Never thought i'd see the day me and yorkleyblue agreed on almost everything but here we are! 😄

35 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Game of opinions, was it not you a few pages back that said you loved the park the bus if we won? (Apologies if I’ve got you confused with another poster). We scored 3 goals and conceded zero goals or even shots on target. That’s a good performance I’d say, was it a steller one? No but still good. Also, as we love stats on the forum. The xG from that game was Chelsea - 2.39 & West Ham - 0.57 so our performance more than merited winning the game even judging by the stats.

No it wasn't me that said that but it may aswell be, because I would rather play 'boring' and win as opposed to exciting and lose. Problem is we are playing boring and still not winning. 

If you watched the game make no mistake the 3-0 very much flattered us. We played well but for large parts West Ham were the better side.  But the result was the main thing. We deserved to but it wasn't a 3-0 game just like us losing to Utd last season wasn't reflective of the actual match.

10 minutes ago, Argo said:

Out of curiosity why do you (and others who this also falls under can answer it) not rate Tuchel? If it's because he can be a bit confrontational fair enough but if it's tactical reason's then may i ask why? His style is well suited to modern football and the players we have/direction we've headed in since Sarri and he gives youth a chance (not so much at PSG but he brought through Pulisic and Dembele at BVB). If we got him i think he'll surprise people similar to how Conte did.

Put it this way he's a better fit for our needs than Pochettino who people fell over themselves for.

Good question, and was wondering the same myself. he did get PSG to the CL Final for the first time, and losing 1-0 to Bayern is hardly a disgrace when the we were spanked 7-1 on aggregate and Barca got walloped 8-2 ! He also did well in Germany from what I've read, finishing 2nd and 3rd with Dortmund in his two seasons in charge (Klopp had Dortmund in 7th the year before Tuchel took over).

Would not surprise me at all to see the club go in his direction if Frank doesn't work out.

Nice to see the club giving Frank a fair crack of the whip though, and resisting all the bollocks in the (social) media  🙂

13 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Never thought i'd see the day me and yorkleyblue agreed on almost everything but here we are! 😄

We truly are living in weird times, mate.

Anyway, welcome to the path or truth and light 🙂

25 minutes ago, dkw said:

For comparison heres the table last season after 18/19 games. I think it highlights just how all over the place this season is. You only have to look at the jumps in points for non European competition teams like West ham, Everton, Southampton etc to see the impact the schedule is having on this season.

That's a good point. I've seen a lot of criticism along the lines of "he's always chopping and changing the midfield/forwards so the players aren't used to playing together", but how do you play a consistent line-up, including many new players that need to adapt from other leagues, when you have to play two games every week (which also limits the progress that can be made on the training ground)? And that's without mentioning the significant injury problems we've had.

I'd love to see Lampard given a 'normal' season to see what he can do with a normal schedule, fans in the ground, and after a full pre-season, but I don't feel very optimistic about that and feel that a sacking is imminent.

 

It seems Frank has more time which is great. Win Luton, Wolves and Burnley and we have more positive situation. Wins are a crucial but Frank has to fix the system.

If you say to the players "no changes, same backline, Mason is nailed on and today it is Werner up top" they will ask "so what do we do differently to change our fortunes? " Frank replies "you just run more" the players will lose confidence in him. 

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

The only fans I see on here trying to point score are the ones thinking they are more loyal fans of the club because they are backing Frank no matter how crap we do.

Frank is a legend so it's pretty dumb to think any fan enjoy seeing him fail wasting, wasting their time on this forum stating reasons why he should be sacked

What a load of Bollocks, How would it make you More loyal?? Those of us that back Frank have our reasons, mainly because we are sick of seeing the managers revolving door at the club constantly turning. Frank has had a season and half, one season with a transfer ban, and half a season with a new set of players that are young and need time to gel.

If you think that's ample time to be calling for his head then I feel sorry for you as you clearly know f**k all about football

Edited January 21, 20215 yr by Osgoodwasgood

55 minutes ago, dkw said:

Oh no, 3 points down is massive, sack him now.....Klopp is 14 down on last season, he must be favourite for the sack then?

For comparison heres the table last season after 18/19 games. I think it highlights just how all over the place this season is. You only have to look at the jumps in points for non European competition teams like West ham, Everton, Southampton etc to see the impact the schedule is having on this season.

 

Played    position    team                 points    2020    +/-
19                 1         Man Utd              40          28     +12
18                 2         Man City              38          38      0
19                 3         Leicester city        38          39      -1
18                 4         Liverpool              34          52    -14
18                 5         Tottenham           33          29     +4
17                 6         Everton                32          22    +10
19                 7         West Ham            32          19    +13
19                 8         Chelsea                29          32     -3
18                 9         Southampton      29           21     +8
19                10        Arsenal                27           24    +3
 

I really dislike people who intentionally ignore the context...Liverpool had a million injury and their last season form is unsustainable

we added 200m+ worth of talent and played worse

41 minutes ago, Argo said:

Out of curiosity why do you (and others who this also falls under can answer it) not rate Tuchel? If it's because he can be a bit confrontational fair enough but if it's tactical reason's then may i ask why? His style is well suited to modern football and the players we have/direction we've headed in since Sarri and he gives youth a chance (not so much at PSG but he brought through Pulisic and Dembele at BVB). If we got him i think he'll surprise people similar to how Conte did.

Put it this way he's a better fit for our needs than Pochettino who people fell over themselves for.

He is a great manager, but if he has issue with Dortmund and PSG board, he is 2000% going to have problem with our board too. We all know our board isnt the nicest one to work with

7 hours ago, cfcforeverfan said:

No experienced manager want to come to a club with no transfer window and losing their best player (Hazard), it is a recipe for disaster and no manager would risk their career like that

Frank Lampard took the job because he is a rookie and there wont be a better chance for him to manage Chelsea, as you said the board can always find a better and more experienced manager than him

Where is this nonsense that no manager would have taken the Chelsea job come from?  There would have been loads of managers willing to take the roll, we are one of the biggest clubs in world.  A transfer ban is not going to deter most managers in fact it would have given them a season with low expectations and less pressure and in no way career ending.  Most of the managers we are currently linked aren't exactly elite level managers and would most likely of taken the job.  I mean it's not like Leicester, Southampton, and Leipzig can compete with us in the transfer window, we out spent them all over the last 2 seasons in one window.  I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have turned us down, but they where never asked and I think Frank might even have been our number one choice.

7 minutes ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

What a load of Bollocks, How would it make you More loyal?? Those of us that back Frank have our reasons, mainly because we are sick of seeing the managers revolving door at the club constantly turning. Frank has had a season and half, one season with a transfer ban, and half a season with a new set of players that are young and need time to gel.

If you think that's ample time to be calling for his head then I feel sorry for you as you clearly know f**k all about football

That's the thing..it doesn't! But the arrogant comments im reading suggests so. The revolving door of managers is the reason why you celebrated a champions league win, don't forget that.

Anyway let's hope things change for the better. The decision is Romans and if he does make a change i guess he knows nothing about football too.

Edited January 21, 20215 yr by KonaKai Blue

4 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I really dislike people who intentionally ignore the context...Liverpool had a million injury and their last season form is unsustainable

we added 200m+ worth of talent and played worse

Why do you think the injuries did not impact them as much as they did to us?

Could it be that they've had a Manager in place for 5 years who has had the time to build a squad in his image and therefore can bring in players who understand the playing style and tactics without too big of an impact to the playing 11?

2 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

That's the thing..it doesn't! But the arrogant comments im reading suggests so.

Anyway let's hope things change for the better. The decision is Romans and if he does make a change i guess he knows nothing about football too.

Priceless

For me Frank needs to change our tactics and formation. I miss the old swash buckling counter attacking style we had, this slow possession based football has put me off watching games at times.

We need to keep playing Havertz & Werner until it works. 

15 minutes ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

What a load of Bollocks, How would it make you More loyal?? Those of us that back Frank have our reasons, mainly because we are sick of seeing the managers revolving door at the club constantly turning. Frank has had a season and half, one season with a transfer ban, and half a season with a new set of players that are young and need time to gel.

If you think that's ample time to be calling for his head then I feel sorry for you as you clearly know f**k all about football

I don't mind being called a f**kwit for thinking frank should go. It's my opinion and I own it. I think you are being naive if you think he can improve this team. One of us is right, we can't actually know for certain who is, I certainly am not miles away from your opinion. 

That's the point of a forum. We debate. We have a difference of opinion. We're all grown ups here and I don't care if people disagree with my view on things. 

But there are a couple of old farts who think those who think frank isn't the right man for the job means they are glory hunters and not proper chelsea fans. That a real football fan doesn't want to win trophies or be in the champions league. That is the absurdity of some people here. 

So Lampard has more time, let's hope he comes up with a solution instead of this getting embarrassing for him.

Edited January 21, 20215 yr by strider6004

6 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Where is this nonsense that no manager would have taken the Chelsea job come from?  There would have been loads of managers willing to take the roll, we are one of the biggest clubs in world.  A transfer ban is not going to deter most managers in fact it would have given them a season with low expectations and less pressure and in no way career ending.  Most of the managers we are currently linked aren't exactly elite level managers and would most likely of taken the job.  I mean it's not like Leicester, Southampton, and Leipzig can compete with us in the transfer window, we out spent them all over the last 2 seasons in one window.  I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have turned us down, but they where never asked and I think Frank might even have been our number one choice.

I think people forget that the Chelsea job is a win win for any Manager, the worse that can happen is that they get fired but that is the norm for any Manager who manages us and hence has no bearing on their reputation as our board is known for their decisiveness when it comes to firing Managers. Majority of Managers who have managed Chelsea have walked into big roles after getting the sack.

Before Frank was appointed the board had ample time to find the right candidate for the job because I think Sarri's fate was sealed pretty much after the City and Bournemouth results, we couldve appointed Brendan Rodgers, Eddie Howe (Who was highly rated at the time) or Ancelotti but the club clearly pursued Lampard and he was the main target. 

13 minutes ago, Malcolm9 said:

For me Frank needs to change our tactics and formation. I miss the old swash buckling counter attacking style we had, this slow possession based football has put me off watching games at times.

We need to keep playing Havertz & Werner until it works. 

I agree, particularly the midfield, never had a consistent line up for various reasons and to me they are not clear on what their role is when they do start. Need a bit more bite in there too.  I think the defense will come good they had an excellent spell before this current slump and still a lot better than they were last season and he beginning of this, and going forward, just shoot more and be more clinical.

Irony is all the areas that Frank was a master at as a player 🙂

28 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Cheers.  The phrase "glory hunting" comes to mind.  That and the way that the want it all generation have taken to social meeja.

Can you tell me exactly what success Rodgers has had?  Premier League, FA Cup or League Cup, Champions League, Thursday night cup? Anything? (and try not to make yourself look too silly)

Only the bad performances can be blamed on the manager ,mate, don't you realise that?

Someone else has listed the matches, scores and performances.  My point was we STILL have only lost 6 matches, and that includes City, Liverpool, Leicester and Arsenal at Christmas and that anyone demanding managerial sackings half way through the season based on that is showing an embarrassing spoilt bratness. (If that is indeed a word.  If not, it should be.)

It's also comical that so many experts in here know exactly what the board agreed with Frank as to his 3-year goals and also know exactly what needs to be done to rectify the horrendous situation where we are a full 9 points off of the top spot.  As @dkw pointed out, Liverpool are 14 points worse off and several league places lower than this time last year.  Why isn't there a clamour for Klopp to be sacked and replaced by a new, shiny manager who has been sacked by another team with feckless supporters.

Hope you don't mind me asking but i can recall you wrote off Michy (rightly may i add) pretty early on, still to this day maintain Mou was right with the KDB situation citing that he didn't impress in his appeances for us (5 starts and 2 late cameo's) and aren't exactly showing a great deal of patience towards Kai Havertz despite him moving to a brand new country during a pandemic where he caught the virus that caused/is still causing you and many others on here to demand football's indefinite suspension.

Now all of that is/was your opinion which you have every right to hold but if your stance is Lamps should still get blanket patience for the forseable 18 months in shouldn't that also apply to a young player 6 months in who had to leave his native land during a unprecedented global pandemic and to top it off caught a bad dose of that very virus? Likewise way back when with two Belgium internationals before they even got to double figures for starts at the club.

5 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I don't mind being called a f**kwit for thinking frank should go. It's my opinion and I own it. I think you are being naive if you think he can improve this team. One of us is right, we can't actually know for certain who is, I certainly am not miles away from your opinion. 

That's the point of a forum. We debate. We have a difference of opinion. We're all grown ups here and I don't care if people disagree with my view on things. 

But there are a couple of old farts who think those who think frank isn't the right man for the job means they are glory hunters and not proper chelsea fans. That a real football fan doesn't want to win trophies or be in the champions league. That is the absurdity of some people here. 

Im not criticising you for having your opinion whether I agree with it or not, but to be accused of trying to look a more "loyal" supporter because of my opinion is Bollocks.

im suffering as much as the next Chelsea fan, my opinion as ive stated several times recently is that the players Frank has at his disposal in the defensive third of the pitch are not good enough to play the way he wants to play, and the club having already forked out 200m are unlikely make further funds available until the right players become available in the summer.

So, does Frank abandon his ideas and revert to a style of play that appeases some supporters and wait for players that can execute his ideas, or Carry on trying to promote his style of play with these players in the hope that the penny drops or do the club sack him, even though when they gave him the chance less than a season and a half ago knowing full well that he was inexperienced.

For me its not about it being Frank Lampard the Chelsea Legend, its the fact that the club knew what they were taking on when they assigned him, so why sack him if they're not in it for the long Haul.

It's worth to remember that Sarri had his own struggles around this point and he kept pushing his way and eventually the reward for that was a top 3 finish.

We haven't beaten our rivals yet and to me it looks pretty much impossible that we fail to beat a top team this season even if we haven't been in a good shape for some time.

Our form should change for the better, if at any point we manage to make things click and get 3-5 wins in a row that will boost our top 4 chances. 

32 minutes ago, Argo said:

Hope you don't mind me asking but i can recall you wrote off Michy (rightly may i add) pretty early on, still to this day maintain Mou was right with the KDB situation citing that he didn't impress in his appeances for us (5 starts and 2 late cameo's) and aren't exactly showing a great deal of patience towards Kai Havertz despite him moving to a brand new country during a pandemic where he caught the virus that caused/is still causing you and many others on here to demand football's indefinite suspension.

Now all of that is/was your opinion which you have every right to hold but if your stance is Lamps should still get blanket patience for the forseable 18 months in shouldn't that also apply to a young player 6 months in who had to leave his native land during a unprecedented global pandemic and to top it off caught a bad dose of that very virus? Likewise way back when with two Belgium internationals before they even got to double figures for starts at the club.

Of course I don't mind.  I wasn't convinced by Michy, that's true and I still wait to be shown anything De Bruyne did in a blue shirt to warrant him getting a place over seasoned and very good internationals at the time.  My view was always that he didn't have the patience or the bottle to fight for a place and was basically pants when he got a chance, so he took the easy option - to our detriment, as it turned out, but anyone who says that he deserved a first team place with us is distorting the historical facts.

My opinion on Havertz was and is only a response to some googling twat who started with "Havertz is the best player in the squad and the whole team and tactics should be built around him" to which I said that nothing he had done in a Blue shirt indicated that or anything other than he was being played because of his price tag, and that he showed very little of the basic required skills of a footballer at any level.  The same idiot then kept posting stats, graphs and youtube videos of the player in his previous club in a different league playing in a different style, but which still didn't manage to show him trapping the ball, passing to a team mate or not losing the ball in dangerous areas costing us goals.  It may well be that he is a very good player, but wittering on about him being a "generational talent" (ie Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho level) is just stupidity based on what he's done in Blue.

Lamps should be given support and patience because we are only in a dip in form, we have only lost 6 matches this season, are only 11 points off the top which is better than the same stage last year, so yes, demands for his immediate sacking at this stage are short-sighted and, to my mind, a bit of knee-jerk glory-hunting.

47 minutes ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

Im not criticising you for having your opinion whether I agree with it or not, but to be accused of trying to look a more "loyal" supporter because of my opinion is Bollocks.

im suffering as much as the next Chelsea fan, my opinion as ive stated several times recently is that the players Frank has at his disposal in the defensive third of the pitch are not good enough to play the way he wants to play, and the club having already forked out 200m are unlikely make further funds available until the right players become available in the summer.

So, does Frank abandon his ideas and revert to a style of play that appeases some supporters and wait for players that can execute his ideas, or Carry on trying to promote his style of play with these players in the hope that the penny drops or do the club sack him, even though when they gave him the chance less than a season and a half ago knowing full well that he was inexperienced.

For me its not about it being Frank Lampard the Chelsea Legend, its the fact that the club knew what they were taking on when they assigned him, so why sack him if they're not in it for the long Haul.

I think the person who was "criticising" was actually referring to others. But it's impossible to know because there's a million and one posts now. 

Think we all care about chelsea a bit! 

For me, I want to hear frank communicate to the fans what his style is. What is he trying to do and what isn't happening. Because I am tired of only hearing about "effort". Maybe I've missed the memo, but it seems to be a 433 and cross a lot. 

If I knew he was thinking in a style of play, I'd be prepared to be more patient. But we're all going round the houses. I completely get your opinion. 

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I think the person who was "criticising" was actually referring to others. But it's impossible to know because there's a million and one posts now. 

Think we all care about chelsea a bit! 

For me, I want to hear frank communicate to the fans what his style is. What is he trying to do and what isn't happening. Because I am tired of only hearing about "effort". Maybe I've missed the memo, but it seems to be a 433 and cross a lot. 

If I knew he was thinking in a style of play, I'd be prepared to be more patient. But we're all going round the houses. I completely get your opinion. 

Against Fulham we started with a 4-3-3 and switched to a 4-4-2 in the latter part of the 2nd half, it was the same case in the FA Cup game. Against Leicester we didn't play 4-3-3 at any stage, we started with 4-2-3-1 and switched to 4-4-2 in the latter stages of the 2nd half.

He is clearly looking to change things and you can tell the coaching staff have started to explore other formations and tactics since they've had time over the last 2 weeks. I've heard a lot of noise about sticking with 4-3-3 etc. in the last 2 weeks whilst clearly ignoring the tactical changes in the last 3 games.

1 hour ago, DarkMata said:

Where is this nonsense that no manager would have taken the Chelsea job come from?  There would have been loads of managers willing to take the roll, we are one of the biggest clubs in world.  A transfer ban is not going to deter most managers in fact it would have given them a season with low expectations and less pressure and in no way career ending.  Most of the managers we are currently linked aren't exactly elite level managers and would most likely of taken the job.  I mean it's not like Leicester, Southampton, and Leipzig can compete with us in the transfer window, we out spent them all over the last 2 seasons in one window.  I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have turned us down, but they where never asked and I think Frank might even have been our number one choice.

No experienced, world class manager would want to take this job when the best you could get is top 4 like Lampard did - which will probably means nth in their career as you wont put 'i lead a Chelsea team with no transfer window and no Hazard to top 4' in your CV and the worst you could get is like midtable and getting the sack in the end of the season. We are well known to sack our manager when things going south and no elite manager would want to take that risk when you have no transfer window to tinker the team