For the first time that I can think of, we have a manager who doesn’t want to be here, a board who don’t want him here yet we are waiting to part with him? What exactly is it that we are waiting for? I’m not aware of any term in his contract that means it will be considerably more expensive to sack him now than when the season ends?

 

Conte is determined to prove that he was right about the underinvestment in the squad and the board seem hell bent on hanging him out to dry. It really does seem like a perfect storm which is just circulling around us and won’t dissipate.

 

For what its it’s worth I really rate Conte and I’m certain he will be a success wherever he goes next. Unfortunately for reasons unbeknown to us, we seem to have a deep rooted problem at board level with giving any of our managers freedom in the transfer market. Sadly whilever that is the case we won’t ever get a manager who can build a dynasty and bring through youth players, instead, we will hire coaches to get the best out of what they have, until such point that they want more and the board won’t sanction it. 

 

Irrespective of what happens in the last few weeks of this season, thanks for everything last year, Antonio and all the best for the future. 

38 minutes ago, TheChelsRVA said:

Say what you want about missed chances today. It’s all coulda woulda shoulda. Our results speak for themselves in 2018. Laughable Prem performances all fall on Conte’s shoulders. Should part ways with him now, he’s causing more harm with every game he manages. 

What difference would it make if we sacked the manager? We are going to be in this same sh*t situation again next season or the season after. It doesn't matter who is managing the team, the problems will still exist.

It's a collective problem, there isn't one single problem with the club, there is a whole load of them, it's been this way since Roman took over. 

We have had world class coach's at this club, how many more do we have to go through before we realise they aren't the problem? I'm not saying they are completely without blame, because they aren't, but why should all of the blame ALWAYS land at their feet when it's clearly not all their fault?

Mourinho twice, Ancelotti, Conte, all world class coach's that have taken all of the blame when things go wrong, i'm sick of it. 

Who's next, Allegri ? Sarri ? Ancelotti again? enough is enough, there are much more deep rooted problems with the club than this. The players and board members are just as much to blame for this sh*t we always find ourselves in.

If PSG (or another club) comes in and takes Conte away from us, then Chelsea don't have to pay out his contract.

That's probably the only reason he's still at Chelsea as his constant complaining has well and truly soured the relationship by now.

We had top 4 in our hands in January but Conte’s sulking has hurt us badly. Only 3 PL wins in 2018. Says it all. 

9 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

What difference would it make if we sacked the manager? We are going to be in this same sh*t situation again next season or the season after. It doesn't matter who is managing the team, the problems will still exist.

It's a collective problem, there isn't one single problem with the club, there is a whole load of them, it's been this way since Roman took over. 

We have had world class coach's at this club, how many more do we have to go through before we realise they aren't the problem? I'm not saying they are completely without blame, because they aren't, but why should all of the blame ALWAYS land at their feet when it's clearly not all their fault?

Mourinho twice, Ancelotti, Conte, all world class coach's that have taken all of the blame when things go wrong, i'm sick of it. 

Who's next, Allegri ? Sarri ? Ancelotti again? enough is enough, there are much more deep rooted problems with the club than this. The players and board members are just as much to blame for this sh*t we always find ourselves in.

Conte isn’t a world class manager. I will be shocked if he ends up anywhere other than in Italy.

Sums up our season really, go 1-0 up, fail to kill the game off and then concede and throw away points.

Top 4 definitely gone now, I can't even see us winning all our games let alone Liverpool & Spurs losing 3 or 4 games before the season ends.

Ironic that it was a substitution that changed the game for them as that is definitely one of Conte's weakest points.

Whoever is to blame the most for this slump, and imo the board, the players and the manager have all made mistakes, 5 wins out of 20 games is very poor form.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Qaz said:

If PSG (or another club) comes in and takes Conte away from us, then Chelsea don't have to pay out his contract.

That's probably the only reason he's still at Chelsea as his constant complaining has well and truly soured the relationship by now.

Why would PSG want him. He hasn't got the tactical nous to beat West Ham, Watford or Bournemouth. Could only beat Norwich on penalties. What chance against the elite of europe.

4 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Conte isn’t a world class manager. I will be shocked if he ends up anywhere other than in Italy.

Then who are the world class managers? One season where things go wrong at this club and all of a sudden the manager isn't good enough and should be sacked. It's the same sh*t, rinse and repeat.

Edited April 8, 20188 yr by Scott Harris

18 minutes ago, sabin6912 said:

For the first time that I can think of, we have a manager who doesn’t want to be here, a board who don’t want him here yet we are waiting to part with him? What exactly is it that we are waiting for? I’m not aware of any term in his contract that means it will be considerably more expensive to sack him now than when the season ends?

 

Conte is determined to prove that he was right about the underinvestment in the squad and the board seem hell bent on hanging him out to dry. It really does seem like a perfect storm which is just circulling around us and won’t dissipate.

 

For what its it’s worth I really rate Conte and I’m certain he will be a success wherever he goes next. Unfortunately for reasons unbeknown to us, we seem to have a deep rooted problem at board level with giving any of our managers freedom in the transfer market. Sadly whilever that is the case we won’t ever get a manager who can build a dynasty and bring through youth players, instead, we will hire coaches to get the best out of what they have, until such point that they want more and the board won’t sanction it. 

 

Irrespective of what happens in the last few weeks of this season, thanks for everything last year, Antonio and all the best for the future. 

Im almost tempted to believe that our board are hoping/wanting him to agree a move to another club, and a mutual parting happen.  No payoff that way AFAIK

we are not winning the FA cup if he's still in charge. be lucky to get out of the semi final with southampton. he doesn't have a clue right now, or simply doesn't want to have one. 

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

Then who are the world class managers then? One season where things go wrong at this club and all of a sudden the manager isn't good enough and should be sacked. It's the same sh*t, rinse and repeat.

The calls for him to be sacked have been brought on by himself too though.  And its his own fault he has pissed the board off, allegedly. 

Regardless of what he says in the media, when will our fans realise he does not want to be here.  It's blatant. And to the fans still absolving him of any blame (which i do see on social media)... give your heads a wobble

 

"We are overachieving"  "these are not my signings" etc etc  how can you expect a player to give a f**k when they hear that, almost weekly. Jose did it, Conte is doing it and our seasons went to sh*t.  Players read the news

 

Ancelotti i dont remember doing it and he finished 2nd players stuck with him, wrongly sacked.  Stop throwing players under the bus

Edited April 8, 20188 yr by RickUK

2 minutes ago, RickUK said:

The calls for him to be sacked have been brought on by himself too though.  And its his own fault he has pissed the board off, allegedly. 

Even if he hadn't said anything though, we would still be getting the same comments asking for him to be sacked. Every single time it goes wrong at this club, it's the same reaction. After every defeat it's the same thing......sack the manager. Where is this getting us? From what i can see, we are just going around in circles and i think it's beginning to take it's toll on the club. What other team in world football goes from Champions to mediocrity within a few months? We have now done it twice in 3 years.

Conte has been an idiot for being so defeatist since the season began, i can't make excuses for that, but even if he was a bit more upbeat like last season, we would still have struggled this season. It's been obvious since mid June that we were heading down this route again, and it will happen again with the next manager, and the one after that, and the one after that, unless the club finally get's it's act together and starts working as a team. Never have i seen such a disconnect between board, manager, players and fans as often as i have seen at Chelsea. It's a miracle we have had any success with the way our club is run.

2 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Even if he hadn't said anything though, we would still be getting the same comments asking for him to be sacked. Every single time it goes wrong at this club, it's the same reaction. After every defeat it's the same thing......sack the manager. Where is this getting us? From what i can see, we are just going around in circles and i think it's beginning to take it's toll on the club. What other team in world football goes from Champions to mediocrity within a few months? We have now done it twice in 3 years.

Conte has been an idiot for being so defeatist since the season began, i can't make excuses for that, but even if he was a bit more upbeat like last season, we would still have struggled this season. It's been obvious since mid June that we were heading down this route again, and it will happen again with the next manager, and the one after that, and the one after that, unless the club finally get's it's act together and starts working as a team. Never have i seen such a disconnect between board, manager, players and fans as often as i have seen at Chelsea. It's a miracle we have had any success with the way our club is run.

Roman needs to rip it up. Get football people on the board, ex players of ours who love the club get given a role of some sort.  

Problem is they're all his sibneft buddies.

26 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Then who are the world class managers? One season where things go wrong at this club and all of a sudden the manager isn't good enough and should be sacked. It's the same sh*t, rinse and repeat.

Heynckes

Allegri

Guardiola

Valverde?

Zidane?

Simeone

Pochettino

Sarri

Klopp

Jardim

Tuchel

Holan??

 

1 minute ago, ducavis said:

Heynckes

Allegri

Guardiola

Valverde?

Zidane?

Simeone

Pochettino

Sarri

Klopp

Jardim

Tuchel

Holan??

 

can we sign them on loan, given they won't last more than 1-2 seasons ;)

Allegri is basically Conte. 

Sarri, Tuchel, Jardim have won nothing so far.

Holan has a cup in South America.

So whats the criteria for world class manager?

33 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Then who are the world class managers? One season where things go wrong at this club and all of a sudden the manager isn't good enough and should be sacked. It's the same sh*t, rinse and repeat.

If we're going to keep the most of the current squad next season I'm confident Domenico Tedesco would be an upgrade on Conte tbh. Conte deserves credit where it's due for transforming our season last year but I'm starting to think either Conte is burnt out, or simply dim witted. As someone rightly alluded to above Conte rarely makes changes proactively.

1 minute ago, Stim said:

Allegri is basically Conte. 

Sarri, Tuchel, Jardim have won nothing so far.

Holan has a cup in South America.

So whats the criteria for world class manager?

Pochettino has also won nothing, he's been the perfect example of a nearly man at this point in his career.

Also, Klopp.......this guy had Dortmund near relegation for most of his last season at Dortmund, and that is a league where only two teams are actually any good. Could you imagine the reaction on here if Klopp had us near the bottom of the table for so long? The same people praising him now would be asking for him to be sacked. If Klopp is allowed an off season, why isn't Conte? Klopp also struggles with the cups, he's lost his last 5 finals in a row. People complain about Conte not winning any cups, but Klopp has become known for losing finals.  

1 minute ago, Stim said:

Allegri is basically Conte. 

Sarri, Tuchel, Jardim have won nothing so far.

Holan has a cup in South America.

So whats the criteria for world class manager?

Allegri has shown more tactical nous than Conte, and he has lead Juve to 2 CL finals.

Sarri & Tuchel have never won the league but their sides are aesthetically better than a Conte side. They have also had to compete with 2 sides who have won multiple league titles on the bounce in Juve & Bayern. Jardim won the league 2 seasons ago I think.

You should be tactically flexible and proactive in affecting the game. Personally he is well overrated by our fans. Juve have been better in Europe since he left and won 6 titles in a row, so winning the league with Juve is like PSG dominating Ligue 1. Winning the league last season with us playing one game a week can be done, like Leicester showed the prior season.

31 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Even if he hadn't said anything though, we would still be getting the same comments asking for him to be sacked. Every single time it goes wrong at this club, it's the same reaction. After every defeat it's the same thing......sack the manager. Where is this getting us? From what i can see, we are just going around in circles and i think it's beginning to take it's toll on the club. What other team in world football goes from Champions to mediocrity within a few months? We have now done it twice in 3 years.

Conte has been an idiot for being so defeatist since the season began, i can't make excuses for that, but even if he was a bit more upbeat like last season, we would still have struggled this season. It's been obvious since mid June that we were heading down this route again, and it will happen again with the next manager, and the one after that, and the one after that, unless the club finally get's it's act together and starts working as a team. Never have i seen such a disconnect between board, manager, players and fans as often as i have seen at Chelsea. It's a miracle we have had any success with the way our club is run.

It's been obvious since mid June? This season was going quite well till the end of December then the performances nose dived dramatically. The performance of Conte as manger from January till now has been bloody dreadful. Conte has made many mistakes this year which he will never admit, if his not willing to admit those mistakes this season then he won't next season. Plus the major factor is Conte doesn't want to be at the club himself, someone who decides to critise the club at every chance he has to cover his own back clearly wants out.

Why would PSG want him. He hasn't got the tactical nous to beat West Ham, Watford or Bournemouth. Could only beat Norwich on penalties. What chance against the elite of europe.

Short memory?

 

He took us from 10th to 1st in the league with (at best) the 3rd best squad. And lead a change in tactics in half the teams in the league.

 

He's definitely got his problems and letting him go is the right thing to do (at the end of the season at least). But let's not whitewash history.

 

Last season was still a huge achievement

Just now, Ernie_blue said:

It's been obvious since mid June? This season was going quite well till the end of December then the performances nose dived dramatically. The performance of Conte as manger from January till now has been bloody dreadful. Conte has made many mistakes this year which he will never admit, if his not willing to admit those mistakes this season then he won't next season. Plus the major factor is Conte doesn't want to be at the club himself, someone who decides to critise the club at every chance he has to cover his own back clearly wants out.

The same grumbles that has plagued this club since Roman took over started in June. You could see it unfolding with the lack of movement in the transfer window, then pre-season was hit and miss, the season started very poorly, the seeds were planted. Things got a bit better, but that was mainly because Hazard was in top form, as soon as his form dipped a bit, we nose dived, like we always do. Now the players have completely shut down, the manager has given up and the board are probably preparing to swing that axe once again. It will be the same under the next manager. 

Like i said, it's not one problem at the club, there is a whole load of them.

5 hours ago, Slojo said:

So I agree and disagree but normalising our current scenario because of the past isn't logical, so to argue rationality I would say look at that perspective. 

 

With only 1 year left on his contract, you wouldn't imagine it would that costly to sack conte, there has been at least 4 Monday's, that I've been checking to see if he's got the boot. 

The silence from the club is deafening. 

Conte is a quality manager, but I feel too much has happened now for us to move forward with him in charge. 

We need fresh ideas, and fresh personnel right through the club.