I would start him as well but with that calf injury thar stopped him taking a pen he may not be available.

f**king Bayern again

 

Keeping him on the bench against Juventus wasn't a good move, not sure what was the reason behind bringing Barkley before Werner, but we should use Werner much more.

He didn't score many goals last season, but he was involved in many. 

5 minutes ago, IliyaKrostin said:

Keeping him on the bench against Juventus wasn't a good move, not sure what was the reason behind bringing Barkley before Werner, but we should use Werner much more.

He didn't score many goals last season, but he was involved in many. 

He’s too creative for this team - shows up all his team mates with his forward movement/passing and that makes them very upset indeed. 

5 minutes ago, IliyaKrostin said:

Keeping him on the bench against Juventus wasn't a good move, not sure what was the reason behind bringing Barkley before Werner, but we should use Werner much more.

He didn't score many goals last season, but he was involved in many. 

That's what disappointed me the most about this game. He is very creative more than Ziyech in terms of actual assists, although I do see some good passes and chances created from Hakim that should be goals so he deserves credit for that. 

What's so frustrating is that I thought we would use Werner on the left as inside fwd since we were told that was his best position alongside playing off a target man. He played there last season as well as through the middle, since Rom has joined we haven't seen Timo start in a 3 alongside him only as a 2. Why do we need to change the system to accommodate both? Timo has the workrate to play an inside fwd alongside another we shouldn't have to play a midfield 3.

If you think Werner is the answer to our poor attacking play then thats worrying. Werner himself can barley trap a ball, I think Tuchel has the right idea for Werner. You either play him upfront or you dont play him at all.

Werner gets deserved criticisms, but when he's playing you could see the panic in the opposition defence. He runs good channels, he could pass a ball in the final third, he creates a lot of uncertainties for the defence. When  he's not playing like tonight, the defence knows exactly what's expected, there's no chaos, panics, they just sit their shape and walked to the finish line. He's far more efficient than Ziyech and Havetez right now, who just sleep walked the match, and missed clear cut chances.

44 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

If you think Werner is the answer to our poor attacking play then thats worrying. Werner himself can barley trap a ball, I think Tuchel has the right idea for Werner. You either play him upfront or you dont play him at all.

Give him a chance in the front 3 though, everyone has played part of the 3 except him I think when Havertz came on against City he was behind the two front men in a 3412. I'm not saying he's the answer to all our problems but, we don't create chances he can at least assist I don't see the harm.

If you ask me we need to see Mount, Werner and Lukaku start once and then we need to see Mount Havertz and Werner again this season. That's all I'm asking from Tommy

Edited September 29, 20214 yr by LongtimerLurker

1 hour ago, jack_super_class said:

If you think Werner is the answer to our poor attacking play then thats worrying. Werner himself can barley trap a ball, I think Tuchel has the right idea for Werner. You either play him upfront or you dont play him at all.

He assisted most of our goals last season.

Tuchel didn't do maybe the most obvious thing, to pair up Lukaku with Werner. Conte would have done it at the first training. 

For those that wonder why some of us want more Timo Werner despite his misses it's because he's a difference maker. 

The argument that gets thrown at Timo Werner's performance last season is that he underperformed as a striker and didn't score enough goals. We can debunk this to an extent by explaining there was always going to be a drop off in goal return due to him adjusting to a new league and overperforming in his final season at RB (compared to his usual goal return). 

Again because I think people seem to undermine this achievement let me say it again he is the first Chelsea player to get at least 10 goals and 10 assists in his debut season since Eden Hazard not bad company. 

He was the most productive player for us last season, people say that's because he played more than others...yes because he was one of our most valuable players to the style we wanted to play in terms of not just scoring or creating chances but, also off the ball movement. So alongside Mount he will get more minutes than others. 

He hasn't played as much this season and in some games you can see we really lack his off ball movement. It cannot be emphasised enough how hard he is for opposing defenders to manage. 

No he shouldn't start every game I don't think anyone in our squad should and this is coming from a big Mason and Lukaku fan. Nobody should be untouchable in this team we want everyone at a high level to be able to come in and out of the team ofc having a standard attacking combination couldn't do us any harm at this point as we search for chemistry.

Take away his goals and assists for a minute and think about his work off the ball, pressing/closing down lose balls, and all around unselfishness to work for the team.

I can't see how people wouldn't want him to play. He evolved as a player right before our eyes last season from simply a goal scorer to a creative force. How can you knock a guy who understands his weaknesses (lost confidence) and then adapts to remain useful.

He is a very intelligent player but, he currently lacks trust in himself rather than instinctively finishing he now over thinks and takes too many touches before shooting but, when he looks to provide the assist it's pinpoint perfect.

Some people think highlights aren't good enough indicators of how good or bad a player is and that's why youtube isn't the best for analysing players. I agree in this instance because it doesn't show how hard he works for the team.

Here in this video you can see how confident he was at the start of last season and how clinical he is as a playmaker.

Nobody not Pep or Klopp wants him running at their defense, teams may pack the box and make it hard for him to utilise his speed but, that's why Lukaku is here, add in another 10 to play RF (Mount, Havertz, Ziyech, Puisic or CHO) and play to Rom & Timo strengths. One scores goals the other creates now all we need is somebody to get the ball to them.

Timo is the seasons Tammy.

He should start on Saturday, with atleast 3 other attack minded players on the pitch (my choice is Lukaku, Cho and Mount),

I would definitely like to see him start alongside Lukaku. I think that combination would worry most defenses. He would likely create some chances for Lukaku, even if he missed some decent ones himself ;). If I remember correctly he scored a couple against Saints last season too.

9 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Timo is the seasons Tammy.

If Tuchel doesn't sort out our attack, he'll become this seasons Lampard.

Would like to see Timo start on the right on saturday with CHO or Kai on the left, for all his bottling of chances he offers something nobody else does which is pace and direct running. We've all had enough of the backwards passing, i'd rather see Timo make 10 attempted dribbles forward and complete none than see the ball go from Ziyech to Alonso to Ziyech to Jorginho to Rudiger to Mendy. 

I would like to see him on Saturday if for no other reason than an injection of athleticism. 

48 minutes ago, RMCM said:

Would like to see Timo start on the right on saturday with CHO or Kai on the left, for all his bottling of chances he offers something nobody else does which is pace and direct running. We've all had enough of the backwards passing, i'd rather see Timo make 10 attempted dribbles forward and complete none than see the ball go from Ziyech to Alonso to Ziyech to Jorginho to Rudiger to Mendy. 

Werner needs to have a free role to play either side of Lukaku or with a false 9. His best position is inside forward.

Ruben, Timo and Chillwell all need to come into the team this weekend. If anything the team looks burnt out. Isn't the point of having a good squad the ability to rotate? Timo will offer something different up top a player to run in behind, Ruben will drive forward and look to play earlier balls in transition or drag players out of position to lay off to the fwds. Chilly B will offer security in defense.

4 hours ago, coco said:

If Tuchel doesn't sort out our attack, he'll become this seasons Lampard.

Sad but true, history does repeat itself so often with us. Amazing how we end up again with Juve, an Easten euro side and a Scandinavian in our CL group and started our struggles once once group began.

3 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

I would like to see him on Saturday if for no other reason than an injection of athleticism. 

Him and CHO either side of big Rom would be something different.

If we get a really good offer for Werner, more than we bought him for, who on here would let him go?.

3 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

If we get a really good offer for Werner, more than we bought him for, who on here would let him go?.

I suspect all of us. Can’t see that happening though! The guy’s not yet scored 15 goals for us

25 minutes ago, Adamrb said:

I suspect all of us. Can’t see that happening though! The guy’s not yet scored 15 goals for us

Majority for sure. 

 

Though it would be interesting to see how many players we would chose to get rid of if we could even get their transfer money back.

Only one for sure I can safely say we would all say no to selling is Kante. Oh and Mendy too. Guys like Mount don't count as we did not buy him in the first place.

Ziyech? Havertz? Lukaku? Pulisic? Jorgi? Kova? Chilwell? 

Funny thing is I think the majority would vote for most of our squad to go lol.

Edited September 30, 20214 yr by axman2526

4 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

If we get a really good offer for Werner, more than we bought him for, who on here would let him go?.

it wasn't long ago everyone wanted Jorginho out, Rudiger out, Alonso out........