If he gets to start the next game I will be surprised.

35 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

If he gets to start the next game I will be surprised.

Not the word for it, horrified would be the one I pick.

1 hour ago, sonic90 said:

I think most of our 2nd choice strikers in recent times have been better than him. The likes of Giroud, Eto'o, Remy. Tammy even before his improvement in Rome outscored him.

Agreed in terms of playing as striker, Werner has been undoubtedly terrible. As a wide forward he's been good though and he was a big part of the CL success. For large periods when Ziyech was missing, Pulisic was injured, Havertz went for a walk - he put in good shifts week after week. Tuchel never gave him any favours and we certainly don't score the CL final goal without him. 

 

4 hours ago, venom2011 said:

We just played a team that cost more than ours, who would absolutely love to start him on the left. Timo is fine. He's a bit limited, not a 50m player, and not a main striker. But he has value even when he's not in great form - because he works hard. He's a good rotation option. 

I can't imagine United is even a tiny bit interested in Werner. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

I can't imagine United is even a tiny bit interested in Werner. 

I doubt Norwich would be.

3 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I can't imagine United is even a tiny bit interested in Werner. 

Neither can I. And yet if they had him, he'd be starting over Rashford. 

7 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

Neither can I. And yet if they had him, he'd be starting over Rashford. 

I honestly don't see it. Werner is probably a better presser and better runner but outside of that Rashford is better. 

I probably will put them in similar tier right noa but I think Rashford has bigger room for improvement. 

 

 

 

For what it's worth, he would be an almost ideal strike partner for Ronaldo.

If there is a United DNA it is probably 'whatever it was that Ferguson did', and frankly I can think of nothing more Ferguson than playing a 4-4-2 as your primary formation and consistently denying that you ever did.

Edited November 29, 20214 yr by PloKoon13

I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a player to succeed/ score/do well/ hope for as much as Werner but Jesus wtf is wrong with the bloke. Week in week out the same sh*t, how much more time do we give him. We are cursed up front, for some reason for a long time. And Lukaku is not going to change that. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

I honestly don't see it. Werner is probably a better presser and better runner but outside of that Rashford is better. 

I probably will put them in similar tier right noa but I think Rashford has bigger room for improvement. 

 

 

 

Rashford has been absolutely awful for quite a while.

His PR is more ridicolous than Arteta's.

Tbf it's not like he had that many clear cut chances I can think of two one that was abysmal where he came across the ball on the volley point blank. The second was intercepted by AWB I see no issue with that. 

As for the runs he makes and is constantly ignored I saw it happen a couple of times with RLC but the CHO chances were criminal if your striker is free in the box you pass to him. The fact he ended up squandering both those chances says more about the faith in yimo from his teammates than I think some realise.

I had hoped we had turned a corner with him but I feel like Timo lacks confidence and now his teammates are lacking in confidence to play him through 1v1 which is quite depressing if this is the case.

With all that said as a fan of Timo it's getting hard to defend him when he's not much of a presence when starting up top. Although as mentioned again and again he's better on the left wing not through the middle based of the evidence of his time here at the bridge.

JFH damning verdict of Werner:

https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/28/chelsea-hasselbaink-keane-blast-timo-werner-man-utd-draw-15679208/?fbclid=IwAR2mDALExIL-t7_Y_DJO3Fi7I0pxzD9j-bw-YmodXf3Q_JH1Hdz0YVYQe-M

I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a player to succeed/ score/do well/ hope for as much as Werner but Jesus wtf is wrong with the bloke. Week in week out the same sh*t, how much more time do we give him. We are cursed up front, for some reason for a long time. And Lukaku is not going to change that. 

Still frustrated & angry at how bad this guy is. He is now officially worse than Torres was. At least we eventually had to succumb to the excuse that Torres was down and out from injuries before we signed him. 

Timo signed for us on the back of an amazing statistical season and right now (well ever since he signed) he looks sooooo bad. I really thought  Lamps was playing him out of position when in fact he's just an incredibly rubbish footballer. This is Bakayoko levels of fraud. Newcastle please put in a bid.

When you say officially worse, do you mean statistically or just an opinion. I’d completely agree with both.

At least when Torres wasn’t scoring, you’d notice him on the pitch doing stuff. Werner has just been so ineffective generally. He does really need to pull his finger out of his arse.

I heard a few people claim Werner would be on fire this season, I think someone needs to buy more firewood.

Watch no more than the first 3 goals and you will see that he had no problems finishing before, but you can also find a few videos of him missing like he does now. Can't find a compilation though.
I think this is just him as a player but he has gone down a notch in terms of finishing due to being in a harsher spotlight. I think we need to loan him out cause he can't perform at a big club atm.

He's scored three times in his last 35 league games for us.

Three!

No two ways about it, he's been colossal flop. Expectations have even been gradually lowered over the last several months and he's not even meeting the low bar we have set for his performances now.

 

 

What is this obsession with comparing Torres favroubly with any striker that struggles?

Atleast with Werner we can use his pressing and pace tactically even when he's playing bad, Torres had no positive attribute to fall back on, it was 10 men and some guy up front doing his own thing.

I will do you one better than Torres @Argo, Willian was better than Timo.

11 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I will do you one better than Torres @Argo, Willian was better than Timo.

I can understand the argument towards Willian as he had his plus points despite his flaws likewise with Lukaku as much as I don't rate him highly for what we need I can see he has some clear positives aswell as clear flaws.

But I just can't subscribe to this glorifying of Torres, he (our version) was not only a horrifically sh*t footballer with no real strengths to speak off he took absolutely zero responsibility for his performances either. Even his 'finest' moment in Barca came after he nearly blew the entire tie twice.

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

I can understand the argument towards Willian as he had his plus points despite his flaws likewise with Lukaku as much as I don't rate him highly for what we need I can see he has some clear positives aswell as clear flaws.

But I just can't subscribe to this glorifying of Torres, he (our version) was not only a horrifically sh*t footballer with no real strengths to speak off he took absolutely zero responsibility for his performances either. Even his 'finest' moment in Barca came after he nearly blew the entire tie twice.

Little bit of an understatement that mate, he is to you what Timo and Jorgi are to @just lol

Maybe Torres and Timo are compared as they both cost 50mill plus, both came as goalscores, and both were sh*t.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

What is this obsession with comparing Torres favroubly with any striker that struggles?

Atleast with Werner we can use his pressing and pace tactically even when he's playing bad, Torres had no positive attribute to fall back on, it was 10 men and some guy up front doing his own thing.

Torres winning the corner vs Bayern > Timos space creation for the goal vs city. 

Torres Barca moment > Timos header 1 yard out vs Madrid

Timo is absolute dog mess. I've literally given up on him. He's had a season, no career defining injury and he's as bad as he's ever been.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

I will do you one better than Torres @Argo, Willian was better than Timo.

 

I think we're being harsh on Timo. Yes, his finishing is a major concern, but look at how often he gets into good positions. CHO should've passed to him twice against Man Utd and both of those situations would've been big chances.

His work off the ball is superb, and that's how he creates space for others. What first comes to mind is Havertz's goal in CL final, where Timo's movement was crucial.

This comparison with Torres also doesn't work. When Torres was on the pitch, for most of the time, it felt like we were playing with 10 men.

Edited November 30, 20214 yr by wizardous

30 minutes ago, Valerie said: