June 22, 20224 yr Kane and Son are on nowhere near some of those figures, and a mate produced something similar for his beloved Scouserpool, and VVD or Salah nowhere near Lukaku bunce..
June 22, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, dkw said: I think the more pertinent question is where did those figures come from, because I doubt he is on anywhere near that. Spotrac, pretty established source, they use accounts published through the FA’s data provided by clubs, agent/agency links, industry reports. Easy for people to access this with the right connections in finance, hence how The Swiss Ramble gets all his intel.
June 22, 20224 yr Great to see Boehly as interim sporting director. Shows obviously that he’s involved and the results will reflect on him. Gives me confidence.
June 22, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, dkw said: I think the more pertinent question is where did those figures come from, because I doubt he is on anywhere near that. I think it's pointless overthinking these wages as an outsider. Sarr joined as a free agent, maybe in lieu of a signing on bonus we spread it over the course of his contract for a couple of years. It's really impossible to know for certain.
June 22, 20224 yr So in the end the Spud did get a seat on our new board. Let's hope he does not build our new stadium in the shape of a c*ck and bury his beloved Harry Kane boots under the Matthew harding stand.
June 22, 20224 yr 34 minutes ago, bisright1 said: I think it's pointless overthinking these wages as an outsider. Sarr joined as a free agent, maybe in lieu of a signing on bonus we spread it over the course of his contract for a couple of years. It's really impossible to know for certain. Yeah, there's too many variables to put credence on these reported wages. Did he sign on a free, get a big/small signing fee, long/short contract, then there's all the image rights bollocks.
June 22, 20224 yr 46 minutes ago, bisright1 said: I think it's pointless overthinking these wages as an outsider. Sarr joined as a free agent, maybe in lieu of a signing on bonus we spread it over the course of his contract for a couple of years. It's really impossible to know for certain. The problem with this though, Reece James & Mason Mount are essentially free as they came through the academy. So they will see the Sarr contract as a reference point. With guys like Kante on super inflated wages, the club can somewhat talk it off due to age/profile etc but not Sarr. The board will definitely be hoping they can clean some of this up in time for contract talks with James & Mount, only a 3 year age gap with Timo Werner at 275k pw so that’s an issue.
June 22, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, dkw said: I think the more pertinent question is where did those figures come from, because I doubt he is on anywhere near that. If not before tax its almost criminal if those figures are true which i also doubt
June 22, 20224 yr They have a lot of problem players to deal with to get rid of, it does not just end with Lukaku. Near the end of the contracts: Pulisic, Kante, Jorginho, Batman, Alonso, Emerson. Supposedly wants to leave: Dave and Ziyech Highly paid and generally useless: Werner, Baka and Sarr. Too highly paid for what they offer: Kepa and CHO. Probably missed some too but that is quite a list already.
June 22, 20224 yr We’ve got so much deadwood that Marina was intent on keeping. It’s just wasteful use of resources
June 22, 20224 yr Most big clubs will have similar wage issues, some better, some worse. Not to say we can’t do a lot better.
June 22, 20224 yr 23 hours ago, Term_X said: Now it’s just Timo’s 270k pw wages to get rid of. The interesting thing though for all the talk of our wage structure being bad, if Timo was somehow to be shipped we’re suddenly looking ok, as the Kante wages can somewhat be justified considering his profile and then you’ve got Chilwell on a reported 190k with the rest on 150k and below. The negative after this is just the fact we’re stuck with Kepa (155k pw) & Sarr on 120k pw until the year 2025. As far as I am aware transfer fees are split over the term of players contracts so for Lukaku that would be approx 20m per season negative towards FFP plus wages....so a good deal of reported rumours are 8m + 4m add ons and his wages off the books....frees up a bit of loose change towards transfers... Whereas player sales/loans count in full for that season....
June 23, 20224 yr 10 hours ago, dkw said: Yeah, there's too many variables to put credence on these reported wages. Did he sign on a free, get a big/small signing fee, long/short contract, then there's all the image rights bollocks. Twitter and American sports culture have killed football discourse. Twitter provides a far-reaching forum for the obssessive, dopamine-hit style of US sports journalism where speculations and 'hot-takes' are treated as discourse. Opinion and speculation are elevated to unquestionable truth. In the US, sporting salaries are generally required to be public information or can be easily worked out because of the salary cap. English clubs are private companies and do not disclose wage figures at all, other than total wage or transfer spends in their published public accounts. Sportrac, or the The Swiss Ramble, or whoever, have no more insider knowledge on these things than most people on this forum and their opinions are more or less educated guesses. This forum used to be a relatively safe bastion from such things but it sure doesn't seem like that anymore.
June 23, 20224 yr 50 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said: Twitter and American sports culture have killed football discourse. Twitter provides a far-reaching forum for the obssessive, dopamine-hit style of US sports journalism where speculations and 'hot-takes' are treated as discourse. Opinion and speculation are elevated to unquestionable truth. In the US, sporting salaries are generally required to be public information or can be easily worked out because of the salary cap. English clubs are private companies and do not disclose wage figures at all, other than total wage or transfer spends in their published public accounts. Sportrac, or the The Swiss Ramble, or whoever, have no more insider knowledge on these things than most people on this forum and their opinions are more or less educated guesses. This forum used to be a relatively safe bastion from such things but it sure doesn't seem like that anymore. But this is the new social media life that we live in where people want new and bombastic stuff every second.
June 23, 20224 yr 7 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said: Twitter and American sports culture have killed football discourse. Twitter provides a far-reaching forum for the obssessive, dopamine-hit style of US sports journalism where speculations and 'hot-takes' are treated as discourse. Opinion and speculation are elevated to unquestionable truth. In the US, sporting salaries are generally required to be public information or can be easily worked out because of the salary cap. English clubs are private companies and do not disclose wage figures at all, other than total wage or transfer spends in their published public accounts. Sportrac, or the The Swiss Ramble, or whoever, have no more insider knowledge on these things than most people on this forum and their opinions are more or less educated guesses. This forum used to be a relatively safe bastion from such things but it sure doesn't seem like that anymore. Fully agree, we have more and more people on here who pile in with their idiocy and "facts" gleaned from social media bullsh*t merchants, nonsense stats etc. Twitter is an absolute cesspit of moronic, cretinous wannabe experts talking absolute sh*te. Unfortunately its now leaking onto here too, but at least on here we can block them and choose only to read the ones you want, thankfully.
June 23, 20224 yr If Boehly is the sporting director what does Petr do? Still an advicer? Boehly doesn't know football that well but he probably has a set of principles in terms of making investments. Players are essentially investments. Kante = good investment, Lukaku = bankruptcy level horror.
June 23, 20224 yr Also worth a mention to you non techies that 50-70% maybe more maybe a tad less of the entire world of social media are scripted bots and thats before all the multi profiles attached to all sorts of nefarious BS. Its amazing how much of an effect social media has had on those who don't code or know what's really going on. (I put it down to being old enough to have seen life without the internet or mobile phones etc, You know when life made sense!) Probably all wages known are before tax and at the rates they're paid they pay giant tax rates, Then combine that with sponsorships and golden handshakes and media stuff and yeah they're stinking rich, They all have more money than pubes! Wait for the kids under about 27 to rise, Absolute dystopia but I'm not sure if its for the best or just crazy psy op brain washing of the youth has got really good with unlimited access to those on social media and probably unchecked by the authorities with regards to outside influence and feckery etc Don't get me started on loot boxes in games either, Blizzard I see you! Edited June 23, 20224 yr by Kantesmini
June 23, 20224 yr 2 hours ago, evissy said: If Boehly is the sporting director what does Petr do? Still an advicer? Boehly doesn't know football that well but he probably has a set of principles in terms of making investments. Players are essentially investments. Kante = good investment, Lukaku = bankruptcy level horror. It sounds like we already trying to bring in Michael Edwards from Liverpool as our new sporting director. He's been brilliant for Liverpool so one would think he would be a wonderful appointment.
June 23, 20224 yr 2 hours ago, Kantesmini said: Also worth a mention to you non techies that 50-70% maybe more maybe a tad less of the entire world of social media are scripted bots and thats before all the multi profiles attached to all sorts of nefarious BS. Its amazing how much of an effect social media has had on those who don't code or know what's really going on. (I put it down to being old enough to have seen life without the internet or mobile phones etc, You know when life made sense!) Probably all wages known are before tax and at the rates they're paid they pay giant tax rates, Then combine that with sponsorships and golden handshakes and media stuff and yeah they're stinking rich, They all have more money than pubes! Wait for the kids under about 27 to rise, Absolute dystopia but I'm not sure if its for the best or just crazy psy op brain washing of the youth has got really good with unlimited access to those on social media and probably unchecked by the authorities with regards to outside influence and feckery etc Don't get me started on loot boxes in games either, Blizzard I see you! Interesting, imagine todays technology but without Smart phones, Would be brilliant
June 23, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, dkw said: Fully agree, we have more and more people on here who pile in with their idiocy and "facts" gleaned from social media bullsh*t merchants, nonsense stats etc. Twitter is an absolute cesspit of moronic, cretinous wannabe experts talking absolute sh*te. Unfortunately its now leaking onto here too, but at least on here we can block them and choose only to read the ones you want, thankfully. I never follow Sports glorification on TwAtter, SSN, deals enough BS, for all to consume, cue @Munkworth and. Jim white-esque “Ma balls are just bursting with contained excitement”🤣
June 23, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, Ballack & Blu said: Interesting, imagine todays technology but without Smart phones, Would be brilliant Maybe the uni bomber was right!! jkss
June 23, 20224 yr Just a thought, Todd being the multi tasking type, i wonder how he would do as our future no. 9, couldn't be any worse.
June 23, 20224 yr 12 hours ago, Kantesmini said: Also worth a mention to you non techies that 50-70% maybe more maybe a tad less of the entire world of social media are scripted bots and thats before all the multi profiles attached to all sorts of nefarious BS. Its amazing how much of an effect social media has had on those who don't code or know what's really going on. (I put it down to being old enough to have seen life without the internet or mobile phones etc, You know when life made sense!) Probably all wages known are before tax and at the rates they're paid they pay giant tax rates, Then combine that with sponsorships and golden handshakes and media stuff and yeah they're stinking rich, They all have more money than pubes! Wait for the kids under about 27 to rise, Absolute dystopia but I'm not sure if its for the best or just crazy psy op brain washing of the youth has got really good with unlimited access to those on social media and probably unchecked by the authorities with regards to outside influence and feckery etc Don't get me started on loot boxes in games either, Blizzard I see you! yeah they SHOULD be paying giant tax rates. HMRC were looking at their tax avoidance schemes a while back where wages were paid to a company set up by the player where income is taxed at 19%, and image rights dosh to offshore tax havens. PAYE for the rest of us !
June 23, 20224 yr 2 hours ago, The Rising Sun said: yeah they SHOULD be paying giant tax rates. HMRC were looking at their tax avoidance schemes a while back where wages were paid to a company set up by the player where income is taxed at 19%, and image rights dosh to offshore tax havens. PAYE for the rest of us ! Tbf, when footyleaks leaked all the contracts, Tevez was paying his fair share of tax
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