1 hour ago, Strider6003 said:

We are in a dogfight for 4th, is he better than Willian or Hazard?

If he is, surely Sarri would see that in training and be looking to play him rather than just his 3 appearances this season. 

I don't think it's a case of whether he is better technically or skillfully, it's about experience which he has very little of at the moment, whereas Willian / Hazard and others have in abundance.  Unfortunately you only get that by playing and making mistakes, which Sarri and his predecessors were not prepared to take that risk.

25 minutes ago, coco said:

Yeah then we can go out and spend the money on proven players like Drinkwater, Morata, Bakayoko, Emerson, Zappacosta, Giroud, Barkley, ..............

This is the point isn't it. Regardless of whether he is one of our own, or his age, money or anything else. Where does he rank within teh overall squad.

In order to develop you must always prune your squad and always add quality. If you ensure that the weakest players leave and better players come in then the squad will improve. If the stronger players leave the squad will weaken, it stands to reason.

Looking at the squad, as a whole, today, regardless of potential and the age of players like Pedro, do we belive that Moses is better than CHO. With all that CHO has to learn i still think he is better than Moses.

Ergo, it may be a simple view, but if we let CHO leave and keep Moses, we will surely be weakening our squad.

Similarly allowing Fabregas to leave and keeping Bakayoko is weakening us further.

 

IMHO of course

57 minutes ago, dkw said:

So will Munich, usually from whoever finished 2nd and 3rd in their league.... 

They did not bay any players for a huge fee this summer. They got in Alphonso Davies from that MLS team for the future. He won't be happy regarding them trying to get CHO. Goretkza came in on a free. And I think them willing to spend that amount on him, shows they are willing to play him. Look how many chances Gnabry has got this season, who struggled to get into the Arsenal team. CHO has a higher ceiling than Gnabry for sure.

40 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

I don't think it's a case of whether he is better technically or skillfully, it's about experience which he has very little of at the moment, whereas Willian / Hazard and others have in abundance.  Unfortunately you only get that by playing and making mistakes, which Sarri and his predecessors were not prepared to take that risk.

Then it's down to the club to find good loan assignments, IMO.

If Bayern who buy Rights are bigger than us want CHO, we should resist and play the guy, he looks a real good player, come on chelsea we don't need Bayerns Euros, persist with the young lads

If he were to move to Bayern for £30m he'd be their 7th most-expensive purchase in history. If he moved for closer to £40m he'd be their record signing, surpassing Corentin Tolisso (€41.5m).

 

They are still a bigger club, so nicking one of our assets so they can be like Dortmund and hopefully find their own Jadon Sancho, we should say no

Bottom line he has 18 months left on his contract he won’t sign an extension currently (4 obvious reason of not playing 1st team football & signing CP won’t have helped the boys chances, he knows that !) so the club will be sorely tempted to avoid a Tibo situation and cash in now if a serious offer comes up - like Bayern’s. 

8 minutes ago, General said:

Bottom line he has 18 months left on his contract he won’t sign an extension currently (4 obvious reason of not playing 1st team football & signing CP won’t have helped the boys chances, he knows that !) so the club will be sorely tempted to avoid a Tibo situation and cash in now if a serious offer comes up - like Bayern’s. 

Yep. He seems absolutely determined to leave and it's hard to blame either him or Chelsea tbf.

No matter what other fans say, Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Pulisic, even Loftus-Cheek as a winger ARE better than Hudson-Odoi at present, and we simply cannot offer him the game time he's demanding before his contract runs out and we lose him for free. Fans will reply saying "oh well I don't mind a slight dip in our form if it means giving a chance to youngsters" every day until we fail to qualify for next seasons's Champions League.

Bayern on the other hand can guarantee him far more regular game time owing to the greater quality disparity in the Bundesliga that affords them the opportunity to blood youngsters in easily winnable games that we never have.

It's an unfortunate circumstance that will now only get worse; but £30m+ is the best way out of it.

Sell Willian, keep CHO and rotate him with Pedro. 

6 hours ago, Fatty_Speeding said:

Yep. He seems absolutely determined to leave and it's hard to blame either him or Chelsea tbf.

No matter what other fans say, Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Pulisic, even Loftus-Cheek as a winger ARE better than Hudson-Odoi at present, and we simply cannot offer him the game time he's demanding before his contract runs out and we lose him for free. Fans will reply saying "oh well I don't mind a slight dip in our form if it means giving a chance to youngsters" every day until we fail to qualify for next seasons's Champions League.

Bayern on the other hand can guarantee him far more regular game time owing to the greater quality disparity in the Bundesliga that affords them the opportunity to blood youngsters in easily winnable games that we never have.

It's an unfortunate circumstance that will now only get worse; but £30m+ is the best way out of it.

You could be right but the fact is we don't know anyone is better than CHO. Because we haven't had the chance to see him play in a run of games.

 The Bayern people obviously see him as a very special talent.

One silver lining if he does go is that he's not jumping ship to a domestic rival. Though it will still be sickening to watch when he lashes in a Champions League hat-trick to send Liverpool crashing out of Europe.

6 minutes ago, Charles Ryder said:

One silver lining if he does go is that he's not jumping ship to a domestic rival. Though it will still be sickening to watch when he lashes in a Champions League hat-trick to send Liverpool crashing out of Europe.

Why would watching Liverpool crash out of Europe be sickening? That would almost make the transfer worthwhile to me.

Man if Bayern isn't actually interested then his agent is playing a blinder 

14 hours ago, enigma said:

The issue I have with this is 18 years old or not, he doesn't have a divine right to be playing regularly. Sarri has pointed out areas of his game which need improving, which I don't think is unfair at all.

He is 18 after all. For me, Ampadu is the obviously more talented at the moment but he also isn't pushing for a move like H-Odoi. 

Ampadu has way more "bodies" in his path to the first team so it's understandable. 

7 hours ago, Fatty_Speeding said:

Yep. He seems absolutely determined to leave and it's hard to blame either him or Chelsea tbf.

No matter what other fans say, Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Pulisic, even Loftus-Cheek as a winger ARE better than Hudson-Odoi at present, and we simply cannot offer him the game time he's demanding before his contract runs out and we lose him for free. Fans will reply saying "oh well I don't mind a slight dip in our form if it means giving a chance to youngsters" every day until we fail to qualify for next seasons's Champions League.

Bayern on the other hand can guarantee him far more regular game time owing to the greater quality disparity in the Bundesliga that affords them the opportunity to blood youngsters in easily winnable games that we never have.

It's an unfortunate circumstance that will now only get worse; but £30m+ is the best way out of it.

That is the kind of short-sightedness that has got our squad where it is now. How can any youngster ever prove they ARE good enough (and better than players in current squad / starting 11) if the never get to play? I look at City last night and I see Sane winning them games. CHO WILL be our own Sane (just an English version). Willian and Pedro aren't gonna be our Sane.

If we lose CHO it will be the clubs fault yet again for bad handling and will be the worst error since the last one and one before that (and so on.............................)

 

 

 

There is just no way I can get on board with selling him for circa £30M.

It's nothing in todays market. Doesn't even get you a Danny Drinkater.

Clearly, there is potential in CHO. It might not be fulfilled (like Kakuta), or perhaps it will (like KDB). But Bayern see something, and so do most Chelsea fans...

Either way, I would want to find out whilst he is on our books, not someone else's.

The fact he has 18 months on his contract shouldn't force a panic sale in my opinion. He is 18 years old and his game time can be stepped up over the next 18 months, even more so when you factor in the potential departures of Willian, Pedro, and dare I say Hazard.

In short, keep him, encourage more game time, try and get him to stay, and hopefully within 18 months he signs a new deal.

Worst case scenario is losing £30M. In the grand scheme of things, it's not going to make a massive impact to Chelsea football club.

1 hour ago, Kentonio said:

Why would watching Liverpool crash out of Europe be sickening? That would almost make the transfer worthwhile to me.

Sorry, thought the sarcasm was obvious there.

15 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

It's nothing in todays market. Doesn't even get you a Danny Drinkater.

I know this is everyones go to, but CHO has done nothing in his career, and DD was a starting midfielder for a Leicester team that won the premier league. (and is also British I suppose.)

Edited January 4, 20197 yr by Stim

2 minutes ago, Stim said:

I know this is everyones go to, but CHO has done nothing in his career,

 

He's just reached 18yo.

4 minutes ago, Stim said:

DD was a starting midfielder for a Leicester team that won the premier league. 

Maybe Bayern are bidding on the wrong player then?

Since we sold Ake I've given up on our academy so whether we sell him or not makes no difference to me.

Given our record, we would be better off just cashing in on him. Maybe insert a buy back clause/first option/"dibs"/whatever and just hope we spend the £30m wisely. 

Thing is, what happens when Hudson-Odoi goes through a bad patch at Bayern? Bayern Munich will just replace him because ultimately, they are BAYERN MUNICH, arguably the third biggest club in football. I just think it's not the wisest decision for CHO. Sarri has been here four months and needs to win, so it's not easy to give Callum so much game time. Even when given game time, he hasn't looked like an 18 year old Ronaldo or Messi, he's just looked above average.

I am bias towards him and even I admit that he's not been outstanding in games he's played. He's looked not much better than Musonda did in his bit part appearances tbh, but this is against low level opposition in cup games. At 18 it's a huge leap for Callum and personally I think it's too big of a leap, too early. He should stay at Chelsea and give it until the end of the season at least or if he desperately wants to leave, go on loan. Sarri has already stated his admiration for both him and Ampadu, so he needs patience. 

Edited January 4, 20197 yr by enigma

17 minutes ago, enigma said:

Thing is, what happens when Hudson-Odoi goes through a bad patch at Bayern? Bayern Munich will just replace him because ultimately, they are BAYERN MUNICH, arguably the third biggest club in football. I just think it's not the wisest decision for CHO. Sarri has been here four months and needs to win, so it's not easy to give Callum so much game time. Even when given game time, he hasn't looked like an 18 year old Ronaldo or Messi, he's just looked above average.

I am bias towards him and even I admit that he's not been outstanding in games he's played. He's looked not much better than Musonda did in his bit part appearances tbh, but this is against low level opposition in cup games. At 18 it's a huge leap for Callum and personally I think it's too big of a leap, too early. He should stay at Chelsea and give it until the end of the season at least or if he desperately wants to leave, go on loan. Sarri has already stated his admiration for both him and Ampadu, so he needs patience. 

No matter how you twist it, he will be given more leeway at Bayern than he would get with us. 

1 hour ago, Stim said:

I know this is everyones go to, but CHO has done nothing in his career, and DD was a starting midfielder for a Leicester team that won the premier league. (and is also British I suppose.)

It's the potential of what CHO could go on to do that makes his worth though, isn't it. Hence why Bayern are seemingly willing to pay the reported figure. It could be a gamble buying/keeping him, but one worth taking in my opinion (for £30M).

No disrespect to Drinkwater to be fair, just trying to illustrate that £30M isn't going to go very far in the transfer market if we let him go.

It's bad luck he's injured, otherwise he'd played a part mid week and start this weekend in the cup. Most people agreed he wasn't quite ready in that debut cameo the other week, what makes him and his people believe he'd just make it into the starting team at Bayern in a few months time? Chelsea has her faults in given youth games, mainly because the instability with managers and demand for instant success. We haven seen young players leaving for other teams in the league, Solanke didn't cut it at Liverpool and heading towards a loan move, Ake is a starter but I haven't seen him playing well against good attacking teams, Chalobah is doing ok at Watford I guess ( just Ok), CHO is getting games at 18, and it's only half way through his first season with the team, can't just give him 10+ games because we fear him leaving.