A mistake right from the start,  no surprise it ended the way it ended. Whatever the problems Boehly had with Tuchel, the timing was completely wrong, should have hold back at least until the World cup or end of the season. If the sacking was unavoidable at the time, at least spend some effort in identifying a new manager, rather than all in on a 'long term project' after barely 24 hours of the sacking. Potter's position is unattainable, and it's almost a mercy for him that he got fired, if not sooner as most people see it. Problem for Boehly is he fired a manager on a 5 year deal, good luck convince the next manager he will be in for the long run.

31 minutes ago, evissy said:

Article probably behind paywall...but the tweet itself is telling. There is no new brave world. Just new rich people in charge buckling under media and fan-pressure. After sacking Tommy and now Potter I have only confidence in their resources.... admittedly we have new guys actually making the moves instead of Boehly himself. They also need time to find their feet. 

I feel very disappointed. Not for Potter but for the lack of resolve. I guess this was inevitable after such poor displays...same old Chels.

 

Complete and utter bollocks. Would managers like AVB, Scolari, Robbie, Ancelotti etc have been sacked when they were under Boehly? I doubt it. Roman sacked managers when we were fourth or around that mark. How anybody can judge Boehly and the hierarchy changing their minds on Potter while we are 11th is infuriating. Patience and 'trust the process' only works if there's some form of progress or positives. There's was not 1 ounce of progress been made, only regression.
 

If we had sacked Potter while 6th place with some mediocre performances then these w**ker journalists would have a point, but right now they're looking like they have no clue what they're talking about (shocking I know). We have been absolutely sh*t and we're getting worse, there is not one club, let alone top club, in the prem that would tolerate this sort of regression no matter what philosophy the club has on giving managers time.

This whole Potter exercise has been an embarrassing misstep that highlighted the new ownerships complete lack of understanding of football. Let us hope this is the wakeup call they needed. Appoint Nagelsmann and let's rebuild some credibility. 

11 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Complete and utter bollocks. Would managers like AVB, Scolari, Robbie, Ancelotti etc have been sacked when they were under Boehly? I doubt it. Roman sacked managers when we were fourth or around that mark. How anybody can judge Boehly and the hierarchy changing their minds on Potter while we are 11th is infuriating. Patience and 'trust the process' only works if there's some form of progress or positives. There's was not 1 ounce of progress been made, only regression.
 

If we had sacked Potter while 6th place with some mediocre performances then these w**ker journalists would have a point, but right now they're looking like they have no clue what they're talking about (shocking I know). We have been absolutely sh*t and we're getting worse, there is not one club, let alone top club, in the prem that would tolerate this sort of regression no matter what philosophy the club has on giving managers time.

No it isn't. Simon Johnson knows our business very well and is well informed on Chelsea matters. His point here is Boehly had suggested a changed long term plan in terms of managers instead of kicking out 2 inside 7 months. How does that really look like? Not very good is the answer. 

Potter was a mishire as they underlined sacking him. 

42 minutes ago, evissy said:

No it isn't. Simon Johnson knows our business very well and is well informed on Chelsea matters. His point here is Boehly had suggested a changed long term plan in terms of managers instead of kicking out 2 inside 7 months. How does that really look like? Not very good is the answer. 

Potter was a mishire as they underlined sacking him. 

They gave him more patience than any other owner of a top club would have done. 

I was expecting them to stick with GP until the start of next season.  I only watched the first half on Saturday but thought we looked a lot more threatening than we had done, but the calamities at the back let us down.

33 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

They gave him more patience than any other owner of a top club would have done. 

I don't agree. In Roman era for sure but in a normal situation in terms of other clubs and the plan to integrate 15 new players to the side. Doesn't really make sense in that regard. We are not making CL par a miracle CL glory.

13 minutes ago, evissy said:

I don't agree. In Roman era for sure but in a normal situation in terms of other clubs and the plan to integrate 15 new players to the side. Doesn't really make sense in that regard. We are not making CL par a miracle CL glory.

If Ten Hag was 11th in April and shown absolutely zero improvements since September he'd be sacked and Utd haven't been even half as successful as we have recently. Same with every big club.

I hope the owners have learnt a harsh and expensive lesson after the Potter saga, and will be measured and cautious appointing the next coach.

This time, proper footballing people will be involved such as Vivell which gives me some cause for optimism.

They've lost some credibility among the fanbase, but nailing the next appointment is crucial both financially and giving the fans hope that the club is heading in the right direction under their ownership.

6 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If Ten Hag was 11th in April and shown absolutely zero improvements since September he'd be sacked and Utd haven't been even half as successful as we have recently. Same with every big club.

Not if he made the last 8 in the CL and 10 days before playing RM. No chance !!!

8 minutes ago, coco said:

Not if he made the last 8 in the CL and 10 days before playing RM. No chance !!!

Didn't we sack AVB under before a CL tie? Though we had lost the 1st leg.

 

With that being said, we we're 5th then, not 11th, nor did we spend 600m, and i dont remember any massive conplaints about him being sacked

14 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Didn't we sack AVB under before a CL tie? Though we had lost the 1st leg.

 

With that being said, we we're 5th then, not 11th, nor did we spend 600m, and i dont remember any massive conplaints about him being sacked

AVB got the bullet after the 1st leg of the Round of 16, which we lost 3-1 to Napoli, before the famous 4-1 2nd leg under RDM, and CL glory thereafter. In the JT vs Hendry snooker video that Andy posted earlier, JT said that the 2012 CL Final was the best match of his Chelsea career, and he didn't even play !

Edited April 3, 20233 yr by Sexyfootball

10 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Didn't we sack AVB under before a CL tie? Though we had lost the 1st leg.

 

With that being said, we we're 5th then, not 11th, nor did we spend 600m, and i dont remember any massive conplaints about him being sacked

I was replying to the Ten Hag comparison. 

 

2 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Didn't we sack AVB under before a CL tie? Though we had lost the 1st leg.

 

With that being said, we we're 5th then, not 11th, nor did we spend 600m, and i dont remember any massive conplaints about him being sacked

I recall quite the opposite, many fans in my experience blamed player power and felt we should have ruthlessly disbanded the old guard and let him build.

I remember the "play for your shirts not your egos" banner in RDMs first game at Birmingham.

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

I recall quite the opposite, many fans in my experience blamed player power and felt we should have ruthlessly disbanded the old guard and let him build.

I remember the "play for your shirts not your egos" banner in RDMs first game at Birmingham.

I recall that as well. Think fans were sold under the opinion AVB was the next Pep. 

He wanted to play a high line with Terry and Alex, with Ramires and Meireles as the ones responsible in the transition. Just a total and utter lunacy of management. 

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I recall that as well. Think fans were sold under the opinion AVB was the next Pep. 

He wanted to play a high line with Terry and Alex, with Ramires and Meireles as the ones responsible in the transition. Just a total and utter lunacy of management. 

I actually think it was when he compromised things started to go terminally wrong.

Ofcourse there were some disasters but I quite enjoyed how we were playing at first certainly compared to the joyless football of the previous season where I've never been so bored watching us play before and bar the Jose meltdown period not since either.

Going back to basics worked well against Valencia and City and for obvious reasons I'm so happy he did it at that point but the league results and performances nosedived spectacularly after that.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

I actually think it was when he compromised things started to go terminally wrong.

Ofcourse there were some disasters but I quite enjoyed how we were playing at first certainly compared to the joyless football of the previous season where I've never been so bored watching us play before and bar the Jose meltdown period not since either.

Going back to basics worked well against Valencia and City and for obvious reasons I'm so happy he did it at that point but the league results and performances nosedived spectacularly after that.

I remember looking forward to Romeu only and was fearful Barca would activate the buy back clause. 

Bottom line the new owners are looking like mug punters, hiring and firing, splashing out millions on a mish mash of players,  of which only a couple currently look like being anywhere near the value paid or actually being any good !  Their next move in appointing a manager must imo be the correct one, another cock up could really damage our club in the short and long term.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/apr/03/the-end-of-an-error-for-chelsea-graham-potter-put-out-of-his-misery

 

Hopefully Todd will now  let the backroom staff he has assembled get on with football matters while he considers his disastrous start in football ownership.

That said , we have some great young talent now,.just need to get the next appointment right to get the best of them.

10 hours ago, evissy said:

I don't agree. In Roman era for sure but in a normal situation in terms of other clubs and the plan to integrate 15 new players to the side. Doesn't really make sense in that regard. We are not making CL par a miracle CL glory.

Its a results business though and each team will have its own agenda, whether chasing honours or staving off relegation. I think Potter's 2023 calendar league record is 3 wins in 13 league games. That would generally get you sacked whether Chelsea, or any other club in the league. Even Klopp admitted today that his previous record has bought him credit for this season.

13 hours ago, coco said:

I was replying to the Ten Hag comparison. 

 

As far as United are concerned they actually had a similar experience with Moyes. They also reached the QF of the Champions League that season. However United despite their wretched form in the league, United waited until they went out of the Champs League in the QF before they finally showed Moyes the door. So you could make a case that they probably would have waited until after the Champions League exit to fire Potter too.

The new owners have only been here for less than 12 months, so they have enough time to rectify this and restore their credibility but the next appointment is huge.

Make another coaching appointment error, and I'll be very concerned about the direction we're heading in as a club. I hope we don't rush it and carefully consider our options.

On 03/04/2023 at 15:27, Sconnie Blue said:

I recall that as well. Think fans were sold under the opinion AVB was the next Pep. 

He wanted to play a high line with Terry and Alex, with Ramires and Meireles as the ones responsible in the transition. Just a total and utter lunacy of management. 

In hindsight AVB was a terrible appointment given how piss poor he's been since. 

But I do think we failed by not giving him the proper resources that season. He was never going to win with his kind of style here given the players we had at the time, we had no pace or creativity in the team whatsoever. Which is why we had a massive clearout and signed loads of new players the summer after.

 

1 hour ago, Victor90 said:

In hindsight AVB was a terrible appointment given how piss poor he's been since. 

But I do think we failed by not giving him the proper resources that season. He was never going to win with his kind of style here given the players we had at the time, we had no pace or creativity in the team whatsoever. Which is why we had a massive clearout and signed loads of new players the summer after.

 

I mean he had POTY Juan Mata and one of the fastest players to ever play the game (Ramires)

35 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

I mean he had POTY Juan Mata and one of the fastest players to ever play the game (Ramires)

That's two players, Mata had creativity but he wasn't the quickest, I don't think he even fit AVB's style but he still did well. Outside of that look at his defence, Alex and John Terry, that's why he kept sticking with David Luiz despite his horrendous form. No fast wingbacks either, Cole was starting to show his age, Ivanovic has never been the quickest, Bosingwa was Bosingwa. 

Then Lampard, Mikel, and Meireles in midfield, none of them were particularly fast were they, except for Ramires of course. 

Then for his wingers he had Malouda and Anelka, that's why he put Sturridge in the hulk role and he actually did really well.

We spent the summer chasing Hulk and Perreira and didn't get neither, then chased Modric all summer to end up with Raul Meireles a couple of hours before the deadline. So I don't think he really got the resources to play the style he wanted to play. However, like I said, AVB probably wouldn't have been a success anyway, it doesn't look like his style has flourished since, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.