On 06/01/2022 at 00:51, LongtimerLurker said:

I can't place too much blame on him the ball is bobbling he makes his mind up to go for the chip and very nearly executes it, Lloris did well

I can, the touch was poor. The ball to him was perfect, and if his touch landed the ball in front of him rather than to the side and slightly behind him, he would have had a simple side footed finish beyond Lloris.

11 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I can, the touch was poor. The ball to him was perfect, and if his touch landed the ball in front of him rather than to the side and slightly behind him, he would have had a simple side footed finish beyond Lloris.

Have to agree with Scott here.  Strikers always seem to pick the wrong option.  Low and hard past Lloris.  He is not alone though:

- Mount 1-1 vs Everton 6 yards out - hit it the only place Pickford could save
- Odoi vs. Villa 1-1.  Some say good save, but have to bury those
- Odoi vs. BHA 2v1 clean thru but passed to the only place the defender could stop it.  I don't buy the handball

There are so many more.  We are woeful finishers on some pretty simple chances.

Edited January 7, 20224 yr by PhilH930

I really want it to work out with Werner but I’m slowly losing hope week by week.

Sometimes he just looks like a sprinter we’re trying to convert into a professional footballer.

On 08/01/2022 at 21:42, 2211 said:

I really want it to work out with Werner but I’m slowly losing hope week by week.

Sometimes he just looks like a sprinter we’re trying to convert into a professional footballer.

I lost hope awhile ago. Another non-performance from him last night. And I'm not buying this "yeah, but we didn't create any chances" excuse. A player with his pace, playing on the last man, should be able to make and take his own chances occasionally. But he has neither the technical ability, trickery or natural finishing instinct to do it. There is a good deal of comedy value in his first touch, so there's something to enjoy I suppose.

On 07/01/2022 at 13:17, Scott Harris said:

I can, the touch was poor. The ball to him was perfect, and if his touch landed the ball in front of him rather than to the side and slightly behind him, he would have had a simple side footed finish beyond Lloris.

Agreed although, you'd have to have a superhumanly perfect first touch to get everything set up just nice for a side footed finish. 

1 hour ago, just said:

I lost hope awhile ago. Another non-performance from him last night. And I'm not buying this "yeah, but we didn't create any chances" excuse. A player with his pace, playing on the last man, should be able to make and take his own chances occasionally. But he has neither the technical ability, trickery or natural finishing instinct to do it. There is a good deal of comedy value in his first touch, so there's something to enjoy I suppose.

Agreed, he's not technically adept enough to really bring out his best in the PL. His physical abilities can only go so far. He's like the raw version of Salah, pure speed only. 

I wish Tuchel would stop playing this guy on the wings

On the stream clearly heard the Chelsea fans chanting ,'Timo, Timo'.

Obviously they see things we do not always appreciate watching on streams.

Didn't work out today they he did try. 

 

Thought he looked really bright and stretched them. Definitely should of come on much earlier than he did.

Thought he looked really bright and stretched them. Definitely should of come on much earlier than he did.

Personally I would play Timo up top with Ziyech on the right and Mount on the left. Lukaku can come on later.

Play Kovacic, Kante and Havertz in the middle and just go for a back four. At this rate the wingback system is actually making our attacking play worse off, I'm actually sick of it.

No disrespect but I don't want to see Alonso or Dave anywhere near the starting line up.

Edited January 21, 20224 yr by Malcolm9

5 minutes ago, Malcolm9 said:

Personally I would play Timo up top with Havertz on the right and Mount on the left. Lukaku can come on later.

Play Kovacic, Kante and Ziyech in the middle and just go for a back four. At this rate the wingback system is actually making our attacking play worse off, I'm actually sick of it.

No disrespect but I don't want to see Alonso or Dave anywhere near the starting line up.

So 0 width ?

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

So 0 width ?

You get the width from the attacking wide players and Ziyech / Havertz. This along with your fullbacks, hopefully Sarr and Chalobah in this case.

City play a 433, do they struggle?

Edited January 21, 20224 yr by Malcolm9

42 minutes ago, Malcolm9 said:

You get the width from the attacking wide players and Ziyech / Havertz. This along with your fullbacks, hopefully Sarr and Chalobah in this case.

City play a 433, do they struggle?

Havertz is a complete disaster on the wing. Ziyech has natural tendency to drift inside.

City play with two winger wide. Usually mahrez on the right and foden on the left. Both play as true winger where they stay wide all the time.

If you want to follow city route. You need to play both Puli and cho

4 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Havertz is a complete disaster on the wing. Ziyech has natural tendency to drift inside.

City play with two winger wide. Usually mahrez on the right and foden on the left. Both play as true winger where they stay wide all the time.

If you want to follow city route. You need to play both Puli and cho

The same Foden who drifted back into City's midfield to outnumber us only recently.

Ziyech and Havertz will be far more creative in a 433, Havertz played his best football when Frank used that formation.

1 minute ago, Malcolm9 said:

The same Foden who drifted back into City's midfield to outnumber us only recently.

Ziyech and Havertz will be far more creative in a 433, Havertz played his best football when Frank used that formation.

Against us I believe it was grealish who play as lw and sterling as rw.

Havertz was struggling playing as rw for lamp. His best game was when he played as a 10 behind a true no 9.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Against us I believe it was grealish who play as lw and sterling as rw.

Havertz was struggling playing as rw for lamp. His best game was when he played as a 10 behind a true no 9.

Play Ziyech wide then and play Havertz in the 10 role in front of Kovacic & Kante.

Last season it was all about "his movement is great and he's doing everything right, but he just can't score". Remember when we were stunned by his pace? Well, this season he's not even doing those things and I also think a part of the problem is him playing as a winger. But I doubt Tuchel is going to play him as a striker, simply because of 97 million Christian Benteke.

Anyway, full support for Timo, no matter what happens. He always gives 110% and we should appreciate that. The ability is certainly there and he still has time to prove himself.

I'm surprised he hasn't had much time playing on the left because he looked quite good there last season. 

Apparently he suffered pretty badly when he caught Covid so that might account for his reduced playing time recently. 

Wouldn't mind seeing us experiment for a game or two with a front three of

Werner - Havertz - Lukaku 

Wouldn't off a lot of natural width but could off some problems with the size and pace of the players. 

 

18 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I'm surprised he hasn't had much time playing on the left because he looked quite good there last season. 

Apparently he suffered pretty badly when he caught Covid so that might account for his reduced playing time recently. 

Wouldn't mind seeing us experiment for a game or two with a front three of

Werner - Havertz - Lukaku 

Wouldn't off a lot of natural width but could off some problems with the size and pace of the players. 

 

I would also like to see Lukaku on the side there, even if he doesn't work much off the ball Kante is behind him and we don't suffer much from it.

Couldn't raise a level even against Plymouth.

However, brilliant pass to allow Kai to set up the goal

Take the hard work out of Werners game and you have a very average poor player. 

That is Werner's ball every day of the week, what the hell is he doing?

If that's the way you approach the game playing for Chelsea FC you have no business being here whatsoever.

There's no confidence in him at all. Sad to see really.