Epic real-time strategy, start Ziyech, do a magic trick and get him out of the pitch = score goal and win

Nothing he tries ever comes off. 

So at what point do you stop thinking that he's unlucky and start saying he makes bad choices and bad crosses/passes/shots. 

Consistently underwhelming. 

8 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Nothing he tries ever comes off. 

So at what point do you stop thinking that he's unlucky and start saying he makes bad choices and bad crosses/passes/shots. 

Consistently underwhelming. 

No more excuses.. shouldn’t start anymore needs to buy minutes thru performances as a sub for me now.

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

Guy is so frustrating.

Unlucky too. He looked lively & was close to breaking the deadlock for us.

I wouldn't be too harsh. He's motivated to prove a point. But the should injury has hurt him alot.

Assists and scores whilst playing a bad game. 

Marmite 

Just now, Deino said:

Assists and scores whilst playing a bad game. 

Marmite 

did i miss a goal? 

I'm not his biggest fan, but I think he wasn't bad tonight even if you take away his goal.

Decent performance and glad he scored.

1 minute ago, erskblue said:

Decent performance and glad he scored.

Good showing considering he's still not 100% from the shoulder injury!

6 minutes ago, turnyitb said:

did i miss a goal? 

If you missed today's game? Yeah

Did ok tonight, important goal, but like the end of last season, had some big assists and goals. Despite not having a decent run in the team. 
 

People under estimate Ziyechs intelligence in that goal from the Callum pass. Ziyech ran laterally which ensured he stayed onside to tap it in. Not to insult Werner but i know he would have just run straight and offside by the time Odoi passed it

45 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

People under estimate Ziyechs intelligence in that goal from the Callum pass. Ziyech ran laterally which ensured he stayed onside to tap it in. Not to insult Werner but i know he would have just run straight and offside by the time Odoi passed it

I think Ziyech might be a better finisher than Werner, he has good technique in general. The one big miss was the previous game when he couldn't keep the ball down but I think that he's mostly clinical, when he shoots from around or inside the box he scores, his goal that was offside in the previous game was a great finish.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

I think Ziyech might be a better finisher than Werner, he has good technique in general. The one big miss was the previous game when he couldn't keep the ball down but I think that he's mostly clinical, when he shoots from around or inside the box he scores, his goal that was offside in the previous game was a great finish.

This^

 

I think people need to stop looking at Ziyech as being brought in just to create goals and Werner as a pure goal scorer and see what they can do well atm rather than what has been lacking. 

I don't know what's in the Cobham water but it seems like these two have switched abilities,  Hakim is the clinical finisher and Timo is a creative hub. 

It's clear Hakim has at least another gear or two and I don't want to see him leave until we get his very best or at least close to it. 

I don’t buy the argument he's not good enough for this level the stats for the 18/19 Ajax UCL run suggests he was one of the best attacking players in the whole tournament. Ziyech outperformed some huge names that season and if he can do it on the UCL stage he should be capable of doing it anywhere.

His issue will always be consistency, what seems to happen to him is that he will build up some form and then get injured. Like Christian he suffers from this interruption to his momentum perhaps not quite to the level of Pulisic but the point remains the same. 

He's also one of the few players in the squad that actually takes risks when in possession he tries to dribble past the defender not always successfully but it beats side to side passing nonstop. More importantly he takes risks with his passes and actually looks to play people in behind with over the top balls and threaded through balls. This is sorely lacking from the majority of the squads toolbox

Nobody doubts that Ziyech has talent, he's probably got more natural talent than the majority of our squad, but he lacks in areas that are just as important. He plays a lot of careless passes, passes that aren't on that just wastes possession. He losses the ball easily and gives the ball away under pressure and his overall commitment is lacking at times. He looks and plays in a disinterested way, that is why people get on his back.

43 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Nobody doubts that Ziyech has talent, he's probably got more natural talent than the majority of our squad, but he lacks in areas that are just as important. He plays a lot of careless passes, passes that aren't on that just wastes possession. He losses the ball easily and gives the ball away under pressure and his overall commitment is lacking at times. He looks and plays in a disinterested way, that is why people get on his back.

I think most Chelsea fans don't like him because they perceive him as being anti-social.  He's a great talent and can be important for us but he's not the same after the injury and is slowly building himself back now. He did score some important goals last season

I still rate him ahead of Werner & Pulisic though. I think he could be a crucial player with Lukaku.

His energy levels and work rate have been so so good during the last 2 games. Can't really fault his effort. And his end product has improved recently so hope to see him play to his potential soon.

If nothing else, he has a real eye for goal that can make the difference in big/tight games.

Not my favourite player or even close yet with our injuries he has stepped up and worked hard, scoring one and coming close too.

It is good we have him though whether he stays in the first 11 are all fit is doubtful.

 

10 hours ago, strider6004 said:

Not my favourite player or even close yet with our injuries he has stepped up and worked hard, scoring one and coming close too.

It is good we have him though whether he stays in the first 11 are all fit is doubtful.

 

Think he would have offered more of a goal threat than Ross or CHO did today, but probably  ot created as much.

12 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Think he would have offered more of a goal threat than Ross or CHO did today, but probably  ot created as much.

Yes I wondered on that too.

On 07/11/2021 at 04:51, strider6004 said:

Yes I wondered on that too.

Going to Dortmund in January apparently

Ziyech was on fire today. Great assist and wonderful flicks. 

Need more of that from Ziyech. Playing in the right areas instead of showing off and not looking like he gave a damn.

I always thought he is our best passer and finally he got a fast assist. I think he's finding his place in this system.

I like him when he stays more on the right ... think that's his best position.

Nice to see him get a quick assist today as well. He gets slated for his low goals/assists contribution but Jadon Sancho would kill for even half of Ziyech's output right now LOL