Excuse me?

It's revisionist bullsh*t to depict Mourinho as a failure during his second stint. A complete fabrication of the truth.

Best squad in England over the whole three year period? Give me a break.

 

Our squad was excellent in 2014/2015 (questionable whether it was the best in terms of talent and quality) after a few inclusions in the form of Costa, Fabregas and Luis in the summer and seeing Matic and Zouma (winter 2014 signings) develop into solid contributors in the 2014/2015 season, but the 2013/2014 squad was nowhere near the best squad in the league and the 2015/2016 squad was stale and hadn't been refined after an excellent 2014/2015 season.

 

Mourinho overachieved with his squad in his first season return. We fell short from winning the league by four points and reaching the UCL semi finals with an ineffective strike force was remarkable to say the least.

 

Also, it was essentially 2 trophies in 2 seasons. He didn't reach the halfway mark of his third season and we still had the chance of poaching the FA Cup under him with a bit of luck and confidence.

 

The landscape of English football has changed since Mourinho's first stint that winning trophies is harder than ever before with increased competition and pressure.

 

Ineffective strike force? Who's fault was that strike force? Who sent Lukaku out on loan that season and signed Eto'o?

 

We had more chance of being relegated than winning the FA cup lmao.

 

Has it got harder though? Less English teams are challenging in Europe and all the big teams have dropped off. If anything, this was the easiest season for Chelsea to win absolutely everything in England and instead he self destructed and nearly got us relegated. 

 

At the end of the day its all a point of view. You may be happy with one league trophy and a league cup after almost 300 million pounds invested into the club during his tenure. If people are happy to call Pep a failure after everything he achieved at Bayern then Mourinho certainly is. 

i think for a few mourinho has left here leaving a bitter taste in some of our mouths. he will always be held in high regard here, but after his 2nd stint he's left here on a low note and now is going to join bitter rivals in man utd after we've just come out of our worst season due in large part, to jose's own mistakes. he left here having fell out with the medical staff, including one of our best team doctors, as well as letting go of de bruyne, lukaku and luis (of whom have all started showing their true potential once again), then he also continued with certain personnel in the side (i.e. ivanovic) who were making mistake after mistake, yet didn't write the wrongs and we continued dropping points through continuous individual errors when this could well have been rectified if he would have kept certain players at the club. for all his positives as a coach, i don't recall one of the so called top 2/3 coaches in the world leading a team into almost relegation zone after winning the league the previous season. we can appreciate all he did in the first stint and the former years in his second stint, but for the way he left the club and now making the decision to go to a rival in utd, leaves me personally feeling a bit disappointed tbh. there is also now talk he is looking to take our own players from us, that is just the nail in the coffin if it happens. 

Edited May 24, 201610 yr by enigma

He WAS a Chelsea man, but sorry Loz, I don't buy into this is Chelsea and will always be Chelsea.

Sure, we have a lot to be grateful to Jose for. He threw himself into the job and won us sh*t-loads. But he has had all the praise & adulation for that. Had his name sung when he was and even when he wasn't our manager (I hope folk will not be misguided enough to continue to do that once he's at Utd).

There are ex-players who I DO think are Chelsea through & through, even if they did go on to play for other clubs. Ron Harris, Peter Osgood, Bobby Tambling, Kerry Dixon, Lamps & of course JT, to name a few. But not managers and certainly not Mourinho. For some time, I always suspected that it was his intention to end up at Utd. All that chummy stuff with Ferguson over the years. The comments after his Madrid side lost to the "better Utd team". Think there was something in the reports that he was devastated to have been overlooked when SAF retired and the job went to Moyes. Now it seems he has got what he wanted and that will certainly add a bit of spice to our future fixtures with Utd and make beating them all the more enjoyable.

Don't get me wrong Nibs. I hope it goes tits up for him at United purely that it is Utd. I'd want it to go tits up at United even if you were the manager.

However the lack of respect for what he achieved at Chelsea from some people on this thread is ridiculous. Whether or not get always wanted the Utd job is speculation. What he achieved at Chelsea is a matter of fact. That he came back to us after Romans poor decision to sack him is a matter of fact. Sure he got a wedge to do so but he would have earned a wedge anywhere.

I don't see one league title on two years as a low point or a failure. Christ we have become spoiled haven't we.

Don't get me wrong Nibs. I hope it goes tits up for him at United purely that it is Utd. I'd want it to go tits up at United even if you were the manager.

However the lack of respect for what he achieved at Chelsea from some people on this thread is ridiculous. Whether or not get always wanted the Utd job is speculation. What he achieved at Chelsea is a matter of fact. That he came back to us after Romans poor decision to sack him is a matter of fact. Sure he got a wedge to do so but he would have earned a wedge anywhere.

 

Yeah, you're right. I guess we all would like to believe Chelsea was always his No. 1 choice - that we were his true love, but the more I think about it and look back, my gut feeling is Utd was where he had aspirations to be. Could be right / could be wrong but that's where he's about to be whether he engineered it or not?

 

But it's what we touched on in one of the threads a while back - probably this one. This time around and the way it all turned so sour and ended how it did, for me that has tarnished my memory of Mourinho at Chelsea. I know others will say not the case - will always view him as a legend. It's down to individual opinion and I fully respect that but my days of singing "Jose Mourinho" are well and truly over.

Edited May 24, 201610 yr by Nibs

I don't see one league title on two years as a low point or a failure. Christ we have become spoiled haven't we.

Pretty much.

It certainly could be a LONG time before we see another title so it should put it into some perspective. Jose was successful in his second stint, we won the double after years of failing to do anything of note domestically. Jose was the sole reason for that.

It's the way it ended I think which sticks for some people but I don't see that casting a shadow over what he did do beforehand. We were in a bad situation but we didn't back him...we still sacked him rightly or wrongly. Sacking a league winner months after achieving that doesn't sit well with me but on the other hand I can't be harsh on Roman this time because he gave Jose more time than he's given and will probably give anyone else to sort it.

I hope he fails badly at United but that's out of hope more than anything else, I'd put my house on him getting them back among the trophies as he has done it every single time he has moved club...it's an absolute stick on IMO.

I'll never dislike the man because he changed Chelsea football club forever.

Yeah, you're right. I guess we all would like to believe Chelsea was always his No. 1 choice - that we were his true love, but the more I think about it and look back, my gut feeling is Utd was where he had aspirations to be. Could be right / could be wrong but that's where he's about to be whether he engineered it or not?

But it's what we touched on in one of the threads a while back - probably this one. This time around and the way it all turned so sour and ended how it did, for me that has tarnished my memory of Mourinho at Chelsea. I know others will say not the case - will always view him as a legend. It's down to individual opinion and I fully respect that but my days of singing "Jose Mourinho" are well and truly over.

Nah. If we pump them 3 0 next season you can sing it sarcastically.

we all have different opinions on the situation and mourinho so we should all just agree to disagree and draw a line under it all and enjoy our new coach and a new, hopefully successful season. no point arguing amongst ourselves we are all chelsea at the end of the day and what happens from here on is what it is. too much negativity on here recently and want to start feeling more positive about our future instead of focusing on negatives. 

Imo it was Romans millions who changed this club forever and Ranieri was the one that made that happen through that crucial 4th place and laying the foundations.

With the money at our disposal it was only a matter of time before we won the league with or without Jose, but I am very grateful that it was achieved under his tenure.

I just find his meltdown this season unforgiving. He is certainly not one of us as he claimed to be. He is one of them.

I didn't want to believe that his heart was always on Utd but it's now clear that it always has been. Not even playing in the Europa league put him off.

Imo it was Romans millions who changed this club forever and Ranieri was the one that made that happen through that crucial 4th place and laying the foundations.

With the money at our disposal it was only a matter of time before we won the league with or without Jose, but I am very grateful that it was achieved under his tenure.

I just find his meltdown this season unforgiving. He is certainly not one of us as he claimed to be. He is one of them.

I didn't want to believe that his heart was always on Utd but it's now clear that it always has been. Not even playing in the Europa league put him off.

Yeah that is why we have only won once without Jose in roman's 13 year tenure.

Edit. Removing Jose's 5 full seasons with us. Once in 8 years.

Edited May 24, 201610 yr by JoseBlues

Yeah that is why we have only won once without Jose in roman's 13 year tenure.

 

I assume you're just talking about the League?  WE also won the FA Cup, Champions League, and Europa without Jose.

 

Again, not diminishing or downplaying all that Jose gave us.  But we have won without him 

Edited May 24, 201610 yr by mad_mac

I assume you're just talking about the League? WE also won the FA Cup, Champions League, and Europa without Jose.

Again, not diminishing or downplaying all that Jose gave us. But we have won without him

Yup. Look at the post I quoted...

Yeah that is why we have only won once without Jose in roman's 13 year tenure.

Edit. Removing Jose's 5 full seasons with us. Once in 8 years.

Well the 3/4 years after Jose were difficult due to CR7 which took the title away from Jose himself.

Carlo got us glory in 2010 and the years after that we were playing catch up which I agree was down to poor transfer business. We spent alot but could've spent so much better from 2011-2013 (mata and Hazard aside) which wasn't Jose's fault. However, when he did arrive we had so much talent coming back from loans.

I remember the game against Hull, feeling so excited that we had the best manager with a young and exciting squad. All we needed was to keep that squad together, sell the likes of Torres and Mikel and replace them with far better players to take us up a notch.

I just feel that the current squad Jose built was based on short term success.

We really should not be complaining about our crap transfer business last summer on our epic downfall (this excuse just to back Jose really jars me). Perhaps if we just missed out on the title then yes such fine details could be used.

I like Jose. Can't help it to be honest as the bloke has charisma in buckets. However, whatever's happened he's now gunning for CFC, City, us, etc and I think he'll do so single-mindedly. I think he'll put sentiment about CFC behind him except, tbh, where he can use it to sow doubt before matches, etc.

I get the connection that Shedenders have with JM but, respectfully, he has set out for himself and is now at the helm of a side that a lot of us dislike a lot. He'll commit to Utd fully and, in that sense, what's done is done and a new situation, and JM as an adversary, faces us all.

It's gotten to that point that I would rather see City or Arsenal lift the title over United next season. I hope he fails completely. That will be satisfyt

Well the 3/4 years after Jose were difficult due to CR7 which took the title away from Jose himself.

Carlo got us glory in 2010 and the years after that we were playing catch up which I agree was down to poor transfer business. We spent alot but could've spent so much better from 2011-2013 (mata and Hazard aside) which wasn't Jose's fault. However, when he did arrive we had so much talent coming back from loans.

I remember the game against Hull, feeling so excited that we had the best manager with a young and exciting squad. All we needed was to keep that squad together, sell the likes of Torres and Mikel and replace them with far better players to take us up a notch.

I just feel that the current squad Jose built was based on short term success.

We really should not be complaining about our crap transfer business last summer on our epic downfall (this excuse just to back Jose really jars me). Perhaps if we just missed out on the title then yes such fine details could be used.

 

If you remember the 3rd year, where we finished a close 2nd, that was when Roman got complacent and started interfering in transfers. We bought Sheva whom we didn't need and Jose didn't like. That was also a season where we had a lot of injuries. I remember Essien was playing RB for half the season. We had terrible luck but still managed to come close. Ronaldo picked up sure but we could have easily won if we had been a little lucky and the board hadn't started interfering.

 

2010 was great. We played some exciting football. But people seem to forget Carlo's RB subs and the fact that we HAD to win on the very last day to win. We also submitted pretty meekly to Jose's Inter that year. Not taking away from him but that wasn't a side that was really set to dominate for years. It was filled with veterans who were on their last legs and wanted the big hurrah. 

 

Players are hit or miss. Even loaned ones. KDB I think was our biggest mistake but it was him that wanted to leave and not fight for his place. KBD said so himself. Jose never wanted to sell him and he wasn't ready at that time. I still have no problem that we let Lukaku go. He is terrible in possession and is not good enough for a side like ours (Well, maybe for the 10th placed Chelsea, he is).

 

The side he started on wasn't built on short term success. We strolled the league last year but there were glaring deficiencies. We absolutely needed a midfielder and defender and that is why Pogba and Stones were identified. We failed as a club to back him. But that is not the only blame.

 

I honestly think this is what happened. Jose is an intense guy who makes his squad go 120% in every game. His lack of rotation is a problem as well. He genuinely thought that the players need a break after a grueling season and gave them the extended break. 1st mistake. He also thought he will get the requisite backup which he didn't - 2nd mistake. He trusted the players too much (Cesc said so himself) but they came back with beer bellies. 3rd mistake. Jose doesn't handle failure well and went on a massive blame game. Thought that will energize the squad again but it just ended up backfiring on him. 

 

Another thing that is not talked about a lot is the lack of decisions that went our way. If all the correct calls were made in the first 10 games, we would have been top 5 for sure. I was simply amazed at the number of clear decisions that never went our way. We had 2 penalties and that too at the tail end of the season. Compare that with Leicester who had around 13 penalties. There were so many shocking decisions and that added to his anger. Everyone failed and Jose ended up being the fall guy. That is what angers most of us. The players, Emenalo, everyone just walked away scott free. No one shared their blame. 

 

Jose will be better backed at United. I think he wanted to stay long term and hence even signed a 4 year contract at the same salary. He wants to settle down in England. I frankly will not be at all surprised if he stays at United for a long time.

 

I am sure you will disagree and most of the points have been rehashed anyways so will leave it at that.

Edited May 24, 201610 yr by JoseBlues

Some of your points I agree with but all the if we didn't have injuries, if decisions went out way are total nonsense.

Other clubs suffer the same fate. Aguero and Kompany always injured, Utd having to play Carrick in defense multiple times and don't get me started on Arsenals injury record.

I repeat. Just because we didn't get those targets it doesn't mean he wasn't backed. This is not football manager where if you see a target and even bid early, they will sign. He has been backed his whole career. There is a reason why he is the highest spending manager in football history most of which was from Roman.

If Jose wants Pogba, there's a good chance he won't get him.

Some of your points I agree with but all the if we didn't have injuries, if decisions went out way are total nonsense.

Other clubs suffer the same fate. Aguero and Kompany always injured, Utd having to play Carrick in defense multiple times and don't get me started on Arsenals injury record.

I repeat. Just because we didn't get those targets it doesn't mean he wasn't backed. This is not football manager where if you see a target and even bid early, they will sign. He has been backed his whole career. There is a reason why he is the highest spending manager in football history most of which was from Roman.

If Jose wants Pogba, there's a good chance he won't get him.

 

Sure. But last year, it was if Jose wants Pogba, he will get Papy. But whatever

Falcao.....

Falcao.....

You hate him. I get it. Continue praying for him to fail. I will probably do the same as he is at united.

I give Jose 2-3 years at most and wouldn't be surprised if he leaves after 1 season, perhaps by his choice. During which time he'll be made miserable at his job.

Reports are that the board was very split on his appointment.

When you're thrown into a situation where you don't have the support of several important figures, you become a political pawn set up to fail, and you won't get their support no matter what you do.

I speak from personal experience.

I don't see one league title on two years as a low point or a failure. Christ we have become spoiled haven't we.

 

Jose left the team in a much much worse position than when he arrived. 

Jose left the team in a much much worse position than when he arrived. 

 

Or just maybe the team left Jose in a worse position than when he arrived ?

I read a piece earlier about Cantona, even he thinks Jose isnt good for United. Although he does also say he would be the man for the job himself so grain of salt