2 hours ago, Slojo said:

Oh well thanks very much, because I was very confident before this City game, that might have just confirmed it, we're definitely winning 5-0 now. 

Thanks Strider, want to tell me Vincent Kompany and Yaya Toure have rejoined the team and are back back in their primes? 

He did not want to spoil your new year but the ref for the game is Anthony Taylor....;P

Happy new year everyone from France 🇫🇷 😁

I wish a success year for our club with Lampard as a coach hopefully 🎉

God we're a miserable bunch ain't we, we have no divine right to win games the league is very competitive anybody can win on their day

How anybody can want Lampard out is beyond me, call yourself Chelsea fans your an absolute disgrace

Yes we are in a bad patch of form, which coincidentally EVERY manager we sack and employ goes through at some point.

Win lose or draw KTBFFH

Super super Frank Super super Frank.

 

 

 

11 hours ago, axman2526 said:

He did not want to spoil your new year but the ref for the game is Anthony Taylor....;P

2 hours ago, tmarmsi said:

God we're a miserable bunch ain't we, we have no divine right to win games the league is very competitive anybody can win on their day

How anybody can want Lampard out is beyond me, call yourself Chelsea fans your an absolute disgrace

Yes we are in a bad patch of form, which coincidentally EVERY manager we sack and employ goes through at some point.

Win lose or draw KTBFFH

Super super Frank Super super Frank.

 

 

 

No team has a divine right to win the league but with the money spent, its not criminal for people to be disappointed at the football we are playing, team selections and lack of tactics/variation. 

Just because he's a club legend it doesn't mean he should be blindly supported for underachieving. No one is bigger than the  club and fans are putting the club first.

In the Roman era, Lampard has the worse win % of any manager alongside AVB. Even Sarri had a better win % and he was terrible.  

I'm sick of seeing the same 433 formation, players not performing week in week out in their not so favoured position and players like Christensen getting game. Lampard doesn't look like he's capable of taking us up a level which is to comfortably make top 4. Not a hard ask considering our resources.

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

No team has a divine right to win the league but with the money spent, its not criminal for people to be disappointed at the football we are playing, team selections and lack of tactics/variation. 

Just because he's a club legend it doesn't mean he should be blindly supported for underachieving. No one is bigger than the  club and fans are putting the club first.

In the Roman era, Lampard has the worse win % of any manager alongside AVB. Even Sarri had a better win % and he was terrible.  

I'm sick of seeing the same 433 formation, players not performing week in week out in their not so favoured position and players like Christensen getting game. Lampard doesn't look like he's capable of taking us up a level which is to comfortably make top 4. Not a hard ask considering our resources.

Sarri is a better manager than lampard, so not sure what you mean by that. Every club Sarri manages gets worse after he leaves. Of course lampard isn't as good as sarri, he's got significantly less experience at this level.

Lampard is the most junior and inexperienced manager we've ever had. He's going to need time to learn his style and either we are patient and allow him that time or we get a more experienced manager in. The hope is he improves and becomes that manager. 

Too many people think football managers are born great. That you either have it or you don't. To be a great top level manager you need to learn the game and that takes time. 

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

No team has a divine right to win the league but with the money spent, its not criminal for people to be disappointed at the football we are playing, team selections and lack of tactics/variation. 

Just because he's a club legend it doesn't mean he should be blindly supported for underachieving. No one is bigger than the  club and fans are putting the club first.

In the Roman era, Lampard has the worse win % of any manager alongside AVB. Even Sarri had a better win % and he was terrible.  

I'm sick of seeing the same 433 formation, players not performing week in week out in their not so favoured position and players like Christensen getting game. Lampard doesn't look like he's capable of taking us up a level which is to comfortably make top 4. Not a hard ask considering our resources.

People just get blinded because it’s Lampard I don’t support underachieving if you can’t do the job with the investment made you are simply not good enough. In my line of work which is sales driven you would hit every single sales target one year but if you miss one or two the next your head is on the chopping block it’s a results based world we live in.  This notion because he’s Lampard everyone should just ignore the mediocrity and praise him is just pure emotion.

10 minutes ago, Brutos said:

  This notion because he’s Lampard everyone should just ignore the mediocrity and praise him is just pure emotion.

You keep saying this as though it's a reality, pretty much everyone on here criticised him when he deserves it, stop making stuff up.

15 minutes ago, Brutos said:

People just get blinded because it’s Lampard I don’t support underachieving if you can’t do the job with the investment made you are simply not good enough. In my line of work which is sales driven you would hit every single sales target one year but if you miss one or two the next your head is on the chopping block it’s a results based world we live in.  This notion because he’s Lampard everyone should just ignore the mediocrity and praise him is just pure emotion.

Why do you keep insisting there is that notion that Lampard is beyond criticism? As one who advocates patience - and there are others who do the same - I've also said we have to step up; many others have said he's made mistakes.

You're just banging on the same drum over and over again, it's really getting boring.

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1 minute ago, dkw said:

You keep saying this as though it's a reality, pretty much everyone on here criticised him when he deserves it, stop making stuff up.

How dare you post practically the same as I did at the same second 

Some of the replies on here you'd think a lot of you are incapable of supporting a team when it's playing badly and loses 🤣

I honestly think all it will take is for 1 or 2 players to truly hit some top form, maybe small tweaks here and there and we will start winning a good few games again,

What's this notion of winning all the time, true support supports through the good and bad, as a team success is appreciated more after experiencing defeat.

33 minutes ago, dkw said:

You keep saying this as though it's a reality, pretty much everyone on here criticised him when he deserves it, stop making stuff up.

You damm well know that’s not true but great way to try and spin. When Lampard fumbles all you see “he’s young he’s inexperienced “ “give him time (which I also advocates I want him to get full 3 years which removes all excuses )” he’s learning on the job, “I would  take midtable if it means keeping Lampard”blah blah blah .....some here would cut their noses off before criticising Lampard. 

All mentioned above shortcomings  were all there before he took the job so now he’s in the job none of those factor in for me simply because he took the job knowing his short comings. It’s like lying on your CV you know data science and when asked to create a model you say I only did the training and I had one year experience can I learn on the job?

Company invested heavily in technology to help you achieve your goals but because of the lack of experience you often look clueless and loss.

34 minutes ago, Brutos said:

You damm well know that’s not true but great way to try and spin. When Lampard fumbles all you see “he’s young he’s inexperienced “ “give him time (which I also advocates I want him to get full 3 years which removes all excuses )” he’s learning on the job, “I would  take midtable if it means keeping Lampard”blah blah blah .....some here would cut their noses off before criticising Lampard. 

All mentioned above shortcomings  were all there before he took the job so now he’s in the job none of those factor in for me simply because he took the job knowing his short comings. It’s like lying on your CV you know data science and when asked to create a model you say I only did the training and I had one year experience can I learn on the job?

Company invested heavily in technology to help you achieve your goals but because of the lack of experience you often look clueless and loss.

That analogy doesn't work, Lampard did not lie on his CV the club knew what they were getting into by appointing Lampard. 

It's a case of an employee working for a company for well over a decade and the employer promoting them to a senior role and offering them all the tools to do the job. It doesn't mean they will immediately hit the ground running but it means they will showcase patience as they gather experience and the expertise to fulfil the job at an expected level. 

In addition Lampard has hit all his year 1 targets and therefore should be afforded time in year 2 and not be heckled by those outside looking in. 

1 hour ago, Brutos said:

You damm well know that’s not true but great way to try and spin. When Lampard fumbles all you see “he’s young he’s inexperienced “ “give him time (which I also advocates I want him to get full 3 years which removes all excuses )” he’s learning on the job, “I would  take midtable if it means keeping Lampard”blah blah blah .....some here would cut their noses off before criticising Lampard. 

All mentioned above shortcomings  were all there before he took the job so now he’s in the job none of those factor in for me simply because he took the job knowing his short comings. It’s like lying on your CV you know data science and when asked to create a model you say I only did the training and I had one year experience can I learn on the job?

Company invested heavily in technology to help you achieve your goals but because of the lack of experience you often look clueless and loss.

I didn't know you were clairvoyant and able to read my mind, wrongly BTW as more people have pointed out what I've pointed out. But hey, if you're a mindreader, you know what I think now....

I'm not going to repeat myself, unlike you I have no desire to be repetitive and boring.

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I think most fans just fear for Frank's future. Not sure how many actually wants him to get sacked. There are probably some actual fans as well but majority wants him to build the side. 

3 hours ago, Brutos said:

You damm well know that’s not true but great way to try and spin. When Lampard fumbles all you see “he’s young he’s inexperienced “ “give him time (which I also advocates I want him to get full 3 years which removes all excuses )” he’s learning on the job, “I would  take midtable if it means keeping Lampard”blah blah blah .....some here would cut their noses off before criticising Lampard. 

All mentioned above shortcomings  were all there before he took the job so now he’s in the job none of those factor in for me simply because he took the job knowing his short comings. It’s like lying on your CV you know data science and when asked to create a model you say I only did the training and I had one year experience can I learn on the job?

Company invested heavily in technology to help you achieve your goals but because of the lack of experience you often look clueless and loss.

I've said he's inexperienced, he needs time, etc. I knew that going in. So it's why I want him to have the full season and see where we are then. But that is a criticism because I wouldn't be talking about that if he was performing.

He hasn't overachieved for me at all and didn't last year, I think our team was top 4 worthy and that's where we ended up. I think Sarri would have got us top 3 last year and we'd have won the FA cup. Lampard is a noticable downgrade on sarri for me.

My hope is that he has the minerals to improve on the job because if we finish top 4 this season, we win a cup or go deep in the CL and we look impressive next year, we become a team that everyone will be envious of. Lampard is smart enough to become a top top manager, better than a Sarri. But he needs to learn on the job, no one is automatically world class as a manager. 

9 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I've said he's inexperienced, he needs time, etc. I knew that going in. So it's why I want him to have the full season and see where we are then. But that is a criticism because I wouldn't be talking about that if he was performing.

He hasn't overachieved for me at all and didn't last year, I think our team was top 4 worthy and that's where we ended up. I think Sarri would have got us top 3 last year and we'd have won the FA cup. Lampard is a noticable downgrade on sarri for me.

My hope is that he has the minerals to improve on the job because if we finish top 4 this season, we win a cup or go deep in the CL and we look impressive next year, we become a team that everyone will be envious of. Lampard is smart enough to become a top top manager, better than a Sarri. But he needs to learn on the job, no one is automatically world class as a manager. 

That's your opinion and fair enough, you're entitled to it.

My opinion is that Sarri only got us Top 4 and the Europa Cup due to one thing - Eden Hazard. With no Hazard, neither of those things would have happened and so he would have struggled big-time last season and probably would have got the sack.

 

 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

That's your opinion and fair enough, you're entitled to it.

My opinion is that Sarri only got us Top 4 and the Europa Cup due to one thing - Eden Hazard. With no Hazard, neither of those things would have happened and so he would have struggled big-time last season and probably would have got the sack.

 

Fact is Hazard had one of his best seasons under Sarri. I will always credit a manager for how the team plays. Hazard was a part of the team. Why people use Hazards performances AGAINST Sarri drives me insane.

Fact is also we never saw what Sarri would have done when Pulisic, Mount, James and Abraham added to his team (no one ever mentions the new additions lampard had for some reason. Mount is a player tailor made for Sarris style of football) and Hazard taken away. Because Sarri walked away or was sacked. 

In my opinion we'd have got more points and won the FA cup with him. Because Sarri is a more experienced and better manager than Lampard.

I don't mind different opinions on that because it's a hunch I have. I wish I could know what happened if a happy Sarri stayed for another season. We could well have seen our team go to another level like Napoli. We will never know.

I hope Lampard surpasses Sarri as a manager. But he hasn't yet. 

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1 hour ago, Nibs said:

That's your opinion and fair enough, you're entitled to it.

My opinion is that Sarri only got us Top 4 and the Europa Cup due to one thing - Eden Hazard. With no Hazard, neither of those things would have happened and so he would have struggled big-time last season and probably would have got the sack.

 

 

Bang on , Hazard was the difference in so many games. Not only was he the best played in the league in his final season but he helped overinflate some other players stats with the space he created for them.

In the last few seasons at Chelsea and Juve a number of players have come out and said some astonishing things about Sarri, Pjanic saying he didn't trust his players, Fabregas and Kova questioned his training methods and allegedly Willian and Hazard were bored playing under Sarri. 

I don't want to underplay and discredit Sarri for what he did for us but for some reason it just didn't seem like the right fit especially once Hazard left. Under Sarri we did play very predictable football which was possession oriented and against high pressing teams who managed to negate the Jorginho avenue we became somewhat toothless. 

Having said all that Sarri always made it quite clear he will be back in Italy the moment he got the opportunity and once the Juve job became available he was never going to stay. 

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We are only 6 points clear of Arsenal who are having a terrible season after 16 games. Let that sink in.

15 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

We are only 6 points clear of Arsenal who are having a terrible season after 16 games. Let that sink in.

We're 7 points behind the league leaders, what's your point. 

17 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

We are only 6 points clear of Arsenal who are having a terrible season after 16 games. Let that sink in.

And 4 points from being 3rd in the league. 

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Fact is Hazard had one of his best seasons under Sarri. I will always credit a manager for how the team plays. Hazard was a part of the team. Why people use Hazards performances AGAINST Sarri drives me insane.

Fact is also we never saw what Sarri would have done when Pulisic, Mount, James and Abraham added to his team (no one ever mentions the new additions lampard had for some reason. Mount is a player tailor made for Sarris style of football) and Hazard taken away. Because Sarri walked away or was sacked. 

In my opinion we'd have got more points and won the FA cup with him. Because Sarri is a more experienced and better manager than Lampard.

I don't mind different opinions on that because it's a hunch I have. I wish I could know what happened if a happy Sarri stayed for another season. We could well have seen our team go to another level like Napoli. We will never know.

I hope Lampard surpasses Sarri as a manager. But he hasn't yet. 

By the same token if we had backed Conte after the first great season like we have Lampard what could we have achieved and where could we be now.

Perhaps we wouldn't have had the hissy fits and sh!t management in that second year and perhaps we could have started a new level of dominance of football instead of those dirty scousers

1 hour ago, evissy said:

And 4 points from being 3rd in the league. 

To a club on a budget not even half of ours who are over achieving relative to us.