I believe we will regret it if we sell him to Liverpool, so it's a big no from me.

10 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Selling Pulisic to Liverpool would be the perfect transfer for us.

We get a rubbish player off our books for far more than he's worth (he's a 5-10 million pound player with a very valuable passport)  and we get to cripple a rival.

I don't see the talent at all, he's an objectively awful footballer who isn't good enough to be labelled inconsistent.  I've watched him for 5 years or so and still have no idea what he actually does well.

15 or so good games across 7 years in a club career spanning over 200 games isn't inconsistent. It's flat out bad regardless of how often his patriots share them.

He suits Liverpools system perfectly but he's nowhere near good enough to play at the highest level and would be a massive drop in quality for them going from Mane to Pulisic.

People are fearing this will be another Salah or KDB situation but they had both shown a lot more before signing for us and after we sold them before they ended up at their current clubs. KDB even looked better in his short time here than Pulisic.

Pulisic is much closer to Scott Sinclair or Schurrle than either of those 2.

Rubbish? Now that is nonsense. Under Lampard, there were parts of that season where he single handedly won games for us and got into double figures that season right?

KDB and Salah were playing in inferior leagues before we signed them. Also, I get if people say he is way too inconsistent as that is true but to saw he is a awful footballer is nonsense.

Mane at 23 was not better than Pulisic also. He is 7 years older and better now, however in a few years time, if is not impossible to write off Pulisic reaching those heights.

We sold Salah the same age as Pulisic is now and he did not get chances but because he went to a team where he consistently played on loan, he flourished. I reckon Pulisic would do well abroad too. Ironic thing is you probably would of actually said the same thing about Salah while he was here because albeit he had limited opportunities, he did nto set the world alight here.

A back 4 and extra body in midfield will get the best out of CP on a more regular basis.

 

Does not have to be Klopps 433 a 4231 would be just as good. We are a quality true DM away from being able to deploy such a system, though I think TT is committed to remaining with a back 3.

Lukaku and Werner are the only ones we should be selling off this summer. 

Selling to Pulisic to Liverpool would be really poor from us. Everyone knows the talent is there and under Klopp I think he turns into a fantastic player, he has a knack of levelling up players.

1 hour ago, STATS said:

Rubbish? Now that is nonsense. Under Lampard, there were parts of that season where he single handedly won games for us and got into double figures that season right?

KDB and Salah were playing in inferior leagues before we signed them. Also, I get if people say he is way too inconsistent as that is true but to saw he is a awful footballer is nonsense.

Mane at 23 was not better than Pulisic also. He is 7 years older and better now, however in a few years time, if is not impossible to write off Pulisic reaching those heights.

We sold Salah the same age as Pulisic is now and he did not get chances but because he went to a team where he consistently played on loan, he flourished. I reckon Pulisic would do well abroad too. Ironic thing is you probably would of actually said the same thing about Salah while he was here because albeit he had limited opportunities, he did nto set the world alight here.

Ridiculous post.  Mane was far better at 23 than Pulisic is.

By 23 Mane had scored double figures in league goals 4 times,  twice of them in the Premier league with Southampton while he was clearly their best attacking player. Mane has scored double figures in the league every single season of his career aside from his debut season.

Pulisic at 23 averages 4 league goals a season has never scored double figures in a league season despite playing 7 seasons at elite clubs including 4 in the 2nd most attacking side in the weakest defensive league in Europe (Everyone scores a ridiculous number of goals in the Bundesliga but Pulisic) and has been benched by younger more talented players and people around his age at every club he's played at (Sancho, Dembele, Mount, Havertz, Werner)

He's not some unknown or young talent.  He's a flop who's played 242 games across 7 seasons without managing a single good season in his career.  His 1 month post lockdown purple patch in the most unusual month in football history were players weren't sharp and the games were completely different don't take precedent over his shockingly bad Clun career.

The only reason anyone would see Pulisic as a talent is the exact same reason we signed him.  His nationality and commercial value, nothing to do with what he's shown on the pitch.

Comparing Pulisic with players that didn't get the opportunities Pulisic has wasted is absurd.

Not to mention Salah looked better for Basel playing against us in Europe than Pulisic has ever looked in his career.

Pulisic just isn't that talented.  How many more bad seasons does he need before people stop pretending he's something he isn't?  

The lad should be the first piece of deadwood cleared this summer,  I was hoping we could use Pulisic + Cash for Raphina but crippling Liverpool by selling them the new Freddy Adu is too good an opportunity to pass up.

He's got 2 years left, he's not good enough to deserve a new contract and his commercial appeal is still there overshadowing how poor his career has been.

how could anyone think we should pass up this last opportunity to sell him for a hugely inflated fee?

Get to it Marina!

Edited June 5, 20224 yr by HazardousChoice

2 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

Ridiculous post.  Mane was far better at 23 than Pulisic is.

By 23 Mane had scored double figures in league goals 4 times,  twice of them in the Premier league with Southampton while he was clearly their best attacking player. Mane has scored double figures in the league every single season of his career aside from his debut season.

Pulisic at 23 averages 4 league goals a season has never scored double figures in a league season despite playing 7 seasons at elite clubs including 4 in the 2nd most attacking side in the weakest defensive league in Europe (Everyone scores a ridiculous number of goals in the Bundesliga but Pulisic) and has been benched by younger more talented players and people around his age at every club he's played at (Sancho, Dembele, Mount, Havertz, Werner)

He's not some unknown or young talent.  He's a flop who's played 242 games across 7 seasons without managing a single good season in his career.  His 1 month post lockdown purple patch in the most unusual month in football history were players weren't sharp and the games were completely different don't take precedent over his shockingly bad Clun career.

The only reason anyone would see Pulisic as a talent is the exact same reason we signed him.  His nationality and commercial value, nothing to do with what he's shown on the pitch.

Comparing Pulisic with players that didn't get the opportunities Pulisic has wasted is absurd.

Not to mention Salah looked better for Basel playing against us in Europe than Pulisic has ever looked in his career.

Pulisic just isn't that talented.  How many more bad seasons does he need before people stop pretending he's something he isn't?  

The lad should be the first piece of deadwood cleared this summer,  I was hoping we could use Pulisic + Cash for Raphina but crippling Liverpool by selling them the new Freddy Adu is too good an opportunity to pass up.

He's got 2 years left, he's not good enough to deserve a new contract and his commercial appeal is still there overshadowing how poor his career has been.

how could anyone think we should pass up this last opportunity to sell him for a hugely inflated fee?

Get to it Marina!

Ok, you might have a point that Mane was better at same age but some of your other points is beyond ridiculous. 

2 years left? Come of it. Absolute ridiculous. point. Pulisic has done a lot more than Adu has ever achieved. Also it was not just one month. He was our best player for a few months and was a big player for us. He started slow and finished strong. Also like I say, some layers bloom later on in careers. The consistency isn't there but the talent definitely is. 

Again to your point about Salah looking better for Basel playing against us than Pulisic ever looked in his career. Stop being pathetic. Pulisic has had several solo top games.

Time will tell I guess.

 

Sell him whilst he's worth a decent return. CP is not consistent enough and physically too weak for the PL.

Edited June 6, 20224 yr by Malcolm9

18 hours ago, STATS said:

We sold Salah the same age as Pulisic is now and he did not get chances

You've kind of hit the nail on the head there, Pulisic by comparison has got multiple chances over the last two years and has been crap for most of it.

The flaws he's showing like failing to see anything beyond a 20 yard radius of him, tunnel vision and failing to release the ball at the right time are not often things that get drastically fixed at a later age, the likes of SWP, Walcott and Lennon displayed the exact same flaws at 31 that they did at 23.

18 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Lukaku and Werner are the only ones we should be selling off this summer. 

I'd include Jorginho and CHO in that list too. But yeah, Lukaku and Werner absolutely need to go.

On 05/06/2022 at 11:24, HazardousChoice said:

Ridiculous post.  Mane was far better at 23 than Pulisic is.

By 23 Mane had scored double figures in league goals 4 times,  twice of them in the Premier league with Southampton while he was clearly their best attacking player. Mane has scored double figures in the league every single season of his career aside from his debut season.

Pulisic at 23 averages 4 league goals a season has never scored double figures in a league season despite playing 7 seasons at elite clubs including 4 in the 2nd most attacking side in the weakest defensive league in Europe (Everyone scores a ridiculous number of goals in the Bundesliga but Pulisic) and has been benched by younger more talented players and people around his age at every club he's played at (Sancho, Dembele, Mount, Havertz, Werner)

He's not some unknown or young talent.  He's a flop who's played 242 games across 7 seasons without managing a single good season in his career.  His 1 month post lockdown purple patch in the most unusual month in football history were players weren't sharp and the games were completely different don't take precedent over his shockingly bad Clun career.

The only reason anyone would see Pulisic as a talent is the exact same reason we signed him.  His nationality and commercial value, nothing to do with what he's shown on the pitch.

Comparing Pulisic with players that didn't get the opportunities Pulisic has wasted is absurd.

Not to mention Salah looked better for Basel playing against us in Europe than Pulisic has ever looked in his career.

Pulisic just isn't that talented.  How many more bad seasons does he need before people stop pretending he's something he isn't?  

The lad should be the first piece of deadwood cleared this summer,  I was hoping we could use Pulisic + Cash for Raphina but crippling Liverpool by selling them the new Freddy Adu is too good an opportunity to pass up.

He's got 2 years left, he's not good enough to deserve a new contract and his commercial appeal is still there overshadowing how poor his career has been.

how could anyone think we should pass up this last opportunity to sell him for a hugely inflated fee?

Get to it Marina!

 

Actually Pulisic is the same as Mane if you go with Goals per minute in the EPL.  You are making the mistake of comparing an appearance which includes coming off the bench in the 88th minute with minutes actually played.

 

Pulisic last season and Mane in the 2014 to 2015 season are both at 214 min per goal

https://www.transfermarkt.us/sadio-mane/leistungsdaten/spieler/200512/saison/2014/plus/1#gesamt

https://www.transfermarkt.us/christian-pulisic/leistungsdaten/spieler/315779/saison/2021/plus/1#gesamt

 

Pulisic has just played about 900 less minutes in the EPL than Mane did that season. 

If you want to expand it out minutes between goal involvements you have Mane at 153 minutes between goal involvements and Pulisic at 161 roughly speaking.  That's not a lot of difference. 

So you where saying?

It should be telling that Liverpool wants him.  Klopp isn't exactly known for making bad transfer decisions.  But I'm sure you are all smarter than Klopp.

 

Edited June 6, 20224 yr by Valpo

7 hours ago, Argo said:

You've kind of hit the nail on the head there, Pulisic by comparison has got multiple chances over the last two years and has been crap for most of it.

The flaws he's showing like failing to see anything beyond a 20 yard radius of him, tunnel vision and failing to release the ball at the right time are not often things that get drastically fixed at a later age, the likes of SWP, Walcott and Lennon displayed the exact same flaws at 31 that they did at 23.

 

By multiple chances you mean a lot of bench appearances??

And are we sure he even go a fair shot?  He played 200 minutes less this year in all competitions than he did last year despite his minutes per goal involvements in all comps dropping from 245 min last season to 170.  

 

And that's with Chelsea playing in more games this year and less injury issues this year.  

Edited June 6, 20224 yr by Valpo

On 05/06/2022 at 15:35, timetowaste said:

Selling to Pulisic to Liverpool would be really poor from us. Everyone knows the talent is there and under Klopp I think he turns into a fantastic player, he has a knack of levelling up players.

And Tuchel, not so much. I mean, who has come on noticeably under TT? James would have been a great player even if I’d been the coach. He’s not helped Werner, Havertz despite a couple of notable goals has been treading water (and that’s perhaps being generous) and regardless of any stat, Pulisic hasn’t set the pulses racing since part of a cup final before he went off injured (which is his best skill).

This isn’t an attack on TT or a call for his head, just a thought that he needs players that are at the top of their powers. 

8 minutes ago, Snedger said:

And Tuchel, not so much. I mean, who has come on noticeably under TT? James would have been a great player even if I’d been the coach. He’s not helped Werner, Havertz despite a couple of notable goals has been treading water (and that’s perhaps being generous) and regardless of any stat, Pulisic hasn’t set the pulses racing since part of a cup final before he went off injured (which is his best skill).

This isn’t an attack on TT or a call for his head, just a thought that he needs players that are at the top of their powers. 

 

He seems to have improved the defense (Although the last part of the season was bad for the defense too.) but the attack has not overall improved.  Now I will take that, a 1 - nil win is still a win.  

But you are right the attack doesn't seem to have gotten better.  

That said save for Lukaku is really young up front while the defenders save for Trev are all around 30 or older.  So it might be an instance that it's easier to quickly improve the play of veteran players than it is to quickly improve younger players.  

 

It's sort of the same thing with the midfield.  Most of the guys in the midfield are older players.  

Edited June 6, 20224 yr by Valpo

selling Pulisic to Liverpool is insane. We should at least add an extra 30 million on our asking fee especially for them. They will never go for him if he costs 80 million 

Werner & Lukaku, RLC, Kepa, Barkley, Bakoyoko, Batshuayi, Alonso etc. are the ones we need to get rid off

What is the point of getting let's say 60 million for Pulisic and then spend 40-50 million on an inferior probably older replacement. 

also the new owners have committed 2 billion in spending, what do we need the extra 20 million for 

 

Edited June 6, 20224 yr by azpi28

I would not sell Liverpool Lukaku at full price. I would sooner let him rot. Never do business with them lot...

2 hours ago, Valpo said:

 

Actually Pulisic is the same as Mane if you go with Goals per minute in the EPL.  You are making the mistake of comparing an appearance which includes coming off the bench in the 88th minute with minutes actually played.

 

Pulisic last season and Mane in the 2014 to 2015 season are both at 214 min per goal

https://www.transfermarkt.us/sadio-mane/leistungsdaten/spieler/200512/saison/2014/plus/1#gesamt

https://www.transfermarkt.us/christian-pulisic/leistungsdaten/spieler/315779/saison/2021/plus/1#gesamt

 

Pulisic has just played about 900 less minutes in the EPL than Mane did that season. 

If you want to expand it out minutes between goal involvements you have Mane at 153 minutes between goal involvements and Pulisic at 161 roughly speaking.  That's not a lot of difference. 

So you where saying?

It should be telling that Liverpool wants him.  Klopp isn't exactly known for making bad transfer decisions.  But I'm sure you are all smarter than Klopp.

 

You're making the mistake of making a completely irrelevant post.

Minutes per goal is irrelevant.  Mane has outscored Pulisics best season every season of his career aside from his debut season.

The fact Pulisic can't nail down a starting spot and keeps finding his minutes cut because he gets benched by younger more talented players is a mark against Pulisic not for him.

Yanks use minutes per goal like some holy grail stat despite it being utterly useless because it overwhelmingly favours bench warmers that come on with the team pushing for a late goal against tired legs.

Any argument for Pulisic can basically be applied to arguing Chicarito is one of the best players in premier league history.

I honestly don't buy that Liverpool are interested,  but Pulisic is more of a Minamino level signing than a Mane.

 

You talk about Klopps judgement based on him being rumoured to like Pulisic but what about the Judgement of all 3 managers who have actually coached him in his club career who all ended up benching him? Were they all wrong?

Edited June 6, 20224 yr by HazardousChoice

If Dembele is signed then it will be more difficult for Pulisic to get regular starts. I suspect he is pushing for more playing time, especially with the World Cup approaching. I suspect it will come down to how much Tuchel values him. If he is regarded as a squad player at best, then we might decide to cash in while we can still get a decent fee.

Pulisic like Werner and Lukaku needs the ball played in behind the defensive line for him to run onto. Seems he's lost some pace after the FA Cup final injury and his dribbling has regressed. Yet he's still very technically sound in front of goal. 

He doesn't score as much as we would like yet the potential is there for everybody to see. More game time in his favoured position(s), more consistency in the players picked around him to build chemistry and more attackers would really help him imo. If it was up to me I'd give him a new 3-4 year contract minimum and send him out on loan to an Italian team for a couple of seasons where he will get consistent minutes. Maybe Mourinho at Roma could mould him like Tammy or AC to link up with the boys. Juve are also interested. Selling is a big no no

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

If Dembele is signed then it will be more difficult for Pulisic to get regular starts. I suspect he is pushing for more playing time, especially with the World Cup approaching. I suspect it will come down to how much Tuchel values him. If he is regarded as a squad player at best, then we might decide to cash in while we can still get a decent fee.

who would play in the American team in place of Pulisic? He's by far their best player and he's the captain. 

If he wants to play we should loan him to non english teams, after we extend his contract. You're always going to make a loss on him if you sell him now, because he will only be able to improve and so his value will rise. With the American marketing angle Pulisic is potentially a 100 million + player

Edited June 6, 20224 yr by azpi28

The KDB & Salah situations have become such a cliche for us, you see it mentioned in almost ANY rumour of an out-going player under 25, it’s really scarred the club and probably the current board too, I hope they have not lost sight on decisions like this when some of us certainly have. 

4 hours ago, Valpo said:

 

Actually Pulisic is the same as Mane if you go with Goals per minute in the EPL.  You are making the mistake of comparing an appearance which includes coming off the bench in the 88th minute with minutes actually played.

 

Pulisic last season and Mane in the 2014 to 2015 season are both at 214 min per goal

https://www.transfermarkt.us/sadio-mane/leistungsdaten/spieler/200512/saison/2014/plus/1#gesamt

https://www.transfermarkt.us/christian-pulisic/leistungsdaten/spieler/315779/saison/2021/plus/1#gesamt

 

Pulisic has just played about 900 less minutes in the EPL than Mane did that season. 

If you want to expand it out minutes between goal involvements you have Mane at 153 minutes between goal involvements and Pulisic at 161 roughly speaking.  That's not a lot of difference. 

So you where saying?

It should be telling that Liverpool wants him.  Klopp isn't exactly known for making bad transfer decisions.  But I'm sure you are all smarter than Klopp.

 

Ah, this reminds me of the "do you know more than Tuchel" line thrown at me when i was disgusted at the prospect of signing Lukaku or the "do you know more than Jose line" thrown at people annoyed at the sale of KDB. Even the best make mistakes.

But while on the subject of Klopp he wanted Brandt but got overruled and instead got given Salah, so he's not totally flawless either.

Regarding his minutes, given he's been doing his best Theo Walcott impression for 90% of those said minutes the last two season's it's a lot more than he deserves.

Edited June 6, 20224 yr by Argo

22 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

You're making the mistake of making a completely irrelevant post.

Minutes per goal is irrelevant.  Mane has outscored Pulisics best season every season of his career aside from his debut season.

The fact Pulisic can't nail down a starting spot and keeps finding his minutes cut because he gets benched by younger more talented players is a mark against Pulisic not for him.

Yanks use minutes per goal like some holy grail stat despite it being utterly useless because it overwhelmingly favours bench warmers that come on with the team pushing for a late goal against tired legs.

Any argument for Pulisic can basically be applied to arguing Chicarito is one of the best players in premier league history.

I honestly don't buy that Liverpool are interested,  but Pulisic is more of a Minamino level signing than a Mane.

 

You talk about Klopps judgement based on him being rumoured to like Pulisic but what about the Judgement of all 3 managers who have actually coached him in his club career who all ended up benching him? Were they all wrong?

 

Generally goals and assists are how forwards are graded and I prefer numbers because they remove biases from the equation.  

21 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Pulisic like Werner and Lukaku needs the ball played in behind the defensive line for him to run onto. Seems he's lost some pace after the FA Cup final injury and his dribbling has regressed. Yet he's still very technically sound in front of goal. 

He doesn't score as much as we would like yet the potential is there for everybody to see. More game time in his favoured position(s), more consistency in the players picked around him to build chemistry and more attackers would really help him imo. If it was up to me I'd give him a new 3-4 year contract minimum and send him out on loan to an Italian team for a couple of seasons where he will get consistent minutes. Maybe Mourinho at Roma could mould him like Tammy or AC to link up with the boys. Juve are also interested. Selling is a big no no

You want to loan out Pulisic!? He will rightly slap in a transfer request.

9 minutes ago, Valpo said:

 

Generally goals and assists are how forwards are graded and I prefer numbers because they remove biases from the equation.  

The problem with goals per minute is it draws the assumption from the reader that if player(a) played more minutes his statistics would improve. This though is flawed unless the player is prolific. Generally more minutes means less goals per minute  as pointed out previously, goals from the bench totally skew the overall picture. Hence why I always say the only statistic in football that really matters is the result, the rest can be skewed to back up whatever agenda you are following.