Shame, as I thought he’d have a chance seeing that we didn’t buy an out and out striker to replace Lukaku.

Sounds like he wants an instant 1st team spot.

I think that puts us in a sticky position as we need a number 9 type striker IMO.

Now we’ll probably be quoted ridiculous prices as everyone knows we need a striker now.

I think we missed a trick with Gabriel Jesus, if we had made a proper attempt rather than a last minute hijack I think he would of come to us instead of Arsenal.

As much as a think Sterling is a good signing we need something more other we are heavily relying on the forwards from last season to be at least twice as clinical as last year.

7 minutes ago, 2211 said:

Shame, as I thought he’d have a chance seeing that we didn’t buy an out and out striker to replace Lukaku.

Sounds like he wants an instant 1st team spot.

I think that puts us in a sticky position as we need a number 9 type striker IMO.

Now we’ll probably be quoted ridiculous prices as everyone knows we need a striker now.

I think we missed a trick with Gabriel Jesus, if we had made a proper attempt rather than a last minute hijack I think he would of come to us instead of Arsenal.

As much as a think Sterling is a good signing we need something more other we are heavily relying on the forwards from last season to be at least twice as clinical as last year.

Regular 1st team spots is different from instant 1st team spot though. Everyone seems to be ignoring that presently we have 8 players for the band of 3, most top teams have 5 (City, Liverpool, Spurs). We will need to lose at least 3 of Werner, CHO, Pulisic, Ziyech before he gets any regular game time. Can’t really blame him for a lack of patience as there as been a lack of movement outwards for any of our forward players, Tuchel has even come out to say he is after someone else.

25 minutes ago, Sheva said:

I don't think Kai is the answer going forward. I am happy to be proven wrong but in my opinion we need someone more clinical.  I still think we should of gone for Gabriel Jesus, he's not the most attractive name out there but he would of suited us to the ground.

I agree with you that gabriel will be fine for us however we have already signed a g Jesus his name is sterling.  (not sure g Jesus is clinical though)

I understand that you want a monster goal getting st but we can't play with one unless Tuchel is willing to change his system a bit but he has shown last year he is not. Plus we already has kai and Kai can only play as no 9/10. If Tuchel decided to sign a st this season and switch to 352/4231/442 then I will have a big headache. 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Deino said:

The kid wants confirmed starting spots and West Ham are willing to pay 30m.

Best of luck to the lad then. 

Tbf it worked out very well for Tammy n rom

47 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Let's imagine you are Borja. You look at our team and think where you are going to play. At best he will be kai backup and I don't think he will be great there especially after watching Lukaku n Tammy. 

On the other hand you have west ham, moyes would tell Borja that he will play next to Antonio in 442 and it is an easy fit as he will play almost the same way as he play with soton. 

You don't have to be a genius to see which path make more sense for him. 

 

Imagine Phil Foden a few seasons back saying "Nah I don't want to stay and learn under elite players and managers, I'll be better off being sold to Crystal Palace" he's always had players in front of him but didn't cry about it

There has been a distinct shift in power over the last couple of years with young players, and we now see unproven, undeveloped youngsters leave due to the demand of first team football.

Chelsea at times feel a bit too nice. We should, in my mind, be locking the kids into longer term contracts and refusing to do business unless stupid money materialises. 

That said, I am not convinced that selling Broja hurts us in the short or long term. The kid  clearly has potential, but lets not kid ourselves, he has not shown that he is some Michael Owen/Wayne Rooney esque wonderkid and I would be surprised if he turns out to be a world beater. How many Albanian superstars are there in world football? Maybe this kid does a Lewendowski and turns into one, but probably not.

Edited July 18, 20224 yr by nonotnowjim

4 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Tbf it worked out very well for Tammy n rom

In terms of money and playing time? Definitely. 

In terms of winning titles with their new team? Not really. Lukaku has only 1 significant trophy throughout his time away from CFC. Tammy has the Europa Conference trophy, whoop dee doo

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

I agree with you that gabriel will be fine for us however we have already signed a g Jesus his name is sterling.  (not sure g Jesus is clinical though)

I understand that you want a monster goal getting st but we can't play with one unless Tuchel is willing to change his system a bit but he has shown last year he is not. Plus we already has kai and Kai can only play as no 9/10. If Tuchel decided to sign a st this season and switch to 352/4231/442 then I will have a big headache. 

 

 

Jesus is not a monster ST but he's someone who will get us 15 goals a season. In a perfect world we kept Tammy.

Like I said I would be fine with this sale if we had someone in return, I think we will be limiting Sterlings ability by playing him through the middle and I think that to Havertz aswell. I think Kai is much better running off someone than being the focal point.

I want to stay far away from the likes of Lukaku. The issue we have right now is we will be relying on the same set of forwards from the previous 3 seasons and in one of those season Jorginho outscored them all.

Broja is not someone I think would suit our system but he offered something different and unless we get a striker that suits our sysytem in. Then having something different like Broja helps.

20 minutes ago, Deino said:

In terms of money and playing time? Definitely. 

In terms of winning titles with their new team? Not really. Lukaku has only 1 significant trophy throughout his time away from CFC. Tammy has the Europa Conference trophy, whoop dee doo

For Tammy it was the right move as he clearly wasn't suited to Tuchel's tactics and it was a perfect move for all parties (even if we stupidly brought in someone even more unsuitable) as as much as Jose's record with wingers/flair players is dubious his record with strikers isn't.

For Lukaku it was very strange. A supposed Chelsea fan with a chance to get decent minutes at an eventual title winning team age 21 and fight for a place with only one other player who was already injury phrone, play and train with the player he claimed to idolise and the manager that (if he grew up a Chelsea fan as claimed) he would have worshipped as a kid.

It was then I knew he didn't have the minerals for the very top level.

Edited July 18, 20224 yr by Argo

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

For Tammy it was the right move as he clearly wasn't suited to Tuchel's tactics and it was a perfect move for all parties (even if we stupidly brought in someone even more unsuitable) as as much as Jose's record with wingers/flair players is dubious, his record with strikers isn't.

For Lukaku it was very strange. A supposed Chelsea fan with a chance to get decent minutes at an eventual title winning team age 21 and fight for a place with only one other player who was already injury phrone, play and train with the player he claimed to idolise and the manager that (if he grew up a Chelsea fan as claimed) he would have worshipped as a kid.

It was then I knew he didn't have the minerals for the very top level.

Couldn't agree more. Sometimes things just don't click, not really a mistake by the club at least for Tammy.

Lukaku was and is still an idiot. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Let's imagine you are Borja. You look at our team and think where you are going to play. At best he will be kai backup and I don't think he will be great there especially after watching Lukaku n Tammy. 

On the other hand you have west ham, moyes would tell Borja that he will play next to Antonio in 442 and it is an easy fit as he will play almost the same way as he play with soton. 

You don't have to be a genius to see which path make more sense for him. 

 

Are they selling Bowen?

@Munkworth

29 minutes ago, Deino said:

Couldn't agree more. Sometimes things just don't click, not really a mistake by the club at least for Tammy.

Lukaku was and is still an idiot. 

Lukaku's problem is that he's delusional.

He genuinely believes he's a top striker despite showing for over a decade now he doesn't have the talent to play at the highest level.  He's never been close to being world class or close to being near the top 15/20 strikers in the world.

He was humbled at United, went to Inter and his Ego convinced himself again that he was a top striker because he was performing with arguably the best coach on the planet in a weaker league.

He brought that ego back with him here and it just shattered once he realised he just didn't have the talent to operate in the tight spaces or the physical attributes to easily deal with Premier league defenders.

That's why he immediately wanted to go back to a weak league where he can score against awful teams and pretend he's as talented as Benzema, Kane, Lewis etc.

Edited July 18, 20224 yr by HazardousChoice

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

Imagine Phil Foden a few seasons back saying "Nah I don't want to stay and learn under elite players and managers, I'll be better off being sold to Crystal Palace" he's always had players in front of him but didn't cry about it

😂😂😂

Imagine you are Phil Foden and you have david Silva who was 200 years old in front of you, you have clear path to 1st eleven 

All depends on the youth player end of the day. If they want to stay and foght for a place, as Gallagher is now doing after a good loan, they do. 

If they tell the club they want to leave then we are not a club that refuses such requests, Marc Guehi did so last summer.

1 hour ago, Deino said:

In terms of money and playing time? Definitely. 

In terms of winning titles with their new team? Not really. Lukaku has only 1 significant trophy throughout his time away from CFC. Tammy has the Europa Conference trophy, whoop dee doo

Winning thropy ?? 

If you are a kid, who cares about winning thropy. It is about getting the best career that you can get. 

5 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

😂😂😂

Imagine you are Phil Foden and you have david Silva who was 200 years old in front of you, you have clear path to 1st eleven 

D.Silva may have been but B.Silva, Mahrez, Sane, KDB and Sterling aren't/weren't.

Edited July 18, 20224 yr by Argo

Will they guarantee him first team football when he struggles to adapt to playing twice a week and fails to score enough and WHU end up in the bottom half in November ? That's what Broja needs to ask himself. Chelsea could guarantee him first team football, it means nothing by September.

7 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Winning thropy ?? 

If you are a kid, who cares about winning thropy. It is about getting the best career that you can get. 

Gallagher showed a littlebit of patience and now he's an England international and a key part of the squad of an elite club like ours. And will very likely feature 40+ times for us this season and gets to play in and compete for the Champions League as well as the Premier League.

If you can't accept that you simply can't "pre-order" a spot in the XI for a side like that you got no business being here anyways.

 

Having watched Broja this season I genuinely don't know why people are upset about losing or would even want to keep him if we're being offered 30m+

That's a hefty fee for a 6 goal a season striker that Southampton fans don't exactly rate.

I'd Broja was their player how many people here do you think would want us to put a £30m bid in based on how he performed last season? 

Exactly.

3 hours ago, Sindre said:

I think he would get plenty of chances here this season. Wouldn't begin the season as a starter but with every opportunity to force himself into the side.

He wouldn't push for West Ham if they haven't promised him a place in the XI so i'm fairly confident they have. I hope we got a buy-back clause or a first refusal at the very least because I like him and believe he is a good striker.

£30 million is a good deal though. Not that much less then we paid for Raheem Sterling which is good.

 

It really isn't. He is only 20 and say if he does get into double figures next season, his value could easily be double that. In this day and age that is not a lot of money. I will admit that when we sold Tomori and Abraham I thought it was good business but both there values are easily worth both what we sold them for now. Guehi too you can say. I personally think £30m is a good deal for West Ham.

6 minutes ago, coco said:

Will they guarantee him first team football when he struggles to adapt to playing twice a week and fails to score enough and WHU end up in the bottom half in November ? That's what Broja needs to ask himself. Chelsea could guarantee him first team football, it means nothing by September.

Cant hold it against him, If hes pushing for a move for first team football even if he doesn't get much at least it shows the right attitude and makes Drinkwater look a reet tart

Probably ends up back here after west ham prep him for us, And if he doesn't come good its win win

One thing to say about it, Is that we certainly need another forward, Raheem will be out on his cheeks if he has to play every game, If they dont find another forward which we need regardless sterling will end up ST haha

Edited July 18, 20224 yr by Kantesmini

2 hours ago, Sindre said:

This is happening.

Shame about the lack of patience. Could have learned a lot with one year testing himself against Silva & Koulibaly every day at training and would also have seen a lot of game-time here in my opinion with the five subs now allowed and only Sterling signed up front so far at least.

Well for me this is concerning because he is our only out and out CF. Batshuayi will leave you assume. Werner is often played out wide and Havertz is a false no.9. With the 5 subs allowance, he will actually get a lot of game time so even if he is pushing for a move, we should have same stance they do with Rice: "he is not for sale!". Also did Tuchel not say he wants to give him pre-season but instead we selling him for £30m for a player who has several years left on his contract. Bemused, must say.

Well if Broja doesn’t fancy his chances of dislodging Werner or Batshuayi in the squad, then he’s right to move on. You’d think with the departure of Lukaku a path for impressing Tuchel had presented itself. 

Personally, I think he should be happy West Ham are willing to take him on and we pocket 30m towards a new striker. Good business for us and a good move for the kid as well. 

On 16/07/2022 at 13:16, mojo said:

 

 

well, that hasn't aged well