6 minutes ago, robdog said:

Ashley Young doesn't have any hair

He is also a diving c**t, so no improvement 

Come to think if it, few men pull off the bald head thing. Patrick Stewart is the only one that comes to mind.

Edited November 11, 20187 yr by Valerie

Just now, Valerie said:

He is also a diving c**t, so no improvement 

naw I was trying to say who was the biggest cunt - Kun or Young - personally I am not a fan of either

question for @enigma how do you like these apples?

 

Lukaku has been on for 20 minutes and already looks exhausted.

I think it's more dangerous to let Manure get away with a point again, they have been doing that whole season so far so I prefer to see them lose and not count on them to be there for the top 4 later on.

Can't see us stopping anyone stopping City this season either.

Arsenal equalise. - 87th minute

They'll f**king win now, I guarantee it.

4 minutes ago, AlexTommo said:

Lukaku has been on for 20 minutes and already looks exhausted.

I have no idea why he thought he needed to put on more muscle, he was big enough. It's made him worse than ever. It's definitely slowed him down and made him more clumsy. The bloke looks like he can barely move.

smalling on sane - surely that's a pen? 

Traore is sh*t, he should have scored that.

robbie savages mum was spot on!

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

It's easy to do when you have an unlimited budget. Everything he wanted, he got it. Give any top manager an unlimited budget and they will produce similar results.

He’s the Roy Orbison of football, baby...

We can't really knock City for the big spending, we had our fun, and will again, in time.

Arsenal were probably even worse than we were today.

At this point, they'll struggle to finish in the Top 4. 

6 hours ago, robdog said:

naw I was trying to say who was the biggest cunt - Kun or Young - personally I am not a fan of either

question for @enigma how do you like these apples?

 

Barcelona have the sixth worst defense in La Liga.......and they are top of the league. And I thought defending in the Premier League was bad. The rest of Europe really needs to get a grip, the Spanish teams are very beatable, they shouldn't be winning the European competitions as often as they do.

Remember when United fans were giving it large because we sold them Matic?

I sure do... 

Lol.

3 hours ago, DaRick said:

Arsenal were probably even worse than we were today.

At this point, they'll struggle to finish in the Top 4. 

Bit different when they have a clear unfair advantage though isn't it? When we were spending big so could everyone else, City get to bypass FFP and can throw out any money they want, other teams such as ours get penalised if we spend too much and we have to balance our books. Hence all the big sales we've made, when was the last time City had to sell off any of their best players? Or even a player who wasn't considered surplus to requirements for them? 

Let's not compare their situation to ours, it's not the same, City and PSG need punishing. 

that doesn't change the fact the that Guardiola is doing a great job... in Barcelona, in Munich and now in City. Sorry, but I prefer to stay on Earth and assess what is happening before my eyes. And as I said just a two weeks ago, this is impressive. 

Edited November 12, 20187 yr by Giordano_Bruno

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

Bit different when they have a clear unfair advantage though isn't it? When we were spending big so could everyone else, City get to bypass FFP and can throw out any money they want, other teams such as ours get penalised if we spend too much and we have to balance our books. Hence all the big sales we've made, when was the last time City had to sell off any of their best players? Or even a player who wasn't considered surplus to requirements for them? 

Let's not compare their situation to ours, it's not the same, City and PSG need punishing. 

I get the feeling that you quoted the wrong post. 

On the City situation, I don't have anything against City as a club, but I agree that their situation is different from ours in that we had the wealth of one man behind us whereas they, like PSG, have the wealth of an entire state behind them. 

I also agree that while Chelsea have benefited greatly from their wealth during their time, they weren't allowed to circumvent existing UEFA rules the way that City have. 

I will also note that while Chelsea actually broke into the Top 4 at the time of Roman's takeover, Man City when the Arabs bought them was more of a mid-table club. 

1 hour ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

that doesn't change the fact the that Guardiola is doing a great job... in Barcelona, in Munich and now in City. Sorry, but I prefer to stay on Earth and assess what is happening before my eyes. And as I said just a two weeks ago, this is impressive. 

I don't contest that Pep is a very fine manager and that his sides can play some incredible football. Upon reflection, I will also give Pep credit for learning to be a bit more pragmatic with the keeping of time. He did change his side's approach in response to Liverpool, for example. 

However, I maintain that his general style, high-pressing tiki-taka, requires such skill and stamina to pull off across a season that he can struggle to get the best out of his personnel where his side isn't clearly the strongest in the league. His travails during his first season in the PL (2016/17), with a squad that was flawed but nonetheless IMO weak favourites to win the league, is a case in point. 

Some will point to his 2008/09 Barcelona side, but while he deserves credit for bringing in Alves/Keita/Pique and removing Deco/Ronaldinho, he also benefited from a dysfunctional league challenger in Real Madrid, a fully fit Eto'o, plus Messi/Iniesta beginning to peak both physically and in terms of performance. He is not quite like Sarri elevating a fairly mediocre Napoli side to legitimate title challengers against an incredibly dominant Juventus side.  

25 minutes ago, DaRick said:

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?However, I maintain that his general style, high-pressing tiki-taka, requires such skill and stamina to pull off across a season that he can struggle to get the best out of his personnel where his side isn't clearly the strongest in the league. His travails during his first season in the PL (2016/17), with a squad that was flawed but nonetheless IMO weak favourites to win the league, is a case in point. 

 

"General" is not appropriate word mate. He's got two seasons without delivering the title - he finished on 2nd and 3rd spot. And about 8 or 9, I don't know the exact number, of winning it. When Conte, Mourinho, Wenger had "flawed" and "clearly not the strongest" teams in the league - they were close to relegation zone at times and finished 5th, 10th, 6th and now probably 6th again. You see the difference?

And, most impotantly, he is not the only one spending money. the media seems to forget \or at least not paying attention when the big OLD clubs like United, Madrid, Barcelona and Liverpool spend, but when it's City, Chelsea or PSG.... excuses, excuses, excuses. And I don't want to argue about which case is worse - ours, or City's. they are both not bad , because that's the exact reason why the media twisted it - to excuse their favourites and their incapability of winning. 

Pogba - 105 mil, Lukaku 85, Fred 60, Matic 42, Mkhitariyan 42 and then the cosmic salary of Alexis, he also spent 40 for Baily and 35 for Lindelof to strengthen his defense. Now he doesn't like them... probably Guardiola's fault again? this is the very first season in United that Mourinho didn't spend a huge amount of money. And he cried out the press and everybody. 

Liverpool - Van Djik - 80 mil, Alisson 62, Keita 60, Fabinho 45, Salah 42, Mane 42, Chamberlane 40 - all of these last two transfer windows.

Even Arsenal spent a whole lotta money. 

I can't say the competition is sleeping. Can you? this is just the typical propaganda trying to excuse media's favourite teams miserable existance and trying to underrate what Pep is doing. the same thing happened 14 years ago with us btw. And now you are buying it.  Not only that you guys are being hypocritical but you are also supporting the "old" losers cause with this behaviour. 

Mourinho deserved every single praise and applause for making Chelsea so foking great about 15 ago. Ever since his first period here, he is not able to do it again. Pep has done it three times - in Bayern, Barcelona and now, most likely with City. Give this man the props, he deserves, for crying out loud. Don't be one of these old hypocritical posh farts, starting the excuses with "buts" every time they kicked their asses badly like yesterday. 

Edited November 12, 20187 yr by Giordano_Bruno

2 hours ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

"General" is not appropriate word mate. He's got two seasons without delivering the title - he finished on 2nd and 3rd spot. And about 8 or 9, I don't know the exact number, of winning it. When Conte, Mourinho, Wenger had "flawed" and "clearly not the strongest" teams in the league - they were close to relegation zone at times and finished 5th, 10th, 6th and now probably 6th again. You see the difference?

Pep's style revolves around high-pressing high-possession tiki-taka, with the odd variation depending upon the opponent he is facing. To pull off that style across a season, you need an extremely strong squad. Do you disagree with that?

Is English your first language? I ask this because I didn't say that Man City 2016/17 was "clearly not the strongest" (because that would be wrong), I said that it "wasn't clearly the strongest" and that they were "IMO weak favourites". There is a subtle distinction there that a non-native English speaker may not pick up. In 2017/18 on the other hand, they clearly had the strongest squad in the league and performed accordingly. This year appears to be a repeat.

You are forgetting that Conte/Mourinho/Wenger outperformed expectations with squads that weren't widely rated as title winners. Did you forget about Conte's 2016/17 title win, with a squad that was IMO merely Top 4 material? What about his 2011/12 triumph with a Juventus, whom had finished 7th the year before? Or Mourinho's 2003/04 UCL triumph with Porto? Hell, even Wenger won the league in 1997/98 against a generally dominant Manchester United side. Speaking of Manchester United, they were in a right mess when Sir Alex Ferguson initially took charge, being mired in mediocrity and having not won a title for around 20 years by that point. 

Has Pep ever outperformed expectations with squads that weren't widely rated as title winners from the outset? I don't think that he has. I would say that he came closest in 2008/09 because he made some good transfers, but even then he benefited from Iniesta/Messi beginning to peak physically and in terms of performance, along with a fully-fit Eto'o (Barcelona would have been far more competitive in 2007/08 had he been fully fit IMO). Real Madrid was also going through a transition period, with some young guns and some ageing players, plus they had managerial issues (and no Cristiano Ronaldo). I would actually say that Mourinho did well to knock him off in 2011/12; Pep's side was that dominant on paper. 

He did always win the league with Bayern, but he should have really, given that they bought the best players from the rest of the Bundesliga. Heyneckes and Ancelotti also won the Bundesliga with that side (in 2017/18 Heyneckes was also hampered by Ancelotti's poor start), plus Heyneckes won the UCL. 

It is true that Conte/Mourinho/Wenger have performed very poorly at times, but of all the placements you have listed possibly only the 2015/16 squad was widely considered title favourites (and given that Man City reinforced itself I'm not even sure about that). 

I stated above that Pep is a very fine manager whose sides can play some incredible football - but he has benefited greatly from managing squads that were already clearly the strongest in the league. Where they have just been weak favourites (2016/17 Man City), he has not been able to outperform expectations in the manner that the three managers you listed have. 

And, most impotantly, he is not the only one spending money. the media seems to forget \or at least not paying attention when the big OLD clubs like United, Madrid, Barcelona and Liverpool spend, but when it's City, Chelsea or PSG.... excuses, excuses, excuses. And I don't want to argue about which case is worse - ours, or City's. they are both not bad , because that's the exact reason why the media twisted it - to excuse their favourites and their incapability of winning. 

Do you honestly not see a difference beyond being backed by one man and being backed by a state while circumventing UEFA regulations?

Pogba - 105 mil, Lukaku 85, Fred 60, Matic 42, Mkhitariyan 42 and then the cosmic salary of Alexis, he also spent 40 for Baily and 35 for Lindelof to strengthen his defense. Now he doesn't like them... probably Guardiola's fault again? this is the very first season in United that Mourinho didn't spend a huge amount of money. And he cried out the press and everybody. 

Liverpool - Van Djik - 80 mil, Alisson 62, Keita 60, Fabinho 45, Salah 42, Mane 42, Chamberlane 40 - all of these last two transfer windows.

Even Arsenal spent a whole lotta money. 

I can't say the competition is sleeping. Can you? this is just the typical propaganda trying to excuse media's favourite teams miserable existance and trying to underrate what Pep is doing. the same thing happened 14 years ago with us btw. And now you are buying it.  Not only that you guys are being hypocritical but you are also supporting the "old" losers cause with this behaviour. 

You need to compare the transfer fees of the Top 6 from 2016/17 because that is when Pep took charge:

2016/17: 171.5 million pounds
2017/18: 267.35 million pounds
2018/19: 63.72 million pounds

Now Mourinho's Man U:

2016/17: 145.3 million pounds
2017/18: 190.7 million pounds
2018/19: 67.5 million pounds

As for Liverpool:

2016/17: 61.9 million pounds
2017/18: 149.9 million pounds
2018/19: 168.25 million pounds

Now Arsenal:

2016/17: 87.95 million pounds
2017/18: 104.3 million pounds
2018/19: 69.9 million pounds

And finally, Chelsea:

2016/17: 118.2 million pounds
2017/18: 252.3 million pounds
2018/19: 125.5 million pounds

Now, it is true that the competition isn't sleeping, but Pep has still been given more financial backing than any other manager from 2016/17 onwards. The only reason why he didn't spend more in 2018/19 was IMO not because his owners had suddenly become less indulgent, but because his squad was already pretty much complete, so there was no need. 

Mourinho deserved every single praise and applause for making Chelsea so foking great about 15 ago. Ever since his first period here, he is not able to do it again.

Yeah, he did. He also won league titles with Inter (plus a UCL), Real Madrid and Chelsea in 2014-15.

Pep has done it three times - in Bayern, Barcelona and now, most likely with City. Give this man the props, he deserves, for crying out loud. Don't be one of these old hypocritical posh farts, starting the excuses with "buts" every time they kicked their asses badly like yesterday. 

I already did above; you just didn't see it. 

I disagree with most of this. My responses are in bold. 

Edited November 12, 20187 yr by DaRick

If Mark Hughes doesn't get a touchline ban for his berating of the referee, it will set a dangerous precedent. It's one thing whining about the decision, but to question the referee's credential is completely out of order. Referee made couple of questionable calls, in the end canceled each other out.

6 hours ago, DaRick said:

I get the feeling that you quoted the wrong post. 

On the City situation, I don't have anything against City as a club, but I agree that their situation is different from ours in that we had the wealth of one man behind us whereas they, like PSG, have the wealth of an entire state behind them. 

I also agree that while Chelsea have benefited greatly from their wealth during their time, they weren't allowed to circumvent existing UEFA rules the way that City have. 

I will also note that while Chelsea actually broke into the Top 4 at the time of Roman's takeover, Man City when the Arabs bought them was more of a mid-table club. 

Made me laugh on a small part of Sunday Supplement I watched yesterday. One of the journalists said "I think the different between City and Chelsea, is when Roman had his success at Chelsea, it felt like Chelsea didn't care about being liked whereas it seems City care about being liked" haha yeah yeah, of course they do. 

6 hours ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

"General" is not appropriate word mate. He's got two seasons without delivering the title - he finished on 2nd and 3rd spot. And about 8 or 9, I don't know the exact number, of winning it. When Conte, Mourinho, Wenger had "flawed" and "clearly not the strongest" teams in the league - they were close to relegation zone at times and finished 5th, 10th, 6th and now probably 6th again. You see the difference?

And, most impotantly, he is not the only one spending money. the media seems to forget \or at least not paying attention when the big OLD clubs like United, Madrid, Barcelona and Liverpool spend, but when it's City, Chelsea or PSG.... excuses, excuses, excuses. And I don't want to argue about which case is worse - ours, or City's. they are both not bad , because that's the exact reason why the media twisted it - to excuse their favourites and their incapability of winning. 

Pogba - 105 mil, Lukaku 85, Fred 60, Matic 42, Mkhitariyan 42 and then the cosmic salary of Alexis, he also spent 40 for Baily and 35 for Lindelof to strengthen his defense. Now he doesn't like them... probably Guardiola's fault again? this is the very first season in United that Mourinho didn't spend a huge amount of money. And he cried out the press and everybody. 

Liverpool - Van Djik - 80 mil, Alisson 62, Keita 60, Fabinho 45, Salah 42, Mane 42, Chamberlane 40 - all of these last two transfer windows.

Even Arsenal spent a whole lotta money. 

I can't say the competition is sleeping. Can you? this is just the typical propaganda trying to excuse media's favourite teams miserable existance and trying to underrate what Pep is doing. the same thing happened 14 years ago with us btw. And now you are buying it.  Not only that you guys are being hypocritical but you are also supporting the "old" losers cause with this behaviour. 

Mourinho deserved every single praise and applause for making Chelsea so foking great about 15 ago. Ever since his first period here, he is not able to do it again. Pep has done it three times - in Bayern, Barcelona and now, most likely with City. Give this man the props, he deserves, for crying out loud. Don't be one of these old hypocritical posh farts, starting the excuses with "buts" every time they kicked their asses badly like yesterday. 

I have only seen credit after credit going pep and city's way. They cant wait to w**k over him and his team. They have never come under any pressure whatsoever regarding their spending.....infact its applauded. If they keep going pep will soon have hickies on his ass cheeks.

Edited November 12, 20187 yr by atomis

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6375585/True-extent-Man-Citys-reliance-Sheik-Mansours-billions.html

 

This sh*t needs to stop.....making a mockery of the game with all their BS.