29 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Real still want Kane on top of the 100m they splashed for Bellingham. 

Apparently Arsenal want Kai.

i don't want Havertz to go to Arsenal, let him go to Madrid

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently Arsenal want Kai.

I know his best years were 2 seasons ago but he's not ready to retire just yet  

Jokes aside, if the owners sell Kai to Arsenal you know he will explode under Arteta. The owners need to understand one crucial thing do not sell key players to domestic rivals and especially don't sell players with high potential to our rival team. 

Most people will argue Kai Havertz won't turn out as good as KDB or Salah because he's had more time to prove himself. Kai Havertz is a top footballer, inconsistent yes but he is very good.

I'm not bias I'm talking purely from what I see with my eyes, disregard the positional debate (his best position) when he has a team, coach and manager that plays to his strengths and that's having an actual striker in the team to play with not called Lukaku you will see his best.

Kai Havertz is a very misunderstood footballer no doubt a victim of his own versatility. If you want to see the best version of him look at the UCL final. He bossed Man City, it was an exceptional performance he played through Werner and Pulisic for 1 on 1s multiple times. This is what he is capable of creativity in high level games and decisive moments.

Specifically though the goal is no mistake, game plan executed perfectly. Kai Havertz is what I like to call a ghost striker, some people may refer to that as striker support, a number 10 or a false 9. I think he combines all of these unique profiles. The reason I say ghost is because when he's not the centre of attention that's when he can attack the box to the best of his ability. 

The goal against City in which Timo was the (decoy) defenders main concern is a prime example. It meant Kai was given the space to attack and he took his chance. 

Late runs into the box, or quick transitions is when you see him at his best. Does he miss a lot of chances yes but so do all the elite players, Salah when he first came to Liverpool was missing loads but he always manged to score in the end. 

I still believe in him, if he's to be sold I would accept it like any other player he's not Eden Hazard don't get me wrong. Yet I promise you he will be a top player in the next 10 years which is why we signed him. We can't forget that players like him don't fully reach their level until 25-28 and sometimes slightly later. He's not a player that relies purely on his pace, it's more his intelligence and his natural ability as he's very technical.

 

4 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Jokes aside, if the owners sell Kai to Arsenal you know he will explode under Arteta. The owners need to understand one crucial thing do not sell key players to domestic rivals and especially don't sell players with high potential to our rival team. 

Most people will argue Kai Havertz won't turn out as good as KDB or Salah because he's had more time to prove himself. Kai Havertz is a top footballer, inconsistent yes but he is very good.

I'm not bias I'm talking purely from what I see with my eyes, disregard the positional debate (his best position) when he has a team, coach and manager that plays to his strengths and that's having an actual striker in the team to play with not called Lukaku you will see his best.

Kai Havertz is a very misunderstood footballer no doubt a victim of his own versatility. If you want to see the best version of him look at the UCL final. He bossed Man City, it was an exceptional performance he played through Werner and Pulisic for 1 on 1s multiple times. This is what he is capable of creativity in high level games and decisive moments.

Specifically though the goal is no mistake, game plan executed perfectly. Kai Havertz is what I like to call a ghost striker, some people may refer to that as striker support, a number 10 or a false 9. I think he combines all of these unique profiles. The reason I say ghost is because when he's not the centre of attention that's when he can attack the box to the best of his ability. 

The goal against City in which Timo was the (decoy) defenders main concern is a prime example. It meant Kai was given the space to attack and he took his chance. 

Late runs into the box, or quick transitions is when you see him at his best. Does he miss a lot of chances yes but so do all the elite players, Salah when he first came to Liverpool was missing loads but he always manged to score in the end. 

I still believe in him, if he's to be sold I would accept it like any other player he's not Eden Hazard don't get me wrong. Yet I promise you he will be a top player in the next 10 years which is why we signed him. We can't forget that players like him don't fully reach their level until 25-28 and sometimes slightly later. He's not a player that relies purely on his pace, it's more his intelligence and his natural ability as he's very technical.

 

Where would he play under Arteta? He's demonstrably inferior to Gabriel Jesus in the role you described, and he's definitely not beating out Odegaard to play deeper. 

Havertz has all the attributes to be a great support striker, except one crucial one which is the ability to beat a man. I mean that technically and mentally too, he simply lacks the drive and aggression to take on a defender.

Until he develops that, he will be unrealised potential.

17 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Jokes aside, if the owners sell Kai to Arsenal you know he will explode under Arteta. The owners need to understand one crucial thing do not sell key players to domestic rivals and especially don't sell players with high potential to our rival team. 

Most people will argue Kai Havertz won't turn out as good as KDB or Salah because he's had more time to prove himself. Kai Havertz is a top footballer, inconsistent yes but he is very good.

I'm not bias I'm talking purely from what I see with my eyes, disregard the positional debate (his best position) when he has a team, coach and manager that plays to his strengths and that's having an actual striker in the team to play with not called Lukaku you will see his best.

Kai Havertz is a very misunderstood footballer no doubt a victim of his own versatility. If you want to see the best version of him look at the UCL final. He bossed Man City, it was an exceptional performance he played through Werner and Pulisic for 1 on 1s multiple times. This is what he is capable of creativity in high level games and decisive moments.

Specifically though the goal is no mistake, game plan executed perfectly. Kai Havertz is what I like to call a ghost striker, some people may refer to that as striker support, a number 10 or a false 9. I think he combines all of these unique profiles. The reason I say ghost is because when he's not the centre of attention that's when he can attack the box to the best of his ability. 

The goal against City in which Timo was the (decoy) defenders main concern is a prime example. It meant Kai was given the space to attack and he took his chance. 

Late runs into the box, or quick transitions is when you see him at his best. Does he miss a lot of chances yes but so do all the elite players, Salah when he first came to Liverpool was missing loads but he always manged to score in the end. 

I still believe in him, if he's to be sold I would accept it like any other player he's not Eden Hazard don't get me wrong. Yet I promise you he will be a top player in the next 10 years which is why we signed him. We can't forget that players like him don't fully reach their level until 25-28 and sometimes slightly later. He's not a player that relies purely on his pace, it's more his intelligence and his natural ability as he's very technical.

 

You're talking about a player who has never cut it in the Premiership/ domestic cups or ECL. his return is non existent. You're highlighting one game two years ago, where are other performances of that "stature" - they are so few and far between its tedious watching people defend fin him. 

Awful signing and at best a mediocre player who can't play the pace of the premierhisp. He needs a slow league where players don't press on him to look good. SSDD with Felix. premiership to quick. 

If any club in the UK want to take him off us, Id be happy - if united came in for him id consider it even Stevens after we signed Veron from them all those years ago. He was largely anonymous like Kai. Some players dont cut the mustard. 

Apparently Real value Havertz at no more than 42mill 

They also have moved on from Kane to target Martinez of Inter.

44 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently Real value Havertz at no more than 42mill 

They also have moved on from Kane to target Martinez of Inter.

To repeat our interaction in the mason mount thread. I’m glad the media / worldwide consensus is Lavia is worth more than all our players 

On 09/06/2023 at 18:55, axman2526 said:

Apparently Real value Havertz at no more than 42mill 

They also have moved on from Kane to target Martinez of Inter.

Real gonna struggle if they're targeting Martinez over Kane.

They're probably right about Kai's valuation though.

Deal now off.

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Deal now off.

Aye Fabrizio reporting price is too much for them so they have moved on while we are convinced other clubs will come in and pay what we are asking, or get much closer to it.

48 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Aye Fabrizio reporting price is too much for them so they have moved on while we are convinced other clubs will come in and pay what we are asking, or get much closer to it.

Seems really daft but all we can do is trust them. 

Thought Real's interest alone was a miracle in itself. 

Surely Bayern Munich come in for him, its the most obvious transfer ever. German, dominated the league before, still young, ready made replacement for ageing Muller, Bayern without a striker. 

Seems obvious. Fingers crossed. Though I seem to be one of the few who think the best could be yet to come under Pochettino who won't play him out of position.

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Seems obvious. Fingers crossed. Though I seem to be one of the few who think the best could be yet to come under Pochettino who won't play him out of position.

I don't think he has a position. There is no position in any squad for a player that doesn't look interested.

On 08/06/2023 at 18:24, LongtimerLurker said:

Jokes aside, if the owners sell Kai to Arsenal you know he will explode under Arteta. The owners need to understand one crucial thing do not sell key players to domestic rivals and especially don't sell players with high potential to our rival team. 

Most people will argue Kai Havertz won't turn out as good as KDB or Salah because he's had more time to prove himself. Kai Havertz is a top footballer, inconsistent yes but he is very good.

I'm not bias I'm talking purely from what I see with my eyes, disregard the positional debate (his best position) when he has a team, coach and manager that plays to his strengths and that's having an actual striker in the team to play with not called Lukaku you will see his best.

Kai Havertz is a very misunderstood footballer no doubt a victim of his own versatility. If you want to see the best version of him look at the UCL final. He bossed Man City, it was an exceptional performance he played through Werner and Pulisic for 1 on 1s multiple times. This is what he is capable of creativity in high level games and decisive moments.

Specifically though the goal is no mistake, game plan executed perfectly. Kai Havertz is what I like to call a ghost striker, some people may refer to that as striker support, a number 10 or a false 9. I think he combines all of these unique profiles. The reason I say ghost is because when he's not the centre of attention that's when he can attack the box to the best of his ability. 

The goal against City in which Timo was the (decoy) defenders main concern is a prime example. It meant Kai was given the space to attack and he took his chance. 

Late runs into the box, or quick transitions is when you see him at his best. Does he miss a lot of chances yes but so do all the elite players, Salah when he first came to Liverpool was missing loads but he always manged to score in the end. 

I still believe in him, if he's to be sold I would accept it like any other player he's not Eden Hazard don't get me wrong. Yet I promise you he will be a top player in the next 10 years which is why we signed him. We can't forget that players like him don't fully reach their level until 25-28 and sometimes slightly later. He's not a player that relies purely on his pace, it's more his intelligence and his natural ability as he's very technical.

 

This. 

 

Always believed he has the ability to shine.. He is yet to hit his peak.

People forget without Havertz and other key players such as we wouldn't have a CL. 

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/transfer-news/off-fabrizio-romano-claims-chelsea-transfer-is-no-longer-happening-following-reports-of-52m-agreement/

On 08/06/2023 at 18:24, LongtimerLurker said:

Jokes aside, if the owners sell Kai to Arsenal you know he will explode under Arteta. The owners need to understand one crucial thing do not sell key players to domestic rivals and especially don't sell players with high potential to our rival team. 

 

 

I don't think he will, he doesn't fit into their style at all, Arteta has them playing full on, its all about pace and speed. His forwards are in the defenders faces pressuring, Kai wont do that at all, he also slows the game down considerably. He will do as well as all the others they got from us lately, who also were apparently going to do amazing for them...

If he puts pressure on to move at a reduced price then fine, as long as he buys out part of his contract to compensate for the reduced price. if he wants the move that badly, then HE has to make it happen, but not at our expense.

18 hours ago, dermott said:

Seems obvious. Fingers crossed. Though I seem to be one of the few who think the best could be yet to come under Pochettino who won't play him out of position.

What is his position exactly though? He's played everywhere for us and not shone in a single one

Hybrid 10/midfielder. He's not and never has been a 9. Except at Chelsea and that's by default.

Edited June 13, 20233 yr by dermott

5 minutes ago, dermott said:

Hybrid 10/midfielder. He's not and never has been a 9. Except at Chelsea and that's by default.

Not true. His run of form post the first lockdown, that made us buy him, saw him playing as a 9 for Leverkusen.

Id be happy if we sold him for anything above £40m. Takes him off our books and a slight profit on the book value with two years left.

I think that's the angle Madrid were angling for. He's never going to make it here.

2 hours ago, True Blue23 said:

Not true. His run of form post the first lockdown, that made us buy him, saw him playing as a 9 for Leverkusen.

Yep, and his best run for us was at a false 9. 

Kai Havertz -type of player is the reason I don't like the Premier League's playing style that much. Many players (last one being Zlatan) said Premier League is all muscle, pace and strenght. Technical abilities are much more in the forefront in other top leagues, like Spain. In England a fast sprinter could be the star player. I personally love players with vision and passing skill more than headless-chicken type of running. Our football has been like that for a while. 

Kai is very technical player whose skillset is made for technical league. I think he will be excellent in Spain if he goes there. The style of play is much more natural for his type of player. He will feel much more at home there.