He should be playing more games. I know Sarri is bound to put more trust into Willian to see games out but at this point with the way Willian is playing we should see CHO starting more games. 

Quotes from Sarri about CHO.

Asked if young players like Hudson-Odoi need to be more patient, the Italian said: "Also the fans sometimes, also the club sometimes, and so I am in the middle. I have to win.

"It's not easy at this level to take the young players from the academy and he's ready to play, not only here, everywhere in Europe."

How many times have we heard variations of this from Chelsea managers over the last twenty years and none of them have just had faith in one of our young players to step up? We’ve created an environment that’s anti-youth development. Worse than any other club in the Premier League.

There have been plenty of opportunities to give CHO game time this season given the injuries to Pedro and poor form of Morata and Willian and it’s boring hearing excuses from a manager yet again about why they’ve not played someone.

Well he played the other day and got injured, what more could Sarri do? I'm sure when he's fit he'll get another opportunity as I can't see the club selling him.

5 minutes ago, Malcolm9 said:

Well he played the other day and got injured, what more could Sarri do? I'm sure when he's fit he'll get another opportunity as I can't see the club selling him.

For a player with CHO’s potential,someone so good that Bayern Munich, one of the biggest clubs in the world, want him, to have made only one league appearance (that was prompted by a first half injury to Pedro) it isn’t really good enough.

We need to be better as a club giving opportunities to our youth players if we want to bring them through otherwise we might as well shut the entire academy down. If CHO isn’t going to get chances, no one will. So we might as well just admit we’re always going to look outwardly rather than in for solutions.

Edited January 2, 20197 yr by ForeverCarefree

32 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Worse than any other club in the Premier League.

Yep, just look at the long line of world-class superstars coming out of the Watford academy every year, and the vast strides forward in footballing ability being created by the ginger Mourinho up at Burnley's academy right takes your breath away.

I share your frustration about CHO and some others, but come on, "Worse than any other club in the Premier League"?????  Some sense of proportion, please.

Edited January 2, 20197 yr by yorkleyblue

Our club seem to have this mentality that they really must try and get out of. We have players who are very highly rated and other (big) clubs are tracking but because we already have them we pretty much overlook them for the shiny, expensive foreign player who must be good as his existing club have whacked a £60M price-tag on his head.

Why can't we just give our own prospects a chance BEFORE we go and spunk loadsa cash on some foreign player who MIGHT be good but could be another Bakayoko or Morata?

 

 

40 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Yep, just look at the long line of world-class superstars coming out of the Watford academy every year, and the vast strides forward in footballing ability being created by the ginger Mourinho up at Burnley's academy right takes your breath away.

I share your frustration about CHO and some others, but come on, "Worse than any other club in the Premier League"?????  Some sense of proportion, please.

It’s been twenty years since we’ve had anyone break through our academy. 

I wont pretend to know the inner workings of Watford’s youth development but I’d be confident in saying they’re giving more minutes to their youth than use in the same period. 

If you’re comfortable about our lack commitment to youth development that’s fine but don’t be sniping at me about a perfectly legitimate complaint and comment. 

Not sniping, just trying to get some sense of proportion into the argument.  If you feel the need to flounce about like a little drama queen with your "worst ever, ever, in the world ever" claims, expect some of us to comment.

I said I share your frustration about CHO, and Tammy and Mount and, and,and,and all the others over the years.  The list goes on.  But gross hyperbole doesn't assist the making of the point, does it?

AND, if, by your own admission, you don't know the inner workings of Watford, and, by definition, all the other premier league teams, then how can you say we are worse than any other club?  Logical fallacy, mate.

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

It’s been twenty years since we’ve had anyone break through our academy. 

I wont pretend to know the inner workings of Watford’s youth development but I’d be confident in saying they’re giving more minutes to their youth than use in the same period. 

If you’re comfortable about our lack commitment to youth development that’s fine but don’t be sniping at me about a perfectly legitimate complaint and comment. 

Depends on what you regard as breaking through?

If you are stingy in your definition and accept nothing less than breaking through and playing their whole careers or the bulk of it here then you are correct, however in my view we have brought Huth, Bertrand, Christensen, Loftus Cheek, Ake and McEachran through to various degrees.

Edited January 2, 20197 yr by Argo

16 minutes ago, Argo said:

Depends on what you regard as breaking through?

If you are stingy in your definition and accept nothing less than breaking through and playing their whole careers or the bulk of it here then you are correct, however in my view we have brought Huth, Bertrand, Christensen, Loftus Cheek, Ake and McEachran through to various degrees.

None of those players have established themselves as first team players and would venture that with the exception of maybe Huth that none have made twenty or more Premier League starts for Chelsea.

Compare that to the likes of United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham during the same period and the number of players they’ve all bought through and for us to not even have one is pretty shocking.

As Sarri said recently, he's stuck in the middle having to make sure we get points, while the fans and the club may shout for the youngsters to get playing time. I'd love to see more of CHO (and others) but I can also see why he's not being rushed in.

 

36 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

None of those players have established themselves as first team players and would venture that with the exception of maybe Huth that none have made twenty or more Premier League starts for Chelsea.

Compare that to the likes of United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham during the same period and the number of players they’ve all bought through and for us to not even have one is pretty shocking.

I could be wrong but wasn't Sterling the only regular Liverpool produced between Gerrard and Alexander Arnold? A little bit better than us but not by much. I don't think United's record is particularly great since the class of 92, the best of the bunch are Fletcher, Evans and Rashford all are in and out of the team.

All those players came through and played or are playing a part of the squad and winning medals, in my view that's coming though even if they did leave in the end.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I could be wrong but wasn't Sterling the only regular Liverpool produced between Gerrard and Alexander Arnold? A little bit better than us but not by much. I don't think United's record is particularly great since the class of 92, the best of the bunch are Fletcher, Evans and Rashford all are in and out of the team.

All those players came through and played or are playing a part of the squad and winning medals, in my view that's coming though even if they did leave in the end.

Sterling was signed from QPR academy at the age of 16 too. So it was more like the case we have with Izzy Brown where the player was largely developed by another club.

I think a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that we have missed out on Champions League twice in the last few seasons & we've actually been out of the championship race quite early on yet we still have struggled to offer minutes to some of the youth. I would much rather finish 6th whilst giving the youth an opportunity to develop than finish 5th using the same starting 11 week in week out. Fair enough we are in the running for a top 4 finish but I just cannot see much difference in terms of output between someone like CHO & Willian on the wing and RLC & Barkley in Central Midfield.

Our rotation of squad of late has been abysmal of late regardless of Manager, Conte, Mourinho & Sarri have all limited the number of changes made in the league, so maybe it's not the Manager but the whole philosophy around the club to prioritize the more experienced individuals over youth which causes huge frustration for the fan base.

Just now, Imran_CFC said:

I would much rather finish 6th whilst giving the youth an opportunity to develop than finish 5th using the same starting 11 week in week out.

Everyone says this til we are in the grit of not finishing top 4. People were happy Christensen got dropped.

19 minutes ago, Stim said:

Everyone says this til we are in the grit of not finishing top 4. People were happy Christensen got dropped.

Fundamentally it comes down to quality of output and the options available, currently there are positions within our team where we have similar if not better youth options than the individuals who are being selected. To be fair to Sarri he has been giving minutes to RLC and CHO but unfortunately due to injury the time has been cut short.

3 hours ago, forbzy said:

Sterling was signed from QPR academy at the age of 16 too. So it was more like the case we have with Izzy Brown where the player was largely developed by another club.

He had just turned 15 when he joined Liverpool. Although he played many of his junior years at QPR, Liverpool defo can take the credit for developing him. QPR lost him a couple months after turning 14. Many players go wayward at that age and don't even make it pro and end up at semi-pro teams if not with a club at all. Liverpool developed him largely for where he is now for sure. We can't claim to have largely developed the likes of Declan Rice etc as if he stayed at the academy he most likely would not be playing in the PL now.

7 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

It’s been twenty years since we’ve had anyone break through our academy. 

I wont pretend to know the inner workings of Watford’s youth development but I’d be confident in saying they’re giving more minutes to their youth than use in the same period. 

If you’re comfortable about our lack commitment to youth development that’s fine but don’t be sniping at me about a perfectly legitimate complaint and comment. 

Watford buy a lot of young players but don't really promote from within their own academy, they simply don't have the talent at their disposal. Everton would perhaps be a better example. I understand your point though, while I appreciate and even agree with not giving the likes of Tammy, Nat Chalobah, and even Loftus-Cheek opportunities in the first team for me when a talent like CHO comes along we need to give him minutes. I'd even go as far to say selling Hazard may not be end of the world if it means opening the door for him.

Edited January 2, 20197 yr by the special one

If CHO is sold on for 20- 40 mill, I am sure the club see that as a sum towards the purchase of CP.

Same as Tibo the 35 mill took 50 % of the price of Kepa. Perhaps the club has the Academy as a potential creator of 1st team stars and also just as importantly, as a business in developing assets that can be sold on. These in turn subsidize the purchase of proven developed players from other clubs. The club just announced record turnover and profits. Like any huge business in any industry there appears to no longer be room for sentiment.  On a personal note I'd rather see a punt be taken on the likes of CHO, Tammy, Ampadu etc. rather than 60 mill on an unproven in the prem 20 year old or a bench striker from a top 5 European club.  The club though may feel and act differently, and I have to respect that.

9 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

How many times have we heard variations of this from Chelsea managers over the last twenty years and none of them have just had faith in one of our young players to step up? We’ve created an environment that’s anti-youth development. Worse than any other club in the Premier League.

There have been plenty of opportunities to give CHO game time this season given the injuries to Pedro and poor form of Morata and Willian and it’s boring hearing excuses from a manager yet again about why they’ve not played someone.

If it's loads of managers all doing the same thing, the problem isn't the managers.

"I have to win" Sarri said.

That's the reality for any manager who comes here, someone who is a legend like Mourinho, or someone who is a novice like RDM. You win. You win now. Doesn't even matter if you won the league or the CL 6 months ago. Win or you're gone. Win the FA cup and you'll be sack on the first day or pre-season. The problem isn't the current manager, or any past manager. The problem is "the club" and the buck stops with Roman. Like you say, we've created this culture at the club. Or rather, Roman did. 

I'm over blaming managers for "not playing the kids". The problem is the club. Not the managers and not "the kids". 

A 'B' premiership would be a nice solution, or big teams like Chelsea have two teams but then that might be complicated to administer.

Ruben seems to be getting lots of minutes, so it’s not all negative. I hope we can see more of CHO too, but at the end of the day the manager is seeing them on the training ground every day. If he’s ready, he’ll get the chances and from there it’s up to him to make the most of them.

1 minute ago, Kentonio said:

Ruben seems to be getting lots of minutes, so it’s not all negative. I hope we can see more of CHO too, but at the end of the day the manager is seeing them on the training ground every day. If he’s ready, he’ll get the chances and from there it’s up to him to make the most of them.

His raw talent might be just what we need, sometimes players just running to the byline can cause havoc in an otherwise well drilled defence.

Just now, charierre said:

His raw talent might be just what we need, sometimes players just running to the byline can cause havoc in an otherwise well drilled defence.

But then other times their lack of tactical understanding can ensure they do nothing useful, and hand possession to the opposition repeatedly.

5 minutes ago, charierre said:

His raw talent might be just what we need, sometimes players just running to the byline can cause havoc in an otherwise well drilled defence.

I think Sarri has a preference for the false 9 system now that it's obvious to him that he can't rely on his genuine strikers. If Hazard does adapt to play as a false 9, then Hudson-Odoi may very well get more game time as he can then play on that LW, his favoured position.