I agree with the suggestion that Mourinho was angling for the Man U job since last summer. He got himself a new 4-year Chelsea deal last summer as an insurance policy and then spent the next few months (a) sabotaging Chelsea and (b) lining up his redundancy payment. Comments he made to football focus in May last year made it clear he was tarting himself around other PL clubs. Anyway, no doubt Abramovich will have learned little from this latest managerial episode but I am very happy the Mourinho soap opera will now happen in rainy Salford. Let's hope Conte gets a decent chance.

Its funny, reading some posts you'd think Mourinho only went to clubs who were winning the quadruple every year before he joined just to smash the team into a useless bunch of fools.

 

You'd wonder why the biggest clubs in the world are chasing him with mega money with such a track record.

 

Mourinho has many flaws but destroying successful clubs is not one of them. Clubs in a successful period tend to not need his services.

I agree with the suggestion that Mourinho was angling for the Man U job since last summer. He got himself a new 4-year Chelsea deal last summer as an insurance policy and then spent the next few months (a) sabotaging Chelsea and (b) lining up his redundancy payment. Comments he made to football focus in May last year made it clear he was tarting himself around other PL clubs. Anyway, no doubt Abramovich will have learned little from this latest managerial episode but I am very happy the Mourinho soap opera will now happen in rainy Salford. Let's hope Conte gets a decent chance.

If you honestly believe that then you're clearly a bit of a nutter

If you honestly believe that then you're clearly a bit of a nutter

If he wins the league, I am sure these same people will make up an excuse of how unworthy he is to win.

You watch Jose return to his old self again after securing his life time ambition job. I can just see it. He never seemed happy second time around with us. He's finally got his job that he's always wanted.

Well, his attitude surely changed somewhat, between offering the necessary assurances to get his 4 year contract and actually getting down to it. If Mr Abramovich, had any doubts about Jose's commitment on 7 August after the summer break then he would have been wiser to offer him 2 years not 4.

So how does any guy go from pitching for a long term contract, to giving up, without  some sort of hidden agenda? Not to say this does not happen, but any lack of inspiration on the part of Jose' would not come overnight, would it? So given his hankering for fergies' old job and his obvious skill and ability as a leader & inspiration, walking away was not an option (breach of contract penalties) What better way than to secure a 4 year contract, then let everything crash and burn until he got some sort of cut-off payment to go on gardening leave. "Not needing the money", never meant he would sniff at a release payment. So lets do the math eh? Get the contract, trash the job, wait til the publicity dies down (as it has), then do the deal for fergies old job.

Oh my what a mad few months. So it looks like he is going to Manchester and to be honest I don't really give a monkey's. I will enjoy listening to all the Utd fans now backtracking on their comments for the last ten years about Jose being the enemy of football and now being the Messiah. I will wish him well but not professionally, at this stage I'm more interested in our new governor and Chelsea Football Club.

just read that while they were waiting for the season to end, United paid Jose £4m just to stop him from taking up any other offers. He's going to be £15m (I think this is for a 5 year contract) and there's an alleged £200m war chest to waste on new players

just read that while they were waiting for the season to end, United paid Jose £4m just to stop him from taking up any other offers. He's going to be £15m (I think this is for a 5 year contract) and there's an alleged £200m war chest to waste on new players

 

If you mean luring away all our top targets by "waste" then you're alright.

Oh my what a mad few months. So it looks like he is going to Manchester and to be honest I don't really give a monkey's. I will enjoy listening to all the Utd fans now backtracking on their comments for the last ten years about Jose being the enemy of football and now being the Messiah. I will wish him well but not professionally, at this stage I'm more interested in our new governor and Chelsea Football Club.

 

Hilarious isn't it ? what a turn around. They have gone from thinking he was sh*t to thinking he is brilliant. Made tits of themselves really.

You watch Jose return to his old self again after securing his life time ambition job. I can just see it. He never seemed happy second time around with us. He's finally got his job that he's always wanted.

 

That's just stupid. He already had his "dream" job, Real is THE club for most Spanish/Portuguese speakers. He is never happy if he doesn't get his own way, and he won't at Man U, they have both player power since Fergie left and a management with a trigger finger. They are not the stable club they once were and he won't get his way in every transfer window so expect a meltdown at some stage. The guy has one gear, all the agro, conspiracies, fighting, moaning are all his wayof getting extra from the players and creating an us vs them mentality. This works for a bit but is exhausting longer term, players now are not of the Lamps, Terry, Drogba bread, they are now powder puff millenials who don't take well to criticism and conflict.  

Spot on.

Some really ungrateful brats on here, so he let a couple of good players leave...name me 1 manager who hasn't done.

We couldn't buy a title for love nor money before he came back. We spent well over £100 million trying it. Torres, Luiz, Mata, Oscar, Hazard...they all came in but it took Jose to bring it back to the Bridge.

Yes he ballsed it up in the end but he built a squad that strolled the league. Players downed tools and Jose lost the dressing room. It had nothing to do with selling KDB and Lukaku.

The title will be harder than ever to win now he's with United so people should remember what an achievement it actually is to win it.

 

WTF are you talking about. Post 2010 title we got a couple of players in but were still relying on old players like Lamps with no legs, we didn't do a proper rebuild and got lumped with AVB who sent us backwards with his suicidal tactics. Then the dying team had one last breath in the 2012 which was both a blessing and a curse as it pressured the board to give a new contract to a guy they didn't really believe in. This lead to a few more signings and the first stage of a proper rebuild, they sacked Di Matteo as expected and made a poor choice in the Fat waiter but ultimately there were signs some things were coming together, we won the EL and Hazard-Mata-Oscar looked a rough but promising trio. Jose came in and our worst position, striker, took a further year to sort out but we had clearly rebuilt the side and were heading the right way. Jose is not the only manager in the world that can compete for trophies and that side last year could have won the league with at least half a dozen other managers.  

 

Last season was the only one since 2010 that we've had a proper rebuilt side, most of which was done WITHOUT Jose. We also had our best ever moment as a club WITHOUT Jose. It's not like Oscar, Hazard, Mata, Costa came in and we waited 5 years for something to happen until the hero on his white horse trotted in. 

WTF are you talking about. Post 2010 title we got a couple of players in but were still relying on old players like Lamps with no legs, we didn't do a proper rebuild and got lumped with AVB who sent us backwards with his suicidal tactics. Then the dying team had one last breath in the 2012 which was both a blessing and a curse as it pressured the board to give a new contract to a guy they didn't really believe in. This lead to a few more signings and the first stage of a proper rebuild, they sacked Di Matteo as expected and made a poor choice in the Fat waiter but ultimately there were signs some things were coming together, we won the EL and Hazard-Mata-Oscar looked a rough but promising trio. Jose came in and our worst position, striker, took a further year to sort out but we had clearly rebuilt the side and were heading the right way. Jose is not the only manager in the world that can compete for trophies and that side last year could have won the league with at least half a dozen other managers.  

 

Last season was the only one since 2010 that we've had a proper rebuilt side, most of which was done WITHOUT Jose. We also had our best ever moment as a club WITHOUT Jose. It's not like Oscar, Hazard, Mata, Costa came in and we waited 5 years for something to happen until the hero on his white horse trotted in. 

I think that's a little misleading. Let's be honest, good luck played a huge part in our Champions League triumph, it had little to do with RDM. Of course, this luck was more than deserved, as many times when we (in my opinion) did deserve to win the CL we were undone by bad luck. Nevertheless, we were far from the best club in England when we conquered Europe.

Edited May 24, 201610 yr by CFC-Forever

I think that's a little misleading. Let's be honest, good luck played a huge part in our Champions League triumph, it had little to do with RDM. Of course, this luck was more than deserved, as many times when we (in my opinion) did deserve to win the CL we were undone by bad luck. Nevertheless, we were far from the best club in England when we conquered Europe.

Don't get me wrong the Champions League win in 2012 was a huge moment for the club but I regard our title-winning drought of 2005 as being more exciting and significant, at least in my eyes.

 

It really galvanised the club for years to come along with our League Cup win in 2005.

I heard one of his top targets is Matic.  Also, if he is so set on Stones, I'd be happy for us to stop being linked with him.

 

Thanks for everything Jose, but as you said about Lamaprd when he left "The Love Affair is over"

 

 

PS.  That doesn't mean I don't like Jose or appreciate all he has done.  He's an opposition manager now, and that's it 

He won't have it easy next season. So many predicting he'll have success but he will never have been in a league filled with talented coaches like next season. He will be up against conte and pep unlike wenger and pellegrini. He already lost the head to head vs klopp this season gone. His tactics are outdated now and he's way too cautious still. The signing of ibrahimovic just proves he's still extremely short sighted when utd already have talented strikers making an impact. We can still be grateful for what he helped us to achieve, but I don't think he's the same tactical genius any more. That coach who was defensively astute, is now longer and now we have simeone and conte who both are defensively astute, the former beating him at his own game. Maybe he will prove us all wrong, but I just don't see it tbh.

Edited May 24, 201610 yr by enigma

I actually still don't get all the KDB nonsense looked a star for City early on yet faded away later. People are talking like he delivered City the title. They finished 4th.

 

 

I think with KDB you are right - there has been a certain amount of hype. But he did have a very decent season (and that was with a few months out injured) and most of us would still rather have him as an option rather than see him playing at City. And when you look at his season and say Oscar's - that's when I begin to weep....!

He won't have it easy next season. So many predicting he'll have success but he will never have been in a league filled with talented coaches like next season. He will be up against conte and pep unlike wenger and pellegrini. He already lost the head to head vs klopp this season gone. His tactics are outdated now and he's way too cautious still. The signing of ibrahimovic just proves he's still extremely short sighted when utd already have talented strikers making an impact. We can still be grateful for what he helped us to achieve, but I don't think he's the same tactical genius any more. That coach who was defensively astute, is now longer and now we have simeone and conte who both are defensively astute, the former beating him at his own game. Maybe he will prove us all wrong, but I just don't see it tbh.

He's a proven winner, and that's all there is to it, in my opinion. True, Jose's a short term fix, but he does guarantee trophies. He will (unfortunately) bring United success.

I think Jose will stay at United longer than he did for both his stints with us. It's the job he's always wanted and he won't blow it or let it go easily.

I think Jose will stay at United longer than he did for both his stints with us. It's the job he's always wanted and he won't blow it or let it go easily.

By the end of his career, I'd hate to think he sees himself more as a Manchester United person rather than as a Chelsea person.

 

I know things went sour towards the end on both occasions but I'd like to think he has fond memories of his time with us after his coaching career ends and he can look back on his career one day.

Edited May 24, 201610 yr by Jezz

By the end of his career, I'd hate to think he sees himself more as Manchester United person rather than as a Chelsea person.

 

I know things went sour towards the end on both occasions but I'd like to think he has fond memories of his time with us after his coaching career ends and he can look back on his career one day.

 

That is the trouble with modern football. I know managers have always moved around but look at some of the successful managers in the past - Shankly & Paisley at Liverpool, Busby & Ferguson at Utd & Wenger at Arsenal.

 

Now look at all the top / sort after coaches - Mourinho, Guadiola, Ancelotti, Benitez. It's like a continual managerial merry-go-round and none of them can really be identified with any one club. And they say the players are the mercenaries.

I see the Mourinho revisionism is well and truly in full swing already.

I see the Mourinho revisionism is well and truly in full swing already.

 

I think deep down, we all knew Mourinho was a c**t. It's only now our suspicions are being fully realised!!

Has there ever been a manager that has gone from managing a club where he is a legend to another domestic club who are near-ish rivals?

The only one I can think of is Rafa with us - from Liverpool to Chelsea. Really struggling with anyone else?

Has there ever been a manager that has gone from managing a club where he is a legend to another domestic club who are near-ish rivals?

The only one I can think of is Rafa with us - from Liverpool to Chelsea. Really struggling with anyone else?

 

George Graham went to Spurs having been successful manager at Arsenal.