Tomori was certainly quick and I recall had a couple of matches where he looked nervous.

He is also a little short for a CB these days and that goal West Ham scored where Azpi was on the back post, Azpi looked like a kid in comparison. 

Perhaps if we had a better keeper on crosses Tomori would get more of a look in as he certainly has qualities. 

 

7 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

Tomori was certainly quick and I recall had a couple of matches where he looked nervous.

He is also a little short for a CB these days and that goal West Ham scored where Azpi was on the back post, Azpi looked like a kid in comparison. 

Perhaps if we had a better keeper on crosses Tomori would get more of a look in as he certainly has qualities. 

 

When Tomori was on form he looked sh*t hot, but he did have a lot of hiccups in his passing play. Which happens with young defenders. But when he's good he's good, he put in some amazing performances and it sounds stupid saying it given the mistakes he has made but I think he's the best on the ball out of all 4 of them. If you watch his earliest games, he was fantastic at playing it out from the back. 

I think him and Ampadu need a Premier league loan where they play consistently for a season, before fighting for a place here. 

Its difficult for young defenders because mostakes are more likely to lead to goals compared with other areas of the pitch, and if they havent been able to nail down a place in a season with very little pressure, i dont fancy there chances next season, especially if we bring a good centre back in. They have high potential, but they arent going to reach it spending large parts of the season on the bench.

 

I really hope that those rumors are fake. Reports that we are planning to loan him to West Ham and getting Rice.

We can't send him, we have to build him in our team.

4 minutes ago, IliyaKrostin said:

I really hope that those rumors are fake. Reports that we are planning to loan him to West Ham and getting Rice.

We can't send him, we have to build him in our team.

Loaning him to west ham isn't a bad shout, he'll get loads of game time.

He won't get much here now atm because he's simply not as good as our other options

Just now, driller97 said:

Loaning him to west ham isn't a bad shout, he'll get loads of game time.

He won't get much here now atm because he's simply not as good as our other options

If true it also means that we get Rice for below his value. I assume that the loan is part of the deal.

5 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

If true it also means that we get Rice for below his value. I assume that the loan is part of the deal.

Not a bad deal imo, especially if we sell Zouma as well.

16 hours ago, driller97 said:

Loaning him to west ham isn't a bad shout, he'll get loads of game time.

He won't get much here now atm because he's simply not as good as our other options

He's been better than Christensen and Rudiger this season. 

Has to get a game now if he's match fit, Christensen wouldn't even make the Arsenal team with his past few games.

40 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

He's been better than Christensen and Rudiger this season. 

hes barely played!

Also it makes you wonder, Lampard has used plenty of youth players throughout this season and put his faith in a lot of them... So there is clearly a reason why he hasn't played Tomori that much.

17 hours ago, IliyaKrostin said:

I really hope that those rumors are fake. Reports that we are planning to loan him to West Ham and getting Rice.

We can't send him, we have to build him in our team.

I'm wondering if Declan Rice is actually worth even pursuing ?

Is he a better centre back or DM than what we have as our current options in those positions ?

1 hour ago, driller97 said:

hes barely played!

Also it makes you wonder, Lampard has used plenty of youth players throughout this season and put his faith in a lot of them... So there is clearly a reason why he hasn't played Tomori that much.

He's played 22 times this season. Seems strange that Lamps cast him aside once Rudiger came back. 

1 hour ago, driller97 said:

hes barely played!

Also it makes you wonder, Lampard has used plenty of youth players throughout this season and put his faith in a lot of them... So there is clearly a reason why he hasn't played Tomori that much.

Think that might be due to his aerial ability, think he lacks in that area in comparison to the other 3 CB's & with our difficulties from set pieces Lampard has had to go with a combination of the other 3 instead of Tomori.

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

He's played 22 times this season. Seems strange that Lamps cast him aside once Rudiger came back. 

Because as much as people hate to admit it, Rudiger is still better.

2 minutes ago, driller97 said:

Because as much as people hate to admit it, Rudiger is still better.

In what regard? What can he do that Tomori can't? Experience clearly doesn't count for much after his showings this season. 

16 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

In what regard? What can he do that Tomori can't? Experience clearly doesn't count for much after his showings this season. 

Its like the difference between Gilmour and Jorginho we saw yesterday.. Men vs boys

2 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Has to get a game now if he's match fit, Christensen wouldn't even make the Arsenal team with his past few games.

He is injured and hasn't been in the squad since the league resumed.

4 minutes ago, driller97 said:

Its like the difference between Gilmour and Jorginho we saw yesterday.. Men vs boys

Didn't answer my question, what does Rudiger do this season that Tomori doesn't?

That 'men v boy' argument doesn't sit well with me when our two best players (mount and pulisic) are boys. 

7 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Didn't answer my question, what does Rudiger do this season that Tomori doesn't?

That 'men v boy' argument doesn't sit well with me when our two best players (mount and pulisic) are boys. 

Just does everything better. But he just seems more prone to making mistakes which is a shame.

Also, Pulisic I can agree with but Mount? Just because he runs a lot and has high energy doesnt make him our best player.

34 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Didn't answer my question, what does Rudiger do this season that Tomori doesn't?

That 'men v boy' argument doesn't sit well with me when our two best players (mount and pulisic) are boys. 

Tomori has made a lot of mistakes and has some issues with confidence, but there's no denying that he's put in better performances than Rudiger has this season. Defensively Tomori has always been pretty solid actually, and when he hasn't made mistakes he looks excellent on the ball. 

51 minutes ago, driller97 said:

Just does everything better. But he just seems more prone to making mistakes which is a shame.

Also, Pulisic I can agree with but Mount? Just because he runs a lot and has high energy doesnt make him our best player.

Tomori is faster, just as strong, reads the game better, on par with distribution. Seriously, you say he does everything better, but what though? Can't think of anything he excels in. Maybe heading a ball? at a push.

Our entire team relies on Mount to set a tempo, one of the most important players in the team. If you can't see that since the restart then i can't help you.

24 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Tomori has made a lot of mistakes and has some issues with confidence, but there's no denying that he's put in better performances than Rudiger has this season. Defensively Tomori has always been pretty solid actually, and when he hasn't made mistakes he looks excellent on the ball. 

This is the point i'm trying to make. Doesn't have the experience but he's the better player this season. Rudiger is given the nod on reputation. 

On 08/07/2020 at 10:14, driller97 said:

hes barely played!

Also it makes you wonder, Lampard has used plenty of youth players throughout this season and put his faith in a lot of them... So there is clearly a reason why he hasn't played Tomori that much.

In the league and CL combined, he's only played 13 minutes fewer than Rüdiger.

He also played every minute of the run of form in the autumn which we have almost entirely to thank for currently being 3rd.

 

Does anyone know what his current status is? With the condemning form of all of our individual centre backs (Zouma perhaps exonerated), and the probability that the wise move probably includes a back three in one or more of the remaining games, it would be useful to have him available.

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6 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

In the league and CL combined, he's only played 13 minutes fewer than Rüdiger.

He also played every minute of the run of form in the autumn which we have almost entirely to thank for currently being 3rd.

 

Does anyone know what his current status us? With the condemning form of all of our individual centre backs (Zouma perhaps exonerated), and the probability that the wise move probably includes a back three in one or more of the remaining games, it would be useful to have him available.

According to an article in The Athletic Lampard was heard shouting "wake up" at his direction multiple times during the Bournemouth game.

That plus the early evidence him and Rudi don't look that great a partnership, probably explains why he's stopped playing.

Speaking of someone who has barely played, it makes me think back to Kalas , who only played one match for us, a 10/10 virtuoso performance versus Liverpool, and who never played another match for us after that.

i cannot fathom the reason why this is so; can anyone explain why this happened?

If you remember Kalas only played that game because of injury problems. It was a great performance so it was odd that he never got another chance. But,  he never went on to shine at other.clubs so it was pretty much just a one off performance well above his usual level.

I'm more interested to know why it went wrong for someone like Michael Duberry, who looked awesome in a string of games when he got his chance, then faded and never looked that good again.