1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

So if anyone makes consistent basic errors in their job and underperform we can just blame management, wonder how long we will last 

Well he hasn't underperformed has he. Won the league on his first season.

How can he be the best with the tools given to him at a notoriously difficult league with the best managers in the world. Certainly the complaining is not nice but maybe that's the only way the board can wake up and do something. We seem to identify good players but we settle with third choices and that's not on. We had Lampard Essien Ballack Makalele even Tiago at to choose from now we only have Kante. The squad needs to be improved full stop if we want to be at the top and that's what Conte is saying.

Yeah year after year it`s all manager fault. :D

 Ernie_blue, how`s that? He lose all of his touch, in just 2 months, from last season to this, right? :D

Great logic.

As far as i remember, he change the formation few times this season, but every top manager, knows and it`s good in between 1-3 formation. He tried with false 9, because our striker was bad.
As far as i remember, he constantley tried Drinkwater/Bakayoko/Fabregas, evan Barkley(injured), Bakayoko and Drinkwater was injured too.

We have worst midfield then any other top teap. Kante is great at defense, but he is complete zero in offensive part of the game ....

Only creative midfielder we have is Fabregas. Thats why he play most of the time.

Otherwise you will say, Conte is playing defensively with 2dm.

He rotated Willy/Pedro according to the form.

He also rotate the striker position.

Most importantly people here was crying non-stop about Cahill, but last season Cahill was the man and helped the team greatelly, esp with his important goals. Christensen have made big mistake in every important match we play.
People here was crying about Cahill, Luis in the begining, so Conte integrate both Christensen and Rudiger.
But you can always find something to complain about it.

Same thing was being said for Mou, when he was here last season, same goes for Ancelotti in his second season and so on.

This season a lot of Real fans wanted Zidane out, and was complaining about exactly the same things. Last season Liverpool fans was the same about Klopp, now they are worship him.

Some fans are like that, they are not see the bigger picture, just look where they wanted and always blame the manager.

And what about the players ?? They have zero fault, right? Just like with Mou ....

You put the players on the fields, and it`s their job to win the matches. And our so far is a big, big disappointment. No leaders, no one, who will lead the group.

And so much individual mistake this season. Most of our loses this season, esp. the big one, was due to single players mistakes. As i said Christensen made so much in every important match we played.

 

 

14 minutes ago, brakeit said:

Yeah year after year it`s all manager fault. :D

 Ernie_blue, how`s that? He lose all of his touch, in just 2 months, from last season to this, right? :D

Great logic.

As far as i remember, he change the formation few times this season, but every top manager, knows and it`s good in between 1-3 formation. He tried with false 9, because our striker was bad.
As far as i remember, he constantley tried Drinkwater/Bakayoko/Fabregas, evan Barkley(injured), Bakayoko and Drinkwater was injured too.

We have worst midfield then any other top teap. Kante is great at defense, but he is complete zero in offensive part of the game ....

Only creative midfielder we have is Fabregas. Thats why he play most of the time.

Otherwise you will say, Conte is playing defensively with 2dm.

He rotated Willy/Pedro according to the form.

He also rotate the striker position.

Most importantly people here was crying non-stop about Cahill, but last season Cahill was the man and helped the team greatelly, esp with his important goals. Christensen have made big mistake in every important match we play.
People here was crying about Cahill, Luis in the begining, so Conte integrate both Christensen and Rudiger.
But you can always find something to complain about it.

Same thing was being said for Mou, when he was here last season, same goes for Ancelotti in his second season and so on.

This season a lot of Real fans wanted Zidane out, and was complaining about exactly the same things. Last season Liverpool fans was the same about Klopp, now they are worship him.

Some fans are like that, they are not see the bigger picture, just look where they wanted and always blame the manager.

And what about the players ?? They have zero fault, right? Just like with Mou ....

You put the players on the fields, and it`s their job to win the matches. And our so far is a big, big disappointment. No leaders, no one, who will lead the group.

And so much individual mistake this season. Most of our loses this season, esp. the big one, was due to single players mistakes. As i said Christensen made so much in every important match we played.

 

 

Word salad. 

10 minutes ago, Gentian said:

Well he hasn't underperformed has he. Won the league on his first season.

How can he be the best with the tools given to him at a notoriously difficult league with the best managers in the world. Certainly the complaining is not nice but maybe that's the only way the board can wake up and do something. We seem to identify good players but we settle with third choices and that's not on. We had Lampard Essien Ballack Makalele even Tiago at to choose from now we only have Kante. The squad needs to be improved full stop if we want to be at the top and that's what Conte is saying.

So what's the excuses for being arrogant and making simple managment errors, it doesn't matter if you have City's, Chelsea's or a National League squad. Conte has made a lot of management errors this season and that's the point people seem to be missing. There's only so long 80th min subs, picking the same out of form players, sticking to a back 3, not adapting to the opposition, influencing a game before you concede or losing, falling out with players, telling your own players there not good enough and there are more. It's been that bad some people have questioned if Conte has done some things on purpose.

Yes there's no doubt the squad needs to be improved but Conte's performance this year hasn't been great and people using the players signed as an excuse are as bad as Conte 

 

15 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

with the WC on the horizon interesting that Liverpool's midfield were English.

And also city had the Belgium center back. No excuses for Southgate.

1 hour ago, Gentian said:

Well he hasn't underperformed has he. Won the league on his first season.

How can he be the best with the tools given to him at a notoriously difficult league with the best managers in the world. Certainly the complaining is not nice but maybe that's the only way the board can wake up and do something. We seem to identify good players but we settle with third choices and that's not on. We had Lampard Essien Ballack Makalele even Tiago at to choose from now we only have Kante. The squad needs to be improved full stop if we want to be at the top and that's what Conte is saying.

Last season was last season, this season he has been woefully short on tactis, team selection, big match management and general moaning and bringing the team and club down. He is the figure head of the club and has done a piss poor job, and now it seems he's hanging on for his big payout, while us silly f**kers pay £50/£60 to watch the dross that he serves up with his team. Sad it ended this way but you've history in this department Antonio

6 hours ago, brakeit said:

You forget to mention they wanted Van Dijk in the summer, before they sell Cou. Southapmton didn`t want to sell it and was blackmailing Liverpool and even threat them.

Yeah and if that was us you would bang on about how convenient it is that we finally got the deal done after making money in a sale (our best player no less).

And you think there's no pressure at Spurs? Jol was sacked for a poor start to one season after two successive 5th place finishes, Ramos was sacked less than a year after winning their only trophy this millennium thus far, Redknapp was sacked after finishing 4th, AVB months after delivering the highest points tally for them in years and Sherwood was chopped despite finishing a few points of CL places. Yes there's not huge pressure to deliver titles at Tottenham (no way Levy could ask that given his wage structure) but there's certainly expectations that will get you fired if you fail to fulfill them, or in Redknapp's case fulfilling the objective didn't save him.

Edited April 5, 20188 yr by Argo

We've had major problems in every area of the team this season; Defence, Midfield and Striker. One or two areas might have been solvable but all three have got the better of Conte and he's been unable to come up with a solution that works. I've a degree of sympathy with Conte about signings and at times he must have felt cursed with bad luck (Hazard's summer injury, Luiz's knee, Bakayoko's form, Drinkwater injured straight away, Morata's whatever it is?) but it is fair to say that he has contributed to the slump as the season has progressed. However what's clear is that Conte wants out and that's the most damning fact of all. That he does't want to stay and work with what's available to him and try to repeat the success of his first season. So what if you don't get the players you want? So what if the Board failed to support you?  Every manager in the Football League will be thinking 'welcome to the club mate'. It's supposed to be about The Manager and The Team battling right to the end - not giving up halfway through.

21 hours ago, brakeit said:

Yeah year after year it`s all manager fault. :D

 Ernie_blue, how`s that? He lose all of his touch, in just 2 months, from last season to this, right? :D

Great logic.

As far as i remember, he change the formation few times this season, A change between 343 and 352 is hardly useful. Two formations that are failing in that league. We want to see him try a back 4. but every top manager, knows and it`s good in between 1-3 formation. He tried with false 9, because our striker was bad. Interesting that you point out our striker is bad. This is the striker Conte wanted yet you moan about the transfers. Good job we don't trust him with all our transfers as he might sign more duds. 
As far as i remember, he constantley tried Drinkwater/Bakayoko/Fabregas, evan Barkley(injured), Bakayoko and Drinkwater was injured too. Hardly even played Drinkwater, even when fit. 

We have worst midfield then any other top teap. Kante is great at defense, but he is complete zero in offensive part of the game .... Kante skips past players for fun and has a peach of a ball on him. Certainly isn't sh*t offensively. He isn't going to score loads but he can create. 

Only creative midfielder we have is Fabregas. Thats why he play most of the time. Drinkwater and Barkley are both creative when they want to be. Not as much as Cesc but they could do the job. 

Otherwise you will say, Conte is playing defensively with 2dm.

He rotated Willy/Pedro according to the form. No he didn't he just kept playing Pedro when he was sh*t. Luckily Willy hit some form. 

He also rotate the striker position.  Because the strikers that he wanted are both sh*t. 

Most importantly people here was crying non-stop about Cahill, but last season Cahill was the man and helped the team greatelly, esp with his important goals. Christensen have made big mistake in every important match we play.
People here was crying about Cahill, Luis in the begining, so Conte integrate both Christensen and Rudiger.
But you can always find something to complain about it.

Same thing was being said for Mou, when he was here last season, same goes for Ancelotti in his second season and so on.

This season a lot of Real fans wanted Zidane out, and was complaining about exactly the same things. Last season Liverpool fans was the same about Klopp, now they are worship him.

Some fans are like that, they are not see the bigger picture, just look where they wanted and always blame the manager. 

And what about the players ?? They have zero fault, right? Just like with Mou .... If a player isn't performing its the managers job to replace him or coach him into form. So yes, it is the managers fault. 

You put the players on the fields, and it`s their job to win the matches. And our so far is a big, big disappointment. No leaders, no one, who will lead the group. It is also the managers job to make changes to win games. How many times have we been winning a game and gone on to lose or draw. At least Mourinho could instill a game plan to hold onto a lead. Conte changes nothing and the opposing manager capitalises on it. 

And so much individual mistake this season. Most of our loses this season, esp. the big one, was due to single players mistakes. As i said Christensen made so much in every important match we played. I don't blame Christensen but who picks him? Who fell out with his only competition in Luiz? That's right Conte.

Take your nose out of Conte's arse and smell the fresh air. He isn;t as perfect as you think. 

 

 

 

Things you can't blame Conte for:

- Individual errors. It must be said there have been plenty in recent weeks; the Barca & Tottenham games probably decided by them. You are always going to get the odd mad mistake over the course of the season, but we have shot ourselves in the foot time and time again this season. I can't remember a season peppered with so many individual bollock dropping moments. 

- Injuries. Every team has them. Last season we barley had any, this season we have had plenty. We should be able to cope, but it's undeniable that it hasn't been a good season when it comes to injuries (Luiz, Morata, Barkley, Cortouis to name a few who have all missed more games than you would hope). 

- Squad Strength. I believe Conte has had input on who we sign, but not a great deal more than that. I believe our squad is a lot better than Conte (and his apologists) would have you believe, but it could be better. Unlike Pep & Mourinho, he clearly hasn't had all of his primary targets (Sandro, Llorente, Bonnuci and the like). 

Things you can blame Conte for:

- His Attitude. It stinks, and it has done for most of the season. His body language has been the worst of any manager I have ever seen in the Chelsea dugout and it's unforgivable. I have never genuinely thought that a Manager might be intentionally trying to lose games, but this season I have had to question that theory. He, at times, has looked like he genuinely couldn't give a toss (stark contract to last season when he was the other end of the spectrum). No emotion, hands in pockets, straight down the tunnel at full time regardless of result. Add his constant pissing and moaning about the board (woe is me), and his weekly reminders that his squad isn't good enough and it's no wonder there is such a dark cloud lingering over the club with non stop gossip of players wanting out. He has created a complete sense of negativity around the club, and I think it has clearly effected the players. 

- Tactics. Last season he was rightly given full credit for switching to 3-5-2. This season, he has watched us be out-done tactically time and time again and done nothing about it. No change to formation, no change to tactics, and substitutions are too little, too late (often consisting of like for like swaps or taking off our most creative player when chasing a game). Nowhere near good enough. 

- Players Under-performing. You can't blame him for individual errors, but for me, he is paid to get the best out of players. This isn't happening. Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Luiz to name a few, are all players who have disappeared this season. There is a £100M worth of players there who have made no meaningful positive contribution this season. 

Fall Outs- I think the Costa & Luiz situations have lead to his popularity plummeting in the dressing room. This is my own speculation only, but I can't imagine it has helped get the players on side. Two massive characters, and he has gone to war with them. At the time, I didn't have an issue with him laying down the law and letting everyone know who was boss, but in hindsight, it hasn't gone well has it. Also, his pathetic spat with Mourinho was painful to watch and did him no favours at all. Mourinho came out of it with no credit either, but it's what he does, Conte should have known better than to get involved. 

 

All in all, I don't see how anyone can suggest Conte has done nothing wrong this season. He has done a lot wrong. 

 

 

48 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

Things you can't blame Conte for:

- Individual errors. It must be said there have been plenty in recent weeks; the Barca & Tottenham games probably decided by them. You are always going to get the odd mad mistake over the course of the season, but we have shot ourselves in the foot time and time again this season. I can't remember a season peppered with so many individual bollock dropping moments. 

- Injuries. Every team has them. Last season we barley had any, this season we have had plenty. We should be able to cope, but it's undeniable that it hasn't been a good season when it comes to injuries (Luiz, Morata, Barkley, Cortouis to name a few who have all missed more games than you would hope). 

- Squad Strength. I believe Conte has had input on who we sign, but not a great deal more than that. I believe our squad is a lot better than Conte (and his apologists) would have you believe, but it could be better. Unlike Pep & Mourinho, he clearly hasn't had all of his primary targets (Sandro, Llorente, Bonnuci and the like). 

Things you can blame Conte for:

- His Attitude. It stinks, and it has done for most of the season. His body language has been the worst of any manager I have ever seen in the Chelsea dugout and it's unforgivable. I have never genuinely thought that a Manager might be intentionally trying to lose games, but this season I have had to question that theory. He, at times, has looked like he genuinely couldn't give a toss (stark contract to last season when he was the other end of the spectrum). No emotion, hands in pockets, straight down the tunnel at full time regardless of result. Add his constant pissing and moaning about the board (woe is me), and his weekly reminders that his squad isn't good enough and it's no wonder there is such a dark cloud lingering over the club with non stop gossip of players wanting out. He has created a complete sense of negativity around the club, and I think it has clearly effected the players. 

- Tactics. Last season he was rightly given full credit for switching to 3-5-2. This season, he has watched us be out-done tactically time and time again and done nothing about it. No change to formation, no change to tactics, and substitutions are too little, too late (often consisting of like for like swaps or taking off our most creative player when chasing a game). Nowhere near good enough. 

- Players Under-performing. You can't blame him for individual errors, but for me, he is paid to get the best out of players. This isn't happening. Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Luiz to name a few, are all players who have disappeared this season. There is a £100M worth of players there who have made no meaningful positive contribution this season. 

Fall Outs- I think the Costa & Luiz situations have lead to his popularity plummeting in the dressing room. This is my own speculation only, but I can't imagine it has helped get the players on side. Two massive characters, and he has gone to war with them. At the time, I didn't have an issue with him laying down the law and letting everyone know who was boss, but in hindsight, it hasn't gone well has it. Also, his pathetic spat with Mourinho was painful to watch and did him no favours at all. Mourinho came out of it with no credit either, but it's what he does, Conte should have known better than to get involved. 

 

All in all, I don't see how anyone can suggest Conte has done nothing wrong this season. He has done a lot wrong. 

 

 

I'd possibly argue that injuries could be pushed towards him due to his well documented vigorous training sessions. Worked without Champions League football but with the added games it seems to have burned the players out a bit. Certainly never had this many issues over the last decade with our medical team. 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'd possibly argue that injuries could be pushed towards him due to his well documented vigorous training sessions. Worked without Champions League football but with the added games it seems to have burned the players out a bit. Certainly never had this many issues over the last decade with our medical team. 

Two incidents that have spoken volumes, Cahill suggested to ease up on the intensity of training, and Christensen being sent home from the Internationals for fatigue. Could fatigue also be the reason why we don't perform so well in the 2nd half of games recently?

On 4/4/2018 at 22:42, The Liquidator said:

And Conte was crying that we didn't sign Alex Sandro for 65 million

Yes but it's not like Klopp has been spending no money, they signed a 75 million pound centreback and what have they won? 

We signed Victor Moses for 9 million, Conte reverted him to a wingback and we won the league, he contributed. We signed Alonso for 24 million who wasn't a top target for all the big clubs and he's been excellent for us.

 

4 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

Things you can't blame Conte for:

- Individual errors. It must be said there have been plenty in recent weeks; the Barca & Tottenham games probably decided by them. You are always going to get the odd mad mistake over the course of the season, but we have shot ourselves in the foot time and time again this season. I can't remember a season peppered with so many individual bollock dropping moments. 

- Injuries. Every team has them. Last season we barley had any, this season we have had plenty. We should be able to cope, but it's undeniable that it hasn't been a good season when it comes to injuries (Luiz, Morata, Barkley, Cortouis to name a few who have all missed more games than you would hope). 

- Squad Strength. I believe Conte has had input on who we sign, but not a great deal more than that. I believe our squad is a lot better than Conte (and his apologists) would have you believe, but it could be better. Unlike Pep & Mourinho, he clearly hasn't had all of his primary targets (Sandro, Llorente, Bonnuci and the like). 

Things you can blame Conte for:

- His Attitude. It stinks, and it has done for most of the season. His body language has been the worst of any manager I have ever seen in the Chelsea dugout and it's unforgivable. I have never genuinely thought that a Manager might be intentionally trying to lose games, but this season I have had to question that theory. He, at times, has looked like he genuinely couldn't give a toss (stark contract to last season when he was the other end of the spectrum). No emotion, hands in pockets, straight down the tunnel at full time regardless of result. Add his constant pissing and moaning about the board (woe is me), and his weekly reminders that his squad isn't good enough and it's no wonder there is such a dark cloud lingering over the club with non stop gossip of players wanting out. He has created a complete sense of negativity around the club, and I think it has clearly effected the players. 

- Tactics. Last season he was rightly given full credit for switching to 3-5-2. This season, he has watched us be out-done tactically time and time again and done nothing about it. No change to formation, no change to tactics, and substitutions are too little, too late (often consisting of like for like swaps or taking off our most creative player when chasing a game). Nowhere near good enough. 

- Players Under-performing. You can't blame him for individual errors, but for me, he is paid to get the best out of players. This isn't happening. Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Luiz to name a few, are all players who have disappeared this season. There is a £100M worth of players there who have made no meaningful positive contribution this season. 

Fall Outs- I think the Costa & Luiz situations have lead to his popularity plummeting in the dressing room. This is my own speculation only, but I can't imagine it has helped get the players on side. Two massive characters, and he has gone to war with them. At the time, I didn't have an issue with him laying down the law and letting everyone know who was boss, but in hindsight, it hasn't gone well has it. Also, his pathetic spat with Mourinho was painful to watch and did him no favours at all. Mourinho came out of it with no credit either, but it's what he does, Conte should have known better than to get involved. 

 

All in all, I don't see how anyone can suggest Conte has done nothing wrong this season. He has done a lot wrong. 

 

 

Going to play devil's advocate on your points here, this is pretty much my outlook on it, somebody in the middle.

Individual errors, Actually, I think a manager can definitely take the blame. A prime example of this would be Bakayoko who is a disaster waiting to happen every time he plays, yet he always plays, why? This guy is making mistakes and he's starting game after game... That is definitely something Conte can take the blame on, consistently playing an out of form player just like Jose can be blamed with Ivanovic. 

Injuries, How do you know he's not responsible? From what we've heard Conte runs a very hard training regime where he always has the players training at 100%, this could have been the reason for us looking very tired on the field and getting an awful lot of hamstring injuries this season. 

Squad Strength, I fully agree, we are still in the dark about it but it's a pretty fair estimation given all the sources and interviews.

His attitude, again I fully agree, only he can be blamed for his attitude and it has been atrocious. How can you expect to win things with such a defeatist attitude, I don't care what hand he's been dealt with, you can have half of your squad sold and club going into administration but if you don't try to be optimistic you'll have no chance of having a good season. That right there is his biggest downfall, and it's quite evident that he's looking after his stock more than he is this club, he's having battles with the board. 

Tactics, He's been hit and miss all season tactically, and that's not a good thing. For a manager you have to near enough always tactically consistent, you can be tactically consistent and lose games. However, Conte has made so many ridiculous gambles where it has cost us. Every Arsenal game he set us up wrong and too negative, even the first game when we put Fabregas in midfield we should have been more physical. We've bullied Arsenal for years under Jose, they were our bitch, now that's completely dissolved, we just let them do what they want to us. Don't even get me started on being tactically outdone by Roy Hodgson and David Moyes. 

Players under-performing, Yep definitely something going on here, but a manager also has to put his foot down or he'll get walked over. But it's hard for me to give Conte the benefit of the doubt here when he's constantly belittling the players in the press. I love a manager who actually clamps down on players, I loved it about Jose even though he kicked out some stars, it's what we lack in modern management. But fundamentally it's a managers job to get the players performing and from a blunt perspective he just isn't doing that is he.  

Fall outs, I don't know what to make of it. Costa, I don't fault him for at all, I saw Costa for what he is, we all did last season. That bridge was never going to be repaired unless we overcompensated him and no player deserves that. Blaming him for Costa and saying "well he could've done better" isn't looking at the bigger picture enough for me, watch Diego last season and his form dropped because he wanted to leave midway in the season when we needed to wrap up a title. That tells you all you need to know about him. As for David Luiz you might be right, you might be wrong, we don't know enough about that one. A manager does need to put his foot down and discipline his players so I'll give Conte the benefit of the doubt, however like I said in an earlier post, it's hard to do that with his press conferences. 

45 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Going to play devil's advocate on your points here, this is pretty much my outlook on it, somebody in the middle.

Individual errors, Actually, I think a manager can definitely take the blame. A prime example of this would be Bakayoko who is a disaster waiting to happen every time he plays, yet he always plays, why? This guy is making mistakes and he's starting game after game... That is definitely something Conte can take the blame on, consistently playing an out of form player just like Jose can be blamed with Ivanovic. 

Injuries, How do you know he's not responsible? From what we've heard Conte runs a very hard training regime where he always has the players training at 100%, this could have been the reason for us looking very tired on the field and getting an awful lot of hamstring injuries this season. 

Squad Strength, I fully agree, we are still in the dark about it but it's a pretty fair estimation given all the sources and interviews.

His attitude, again I fully agree, only he can be blamed for his attitude and it has been atrocious. How can you expect to win things with such a defeatist attitude, I don't care what hand he's been dealt with, you can have half of your squad sold and club going into administration but if you don't try to be optimistic you'll have no chance of having a good season. That right there is his biggest downfall, and it's quite evident that he's looking after his stock more than he is this club, he's having battles with the board. 

Tactics, He's been hit and miss all season tactically, and that's not a good thing. For a manager you have to near enough always tactically consistent, you can be tactically consistent and lose games. However, Conte has made so many ridiculous gambles where it has cost us. Every Arsenal game he set us up wrong and too negative, even the first game when we put Fabregas in midfield we should have been more physical. We've bullied Arsenal for years under Jose, they were our bitch, now that's completely dissolved, we just let them do what they want to us. Don't even get me started on being tactically outdone by Roy Hodgson and David Moyes. 

Players under-performing, Yep definitely something going on here, but a manager also has to put his foot down or he'll get walked over. But it's hard for me to give Conte the benefit of the doubt here when he's constantly belittling the players in the press. I love a manager who actually clamps down on players, I loved it about Jose even though he kicked out some stars, it's what we lack in modern management. But fundamentally it's a managers job to get the players performing and from a blunt perspective he just isn't doing that is he.  

Fall outs, I don't know what to make of it. Costa, I don't fault him for at all, I saw Costa for what he is, we all did last season. That bridge was never going to be repaired unless we overcompensated him and no player deserves that. Blaming him for Costa and saying "well he could've done better" isn't looking at the bigger picture enough for me, watch Diego last season and his form dropped because he wanted to leave midway in the season when we needed to wrap up a title. That tells you all you need to know about him. As for David Luiz you might be right, you might be wrong, we don't know enough about that one. A manager does need to put his foot down and discipline his players so I'll give Conte the benefit of the doubt, however like I said in an earlier post, it's hard to do that with his press conferences. 

 

I think Conte is probably guilty of handing Bakayoko too many chances, but on the flip side when you sign a midfielder for £45M you are going to hope you can play him into form. He had games early in the season where he looked the part, I just don't think anyone could have expected him to dip in form as much as he did. He has since been dropped from the starting 11. 

I think it's impossible to really know whether his  hard training regime played a part in the injuries or not. I didn't really have too much sympathy for the players who had an issue with his methods- they are professional athletes and (without knowing the exact details) should get on with it in my opinion. If it was obvious to all that it wasn't working and having an effect on the players energy levels in games then I agree, he should have switched it up. 

I didn't have an issue with him making a decision on Costa, although in hindsight I am not sure it was the right one. Perhaps it was if Costa was determined to leave. Either way, if he really told him by text that he was no longer involved, then he didn't handle it very well in my opinion. We could have done with Costa this season, and we didn't profit from his sale particularly well- if there was any chance we could have showed him some love and kept him on side, even if just for one more season, then I think as a club we would have greatly benefited. Morata & Costa could have been a mean partnership I think. 

4 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

 

I think Conte is probably guilty of handing Bakayoko too many chances, but on the flip side when you sign a midfielder for £45M you are going to hope you can play him into form. He had games early in the season where he looked the part, I just don't think anyone could have expected him to dip in form as much as he did. He has since been dropped from the starting 11. 

I think it's impossible to really know whether his  hard training regime played a part in the injuries or not. I didn't really have too much sympathy for the players who had an issue with his methods- they are professional athletes and (without knowing the exact details) should get on with it in my opinion. If it was obvious to all that it wasn't working and having an effect on the players energy levels in games then I agree, he should have switched it up. 

I didn't have an issue with him making a decision on Costa, although in hindsight I am not sure it was the right one. Perhaps it was if Costa was determined to leave. Either way, if he really told him by text that he was no longer involved, then he didn't handle it very well in my opinion. We could have done with Costa this season, and we didn't profit from his sale particularly well- if there was any chance we could have showed him some love and kept him on side, even if just for one more season, then I think as a club we would have greatly benefited. Morata & Costa could have been a mean partnership I think. 

Yes but after 25 Premier League starts you would think at some point Conte knows this isn't going to work right now.

Meanwhile, you've got Danny Drinkwater on the bench who has played much better and oddly enough only performs in the big games.

As for saying they're pro footballers they should just get on with it, again that's not really taking into account modern football. Football is much faster paced these days, you can't simply just deny fatigue when it's definitely a thing, a player can get tired from excessive training. With the growth of sports science in near enough every major sport especially this one, it's bound to take it's toll on players today. Yes, you can point out the times when Lampard played a 100 games in a row but football has massively evolved since those days, remember when Cesc Fabregas ran past the full Spurs side and scored when he was 19/20? Yet in the past 3 years he's been our slowest player. 

I do mostly agree with what you're saying but I massively disagree with your last paragraph with the exception of one thing, yes it's hindsight, it's massive hindsight. Costa had to go, he wanted to go, what did you expect Conte to do? Offer him a new contract? The bloke made it quite clear he didn't want to be here anymore. As for a mean partnership, we haven't played in a formation with two strikers since 2009, those days are long gone. I also would have hated to see Costa and Morata playing together personally, but that's my opinion. Unless you mean rotation wise, well the only way you're keeping Diego is if you give him a big fat cheque, so Diego sits happily on the sidelines and does what? Nothing? Meanwhile, we would have ended in the exact same situation with Morata. I don't see how the Costa situation could have been any different or better if he had stayed given the repercussions that would've happened if we managed to keep him, I think you have to write that one off I'm afraid.  

Conte & the board have made mistakes this season but Conte is still a great manager, we can't keep sacking managers every time we have a bad season after wining the league..we need some consistency & we need to give Conte a chance to learn from it & take us foward the next season. Let's see what happens, hope he stays..would like to see how he turns things around next season . 

He still won't give up on his story of the media don't know what they are talking about and he'll be here next season

4 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

He still won't give up on his story of the media don't know what they are talking about and he'll be here next season

Very low order of probability on that one.

 

5 hours ago, Preno11 said:

Conte & the board have made mistakes this season but Conte is still a great manager, we can't keep sacking managers every time we have a bad season after wining the league..we need some consistency & we need to give Conte a chance to learn from it & take us foward the next season. Let's see what happens, hope he stays..would like to see how he turns things around next season . 

I hear what your saying, and in the long run Conte probably is a great manager ( boy was he breath of fresh air last year, the perfect anicdote to Jose- no bitching, no non stop drama), but in the here and now he's not a great manager.

If he was a Red Indian/ Native American he would be called Grey Cloud. 

 

5 hours ago, Preno11 said:

Conte & the board have made mistakes this season but Conte is still a great manager, we can't keep sacking managers every time we have a bad season after wining the league..we need some consistency & we need to give Conte a chance to learn from it & take us foward the next season. Let's see what happens, hope he stays..would like to see how he turns things around next season . 

Why can't Conte learn from his mistakes and turn it around in the same season? If he has been arrogant and won't change this year then why would he next season?

I've really gone from being fond of this guy to hating him in a span of 6 months. His comments and his actions as well as his stubbornness are just mind boggling. I don't think he's a good fit for us at all and I'll be shocked if he's still here next season. Imo, it's a no brainer to get Jardim, even above Tuchel or anyone else. Jardim is exactly the kind of manager that will gel smoothly with this club from top to bottom. We're not changing the board anytime soon so we might as well find a manager that'll work well with them. Antonio Conte, unfortunately, is not that guy.

How can this be our manager???

 

1 hour ago, Barrettinator said:

How can this be our manager???

 

its a click bait headline

did you actually read  the article, he said that the club should accept that we'll playing in Europa league next season

i don't know what he said is wrong