Yeah I’m liking these positive comments. The fans broadly clearly have his back. Having watched the highlights yesterday, I don’t think he was even guilty of any egregious misses. Too much context to some of the criticism being levelled at him on the match thread, i thought (we’re used to him missing so every time he doesn’t score we think “same old timo” even if the chance isn’t remotely clear cut or he’s denied by a great save).

In general, we should be more willing to give players a chance to shake off their reputation, and to that end it can be a useful exercise to imagine you’re watching a player / the team for the first time, devoid of any context. If we do that with yesterday’s game, what sort of appraisal does Timo get: I’d say something along the lines of: energetic forward with pace, a great work rate, an eye for goal and pretty clinical with the opportunities he gets. After all, he scored two perfectly legit goals yesterday. 

IMO Lukaku and Timo can become the most dangerous attacking duo in the league.

Lukaku takes with him a few defenders and that leaves Timo enough space to make a good run, it was a nice flick that Lukaku did towards Timo that should have been a goal.

It looks like Timo on the right side is now the striker we hoped he would be, someone like Lukaku does make him better.

50 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

IMO Lukaku and Timo can become the most dangerous attacking duo in the league.

Lukaku takes with him a few defenders and that leaves Timo enough space to make a good run, it was a nice flick that Lukaku did towards Timo that should have been a goal.

It looks like Timo on the right side is now the striker we hoped he would be, someone like Lukaku does make him better.

Hopefully they make each other better.

I agree I would like to see them have a run together. Then up to Mount, Havertz et al can compete for the last spot.

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Hopefully they make each other better.

I agree I would like to see them have a run together. Then up to Mount, Havertz et al can compete for the last spot.

I love Ziyech and Havertz but, right now it's Mount and Timo for me to play with Lukaku especially since CHO hasn't shown me anything in one of the 10s that he can't do as wb. 

After watching Liv vs City, again Salah and KDB stood out scoring some good goals on their weaker foots might I add(Foden was exceptional as well) . I can't help but think that because Timo is slightly older when we signed him people think his ceiling is set and he can't continue to improve and reach world class status. 

I'll keep saying that until we play to his style he will continue to look ineffective, the first half yesterday was an example of what the team needs to do to exploit Timo. Fast direct passing, vertical through balls not endless passing side to side. 

No one in our squad has a goal scoring record that comes close to Timo except Lukaku and they look made for each other, if we unlock the two of them and have the rest of the team play to their strengths and continously contributing with goals from def and mid we have a title challenging team. 

I'll end this with Timo's goal yesterday helped to put us top of the table even if it's only 7 games played.

Edited October 3, 20214 yr by LongtimerLurker

Brace for Timo today...2 smashing goals..

He had hit the post in the first half as well..

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timo scored twice for germany vs macedonia 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully he shows that against Brentford. Clearly the Saints game helped his confidence.

The guy deserves a decent run of games, I for one hope he gets it. He's more than capable of replicating his hot streaks in England it's whether he gets enough opportunities to do so.

 

Amazing what confidence does. Before that goal against Southampton, he looks almost petrified of striking that ball in fear of it backfiring and him missing so he takes easy option and passes. Last night he had a keen eye for goal. Before he scored his first, he was constantly at it and had several shots, one of them hitting the post.

2 quality finishes and you can see much that goal against Southampton boosted him. It is good to see that he did not let Germany's last game against Romania affect him last night as against Romania he was criticised. Keep it up Timo!

SCORING IN THE HARDING AND SCORING IN THE SHED! 🎶

He's in good form, should and will start the next few games. He's much better when everything happens at speed, the instinct takes over and no time to over think

Did anyone watch the full game against Macedonia?

He missed two easy chances, scored two more difficult ones and yet was pretty average all around against a C-grade team that would struggle in League 1.

I'd dearly love him to succeed but he just doesn't have the mental tools to be consistent at the top level. Batshuayi in a different shirt.

Edited October 13, 20214 yr by SydneyChelsea

3 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Did anyone watch the full game against Macedonia?

He missed two easy chances, scored two more difficult ones and yet was pretty average all around against a C-grade team that would struggle in League 1.

I'd dearly love him to succeed but he just doesn't have the mental tools to be consistent at the top level. Batshuayi in a different shirt.

He's got 14 goals and 16 assists in 60 appearances for Chelsea. He's directly contributing to a goal every 2 games. As an attacking player he's overall contrinution has been solid. 

He's never going to be one of the World's best but right now we're a much bigger attacking threat when he plays in the team. 

58 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

He's got 14 goals and 16 assists in 60 appearances for Chelsea. He's directly contributing to a goal every 2 games. As an attacking player he's overall contrinution has been solid. 

He's never going to be one of the World's best but right now we're a much bigger attacking threat when he plays in the team. 

I agree with all of this except for the first part of the last paragraph. 30 combined goal contributions in 60 games is actually bonkers considering he's not really hit the level of consistency or accuracy he's shown in the past. 

I don't understand why people seem to think 25 is the finished article when for a striker its either the start of the peak or a few years out. 

He can very much reach world class status at Chelsea nevertheless its up to him to put belief in his own ability and for the team and coach to get the very best out of him when he does play.

Aside from the UCL final in which he truly did put my faith in him to the test, he alongside Mason make this attack tick you could also throw an in form Pulisic into that mix as the most crucial forwards in this team.

Romelu is another one although, after a bright start he has faded a bit and we need at least a season under his belt before assessing him.

Yet I suspect he'll eventually form a devastating attack combination with pretty much all of our attackers and may in fact bring out the best in some of them (Timo, Christian & Callum) especially since they have quite compatible styles to Rom's I'd throw in Hakim as well.

Mason and Kai also looked decent with Rom but, arguably not as effective in bigger games as with Timo last season.

My point is if he has 30 goal contributions in 60 games (goals and assists mean the same thing for me) added to his already impressive skill set he's already close to being if not already there at the level just below world class, so why dismiss him from ever reaching the peak of football?

Because he misses chances? Sure but, so do some of the very best in the game that's not to say he can't become more clinical which for some is probably all he is missing to be classed as as world class.

My point as I'm sure you've guessed is he could become one of the world's best if he believes in himself more, trusts his natural instincts and thinks less. Then he can be one of the World's best, after KDB and Salah last thing we want is him reaching that level somewhere else. 25 is still young, Ronaldo (I know he's not Cr7) scored more goals after 30 than before just as an example. 

Again I'll leave anyone that's forgotten what he was like at RB with this and it doesn't even include what I feel is his now best attribute his creativity. It does however highlight his pace, finishing and what he's like when he's confident.

@ForeverCarefree just so you know its not that I think you're wrong and this isn't aimed at you specifically I just think some are underestimating not only this man but, the club's vision when they brought him in. This one is for the long term just like the others around him who are only a couple/few years younger. 

 

95 goals from 2016-2020 is pretty close to world's best if you ask me.

There's a reason Liverpool tried to sign him, not just Klopp likes Germans. With his extra pace and movement, Liverpool's fast attacking game would be almost impossible to stop. His not a world class player yet, but he's one of the better options we have right now.

Werner had in 17/18, 21 goals in 45 games. 18/19, 19 goals in 37 games. 19/20, 34 goals in 45 games.

That's 0.58 goals per game for the last 3 seasons he spent in Leipzig without counting any assists at all.

Last season he had 0.23 goals per game. He went from being a red bull with wings predator to a kitten.

We don't play like Liverpool part from trying to press and win the ball back in the opposition half. We focus on being stable in defense and attacking is an afterthought..

Werner was never clinical, his main point was to constantly get into chances, Salah also misses a lot of chances but he gets into many and scores anyway, in fact last season Salah missed more big chances than Werner in the league and Mane had the same amount of big chances missed but both of them scored 10+ goals while Werner had only 6 goals in 35 games. Right now he has 1 goal in 6 PL games, continuing the same trend.

 

Edited October 13, 20214 yr by Gol15

11 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Werner had in 17/18, 21 goals in 45 games. 18/19, 19 goals in 37 games. 19/20, 34 goals in 45 games.

That's 0.58 goals per game for the last 3 seasons he spent in Leipzig without counting any assists at all.

Last season he had 0.23 goals per game. He went from being a red bull with wings predator to a kitten.

We don't play like Liverpool part from trying to press and win the ball back in the opposition half. We focus on being stable in defense and attacking is an afterthought..

Werner was never clinical, his main point was to constantly get into chances, Salah also misses a lot of chances but he gets into many and scores anyway, in fact last season Salah missed more big chances than Werner in the league and Mane had the same amount of big chances missed but both of them scored 10+ goals while Werner had only 6 goals in 35 games. Right now he has 1 goal in 6 PL games, continuing the same trend.

 

Tbf those RB stats are pre VAR having it in for him.

The discussion of Werner has always about his finishing. Yet his biggest problem is not his finishing. Raheem Sterling scored 17+ goals and he is not a great finisher. 

Why no one talk about how poor Werner  technically. His ball control, his first touch are poor. He is also not strong where he can hold defender with his back they way hazard and Willian did. 

These are his biggest problems, not finishing. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Tbf those RB stats are pre VAR having it in for him.

More importantly it was in Bundesliga.  Bundesliga is attacker dream league 

18 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Tbf those RB stats are pre VAR having it in for him.

I'm not sure about that, I think he scored most of his goals in his last season while on counter-attacks, many of which he was the one running with the ball. But I really don't know.

19 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

The discussion of Werner has always about his finishing. Yet his biggest problem is not his finishing. Raheem Sterling scored 17+ goals and he is not a great finisher. 

Why no one talk about how poor Werner  technically. His ball control, his first touch are poor. He is also not strong where he can hold defender with his back they way hazard and Willian did. 

These are his biggest problems, not finishing. 

 

 

If he had better finishing he would have had 2 goals in the first half against Man City in the CL final and probably more than 10 goals in the PL last season as well. He wasn't really known for his epic technical ability prior to signing, he was known as a goal scorer.

13 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Werner had in 17/18, 21 goals in 45 games. 18/19, 19 goals in 37 games. 19/20, 34 goals in 45 games.

That's 0.58 goals per game for the last 3 seasons he spent in Leipzig without counting any assists at all.

Last season he had 0.23 goals per game. He went from being a red bull with wings predator to a kitten.

We don't play like Liverpool part from trying to press and win the ball back in the opposition half. We focus on being stable in defense and attacking is an afterthought..

Werner was never clinical, his main point was to constantly get into chances, Salah also misses a lot of chances but he gets into many and scores anyway, in fact last season Salah missed more big chances than Werner in the league and Mane had the same amount of big chances missed but both of them scored 10+ goals while Werner had only 6 goals in 35 games. Right now he has 1 goal in 6 PL games, continuing the same trend.

 

Not really an accurate measure though is it? Against Palace, ok played the whole game. Since then he has only started 2 league games. One against City, where tbh we were just way too defensive and paid them way too much respect. The other start was against Southampton where he scored and should of had another one had it not been for VAR. Now the other league games he played was Arsenal where he came on in the 90th minute. Villa, he came on in the 82nd minute and then he played against Spurs where he came on in the 70th minute. I think it is fair to say to judge him this season when he has been given a run in the starting 11, rather than judging him based on appearances, which you seem to have done, because saying he has 1 goal in 6 league games this season doesn't pain the full picture at all.

Rumours that Newcastle are interested. Would you sell?

5 hours ago, JM7 said:

Rumours that Newcastle are interested. Would you sell?

For £500m, yes, but not a penny less. 

6 hours ago, JM7 said:

Rumours that Newcastle are interested. Would you sell?

In general I think Newcastle will look at players not being fully utilized by the top 4, like Alex Ox at Liverpool, Martial at United, Stones at City, us with Chilwell etc as well as trying to poach players like Richarlison and Tieldmans.

Far as Werner goes everyone has a price, as ForeverCarefree said.