It is not like they made the semis each time and decimated teams to reach there. But CL is only the games you lose, is it? He should have won at least once, I agree but CL is a knockout tournament and anything can happen. We should have won in Jose's first stint, under Carlo and in 2008-09. But football doesn't work that way.

Hate? So because I don't like his tedious style if football that means I hate him? Don't be so bloody precious.

That's fair. You are entitled to your opinion. Not everyone shares it though.

4 minutes ago, JoseBlues said:

 

That's fair. You are entitled to your opinion. Not everyone shares it though.

 

I do.

20 minutes ago, JoseBlues said:

 

Sure. It is not like they made the semis each time and decimated teams to reach there. But CL is only the games you lose, is it? He should have won at least once, I agree but CL is a knockout tournament and anything can happen. We should have won in Jose's first stint, under Carlo and in 2008-09. But football doesn't work that way.

 

I can go along with you if the games are tight, nip and tuck, but 2013 they lost 5-0 on aggregate to Real Madrid. At this time Bayarn had a squad at there peak and most players would be called top level if not world class. 

In 2015 they lost 6-2 on aggregate to Barca

Last year they lost marginally to A.Madrid. That's fair enough, but they would have gone in to the game strong faviorest.

in 3 attempts with arguably the one of the top 3 squads in Europe I would have expected at least one final in the only real competition they are in from the best manager in the world 

Compare it to Jose

In 2004/5 under Jose we got beat by a ghost goal from a team we dominated prior in the season, loss but we are talking a game that could have gone either way, if Gudjonson converts that volley at the end very different story

Second season we lost to Barca, the first leg was pretty controversial with the sending of and we out played them, the away leg meh.. but we didn't get battered, one goal i think. 

In 2005/6 we lost on penalties in the semi i believe. 

I think that period is the only time I can say that Chelsea arguably could be considered the best team/squad in Europe, regardless the point is we were at least competitive!  

I don't disagree. He should have won at least once and that is a failure. I said that in my previous post as well. But to say he took that team backwards and made them weak is a little too much.

Pep doesn't have a plan B and that is his weakness. His plan A is good enough to beat 90% of the teams though. This city team is old in a lot of places and he did take a flyer on Gundogan which didn't work. He will invest big again and will be much better next year. At least I think so but we will know soon.

7 hours ago, barak81 said:

Pep in Germany: he took an absolutely peak Bayarn team who played superb football that won the CL, forced his philosophy on the team and took them backwards, that's not adapting, that not's looking at what you have and playing to the strengths of you're players, that's being a stubborn ass and saying my way or the high way. 

He took them backwards? Yes his Bayern wasn't anywhere near as entertaining as Heynckes side but he in terms of quality he made them even more formidable, yes he didn't win the CL like Jupp's team did, but we of all fans know a CL win doesn't automatically make a team better than one which failed. He hasn't pulled up any trees at City so far and i am more than happy we chose Antonio instead of him but i find the desperation to take apart his achievement's truly bizarre.

7 hours ago, barak81 said:

Pep v Chelsea. It doesn't matter how good or bad the chelsea team is, he has always struggled when he was Barcelona manager, he didn't change a thing, they just kept playing the same way, he didn't have a plan B.

2009 he struggled because Hiddink pulled off a complete tactical masterclass over two legs, we contained them at the Nou Camp with a solid defensive display not giving them any space and overwhelmed them at Stamford Bridge with our power. The one chink in Pep's Barca's armour was facing sides with such strength, speed and power and Gus played on that to perfection. We should have battered them but we all know why we didn't. 2012 we were outplayed and the gods were with us, but after battering them and going out in 2009, what comes around goes around, still waiting to get Inter back for the year after.

7 hours ago, barak81 said:

I really, don't think there is any evidence to suggest this.

Pep v Chelsea. It doesn't matter how good or bad the chelsea team is, he has always struggled when he was Barcelona manager, he didn't change a thing, they just kept playing the same way, he didn't have a plan B.

Pep in Germany: he took an absolutely peak Bayarn team who played superb football that won the CL, forced his philosophy on the team and took them backwards, that's not adapting, that not's looking at what you have and playing to the strengths of you're players, that's being a stubborn ass and saying my way or the high way. 

Pep now: Nothing has changed at City, since the start of the season despite glaring issues. That city team and squad is the best in the league on paper or as rated at the beginning of the season. They haven't been in the conversation for the title since feb 

Yea there is no evidence to suggest Pep Guardiola, he of 7 league titles in 9 seasons, is a great manager. There are definitely no ringing endorsements from world class players to suggest he knows what he's doing. It would be one thing if someone like Johan Cruyff wanted to hire him at Barcelona but I think he pushed for Jose instead right? 

I can't believe I thought changing Barcelona from 4-3-3 to 3-4-3 when teams started limiting their build up play and goals started to become harder to come by was adapting. Now that we have hindsight, everyone was playing with three DMs and no defenders at the back weren't they? Let's not get into his Bayern tactics either. Inverted fullbacks? Raumdeuter? Ideas of the past if you ask me. 

 

Again, I'm more than pleased we have Conte instead of him for various reasons. I hope Pep never wins another trophy in his life as long as he is at City. Credit where it's due though. Conte has just called winning this league his greatest achievement. Winning the Premier League is Antonio Conte's greatest achievement. It's not as simple as you seem to think it should be for a top manager. 

Edited May 11, 20179 yr by TheChelseaBlues

Heynckes Bayern for me was what a great team should look like: balanced and devastating. Pep's Bayern was Barcelona in Bayern-shirt. No my cup of tea.

Not really sure if Pep is adapt or die type. Early on when City's thing stated to go south he said he could leave after this first season. Not even sure if it was a heat of the moment thing or he was actually afraid he was dethroned...

any body else worried about chinese backed inter sniffing around?

4 hours ago, luckywerthers said:

any body else worried about chinese backed inter sniffing around?

Vaffanculo Internazionale.

 

Hope Google translate has got it right!!

6 hours ago, luckywerthers said:

any body else worried about chinese backed inter sniffing around?

Nope. Simeone is nailed on for the Inter job.

13 hours ago, luckywerthers said:

any body else worried about chinese backed inter sniffing around?

Not worried but not taking for granted that he'll definitely stay. It would be understandable if the club fails to invest this summer, or he left for family/personal reasons.

Edited May 12, 20179 yr by the special one

Thank You Antonio Conte.

For making Chelsea Champions .