7 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I have no idea if he will do well. I want him to, but he's young and young players can veer in multiple directions. He's not played enough games for me at a good level, in comparison to mount Gallagher and Reece James who were fully ready to be promoted when they came into the fold. 

Look at Rashford, miles ahead of broja at the same age, but would anyone prefer him now to someone like richarlison? 

Someone said most DoFs would sign Broja over Richarlison if they were the same price. Which is nonsense. And it's why they aren't the same market value. 

If this was football manager or fifa, I'd loan broja to west ham for a season, I'd sign richarlison, and I'd assess again in 12 months. But that's not how the world works. My big fear (regardless if we sign richarlison) is broja stays for 12 months and doesn't crack our team and it's a wasted step in his development. 

I didn't say that most DoFs would sign Broja over Richarlison if they were the same price, i said " if we look at their profile a competent sporting director would most likely prefer Broja over Richarlison for the same prize because off the bigger potential upside in his development".

I admit i haven't really seen much of Everton this season, so i could underestimate Richarlison, but isn't he kind of an inconsistent moany diver with bad offside awareness, comparable to Wilfried Zaha?

In addition to that he is already 25 and his scoring statistics this season don't really seem good, he scored just 5 goals and had 5 assists from open play this season, eventhough he was Everton's top scorer, i don't think that he passes the "eye test" either like someone else said. I have never been impressed with him in the matches i've seen of him and based on his player profile there are many comparable players to him out there, so i don't know where his high market value comes from, plus on the website Transfermarkt he was downgraded two times this year.

Broja(who i admit i could overestimate) on the other hand, i think at times looked really good for his age, like a player on the verge of a breakthrough and i would say is a more rare player type. A comparable player to him in my opinion is Victor Osimhem who Napoli payed 75M€ for just two years ago from Lille aged 21. So if somebody would pay lets say 30M for him and he plays a great season his market value could triple. Look at Nunez for example who Liverpool payed 75M€+add ons this Summer after one great scoring season in Portugal.

With Broja being five years younger and his ceiling being harder to define than that of Richarlison, there are definitely arguments to prefer Broja on this thesis. The market values of players are estimated and volatile anyway, there are enough examples of that.

21 hours ago, DarkMata said:

Just like Tammy and Tomori I've no doubt he has a good career ahead of him, but like them he might not be good enough for us.  The only way to know if he's good enough to play for Chelsea and fits Chelsea is for him to play for Chelsea.  We learn nothing by selling him now or loaning him out until his contract ends.  Let him prove he's good enough, if not sell him.  It's up to Broja to take his chance.

Not good enough??? 

Tammy scored 15 goals in his 1st season with us, he was still our top scorer last season even after he was pretty much binned by Tuchel. 

 

21 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Great opportunity for Broja to make his mark at Chelsea. With Lukaku out of the picture, if he has any ambition as a footballer he should be busting a nut to impress Tuchel in pre-season, rather than seeking moves to the likes of West Ham or Southampton. #9 shirt up for grabs ... 

IMO the best route for him is to go to west ham. It is pretty much tailored made for him to be successful. 

9 hours ago, Bob stark said:

 Tammy scored 15 goals in his 1st season with us

And despite that Lampard still turned to Oli (a guy with 5 PL goals in two years at that point) when things started to heat up.

10 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Not good enough??? 

Tammy scored 15 goals in his 1st season with us, he was still our top scorer last season even after he was pretty much binned by Tuchel. 

 

Like I said he’s a good player but we have a team full of good players.  We can’t just keep hoarding good players or we’ll never close the gap.  We need a couple of outstanding players to move this team to the next level and that’s not Tammy.

6 hours ago, Argo said:

And despite that Lampard still turned to Oli (a guy with 5 PL goals in two years at that point) when things started to heat up.

So? Tammy had dip in form so Giroud was picked and Giroud did very well so he kept his spot. 

8 hours ago, Bob stark said:

So? Tammy had dip in form so Giroud was picked and Giroud did very well so he kept his spot. 

Just ignores the reason Tammy came in at time's was because Giroud had dips in form too, and that Tammy played twice as many games as Giroud that season.

Tammy was worse than ronaldo defensively 

12 hours ago, Bob stark said:

So? Tammy had dip in form so Giroud was picked and Giroud did very well so he kept his spot. 

I put it a bit badly but my point is, that type of just looking at the top line is how we got lumbered with Lukaku in the first place.

People focus on Tuchel's selection of Tammy but it goes under the radar that Lampard replaced him aswell (Werner always got the nod when it was one or the other for the main CF, ala when Werner didn't have to cover injuries on the wing).

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I put it a bit badly but my point is, that type of just looking at the top line is how we got lumbered with Lukaku in the first place.

People focus on Tuchel's selection of Tammy but it goes under the radar that Lampard replaced him aswell (Werner always got the nod when it was one or the other for the main CF, ala when Werner didn't have to cover injuries on the wing).

I don't see what the fuss here. Timo was one of our premier signing so Lamp tried a gazillion way to make it work. All normal stuff. 

Honestly, with Tuchel n Tammy it is very simple. He gave Tammy 2 games, tammy performed poorly and he binned Tammy. 

I am not so sure what Lukaku has got anything to do here. 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, dkw said:

Just ignores the reason Tammy came in at time's was because Giroud had dips in form too, and that Tammy played twice as many games as Giroud that season.

I am not so sure what is wrong with a player that play well keep his spot and a player who has dip in form get replaced. 

The one thing that I probably had problem was timo keeping his spot under Tuchel 2 seasons agom Honestly, you can just predict what will happen to timo before every game.

High line? Space galore? 9/10.

Low block? No space? 5/10.

Yet he kept being selected for every game. 

On 25/06/2022 at 00:03, Blue2 said:

DoFs

DsOF. 🙂

On 22/06/2022 at 10:53, charierre said:

Pep and Klopp both have strong DoF behind them. The eight to ten year model is always the aim…nobody hires a coach with the view of sacking him even though in football it is inevitable. Long term management doesn’t always equate to success and sometimes leads to stagnation, a very fine balancing act.

Agreed. It doesn't matter who signs the players. Good footballers are good for a squad, bad ones are not. Get a significant majority of recruitment decisions right and you produce stability. Fail to do that and a club quickly finds itself in a permanent rebuilding phase.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19108097/chelsea-newcastle-west-ham-everton-transfer-boehly/

If we sell Broja and keep Werner more questions will be asked around Tuchel's choices. Rightly so.

58 minutes ago, just said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19108097/chelsea-newcastle-west-ham-everton-transfer-boehly/

If we sell Broja and keep Werner more questions will be asked around Tuchel's choices. Rightly so.

I don't think the comparison is fair. Werner is more like a winger in a Chelsea shirt, Broja is a striker, they may not even be in direct competition with each other. Also, it's much harder to move Werner on because of his wages.

As it stands currently our only recognised striker, if we consider Werner to be a winger, why are we even contemplating selling him? Surely the value of keeping him in the squad outweighs the small transfer fee we'd recieve

I'll be gutted but at the same time if we're commiting to Kai as the main striker in a Firmino esque role (which we should have done last year) I would understand.

If Callum or Colwill leave on the other hand....

Ah so our sh*t short termist outlook on transfers wasn't just down to Roman, Marina and Buck

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I'll be gutted but at the same time if we're commiting to Kai as the main striker in a Firmino esque role (which we should have done last year) I would understand.

If Callum or Colwill leave on the other hand....

I'd be really pissed off if he were sold, give the guy a chance ffs. Kai works for me ,but he's not going to play every game.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I'll be gutted but at the same time if we're commiting to Kai as the main striker in a Firmino esque role (which we should have done last year) I would understand.

If Callum or Colwill leave on the other hand....

Don't worry I don't see CHO going as his wages would be a stumbling block for any side that realistically would aim to sign him.

I think Broja and Colwill are off because TT won't offer them any sort of guarantee of regular opportunities.

Broja to West Ham for 32mill and Colwill to Everton for 23mill, help fund the Sterling deal.

He's gone.

 

Mad. 

We really going to allow only Havertz as the ST?

20 minutes ago, Kantesmini said:

He's gone.

 

Ah, the random Reddit post.

Oh well, if Ora news are saying it then it must be true....

 

2 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Ah, the random Reddit post.

 

Random Reddit post and The Sun sports page......