4 minutes ago, Sindre said:

That is Werner's ball every day of the week, what the hell is he doing?

If that's the way you approach the game playing for Chelsea FC you have no business being here whatsoever.

This was the moment that Werner lost my support. I'd imagine Tuchel will have thrown his cup through the TV on seeing this. It probably sums up the fair-weather nature of a lot of our players. Show him the door in summer.

He looks broken.

I have been a huge fan of Timos, particularly last season, and I continue to think he is our best option up front, which is probably due to how little faith I have in the big lump.

But, Timo is so far off the pace, and so poor as a footballer, with such a low football IQ, that it is hard to accept.

Last season he was missing chances, but he was getting into the positions to miss them.

Last season he assisted a lot, and won a lot of pens, and was getting into the positions to make things happen for us.

This season, all the good stuff he was doing last year is gone. He isnt stretching sides, he isnt assisting, he isnt worrying defenders with pace and getting in behind, and he isnt getting into positions to win us pens.

 

Personally, I would play him up front. Drop Lukaku, play Kai and Timo as a front 2, and give him until the rest of the season. If it doesnt work out, sell him. Sell the lump, and start again.

9 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Personally, I would play him up front. Drop Lukaku, play Kai and Timo as a front 2, and give him until the rest of the season. If it doesnt work out, sell him. Sell the lump, and start again

And change zero goals for?...zero goals. None of them can hit a cows arse with a banjo

He looks like he won't be a part of our squad after this summer, that's all I can say.

30 minutes ago, charierre said:

This was the moment that Werner lost my support. I'd imagine Tuchel will have thrown his cup through the TV on seeing this. It probably sums up the fair-weather nature of a lot of our players. Show him the door in summer.

Yeah, that could be a turning point for me as well.

Actually thought the Lukaku pass was fine but Timo’s lack of desire meant he lost out in the race and pulled out of a 50/50.

Timo is not fighting for the shirt ATM and that was the very thing that was giving me hope, so if that goes from then I can’t think of any reason to keep him unfortunately.

39 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

He looks broken.

I have been a huge fan of Timos, particularly last season, and I continue to think he is our best option up front, which is probably due to how little faith I have in the big lump.

But, Timo is so far off the pace, and so poor as a footballer, with such a low football IQ, that it is hard to accept.

Last season he was missing chances, but he was getting into the positions to miss them.

Last season he assisted a lot, and won a lot of pens, and was getting into the positions to make things happen for us.

This season, all the good stuff he was doing last year is gone. He isnt stretching sides, he isnt assisting, he isnt worrying defenders with pace and getting in behind, and he isnt getting into positions to win us pens.

 

Personally, I would play him up front. Drop Lukaku, play Kai and Timo as a front 2, and give him until the rest of the season. If it doesnt work out, sell him. Sell the lump, and start again.

He isn't playing as much anoymore so he isn't really match fit compared to last season

3 minutes ago, 2211 said:

Yeah, that could be a turning point for me as well.

Actually thought the Lukaku pass was fine but Timo’s lack of desire meant he lost out in the race and pulled out of a 50/50.

Timo is not fighting for the shirt ATM and that was the very thing that was giving me hope, so if that goes from then I can’t think of any reason to keep him unfortunately.

He's broken imo. It's a combination of poor performance, lack of match sharpness and blocked entry to his preferred position becoming a downward spiral. 

It's the same thing that happened to Salah when he was here

37 minutes ago, charierre said:

And change zero goals for?...zero goals. None of them can hit a cows arse with a banjo

That may be the case, but again,  last season Timo still struggled with putting the ball in the net, but he contributed so much more and made things happen (something like 26 goals/assists combined last season). 

Rom is not adding goals, or assists, or pens or an outlet, or the pressing, or anything else. 

So yes, I would revert to Timo down the middle, Kai off him - good enough to win us the champions league. See if that kick starts him back to the pressing, penalty, assist machine he was last season....

And if it doesn't, we can at least say we tried.

12 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

He isn't playing as much anoymore so he isn't really match fit compared to last season

yep - agree. Which is why I would give him that prolonged run, up front, with Kai off him. Giving the chance to get back to march sharpness and see where it leads.

Surely cannot be any worse than what Rom is offering!

Howver bad Timo was today, he still linked up with Kai to play a huge part in the winning goal. 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

He looks like he won't be a part of our squad after this summer, that's all I can say.

Out  of all our attackers hes the one i want sold the most, not just because because of his lack of ability but if we play 433 i dont see where he fits in. We have CHO and Pulisic for the LW and we have Broja coming back in the summer. I think we could get our money back on him too.

I cant believe i use to defend this guy on here, awful payer.

Edited February 5, 20224 yr by jack_super_class

46 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

yep - agree. Which is why I would give him that prolonged run, up front, with Kai off him. Giving the chance to get back to march sharpness and see where it leads.

Surely cannot be any worse than what Rom is offering!

Howver bad Timo was today, he still linked up with Kai to play a huge part in the winning goal. 

We have seen Werner CF plenty of times and hes just as bad as he is playing LW.

13 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

We have seen Werner CF plenty of times and hes just as bad as he is playing LW.

26(ish) goals/assists last season playing through the middle. 

A role he played for us when we won the Champions League, including in the final, where he played a key part in the winning goal.

Don't get me wrong - I do think Timo looks broken, as I stated in my first post today...BUT....it is undeniable that when he had a long run of games playing through the centre last season, he was creating, providing and contributing more than what Rom has been giving us through the middle.

Whether is was penalty wins, assists, the odd goal, the pressing or simply the turn of pace, he gave us things that the big lump isn't. 

So I stand by my statement, that given our current options, I would give Timo a prolonged run through the middle, with Kai playing with him, and see if he kicks on, or even gets anywhere near back to his output of last season  (which again, whilst not being good enough, was still infinitely better than what Rom is giving us)

Best case scenario he finds form. Worst case, he doesn't and we remain where we are today.

Rom isn't working though. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Sindre said:

That is Werner's ball every day of the week, what the hell is he doing?

If that's the way you approach the game playing for Chelsea FC you have no business being here whatsoever.

Lack of commitment there for sure. 

Let’s have it right he’s  not of the required caliber to lead the line or provide service to a striker, idk whose got the poorer touch and lower football IQ him or Lumpkaku ? it’s a very close call 

move him on lucky barcodes will be looking for players in the summer if they stay up maybe a package deal him Lumpkaku & Pully for a discounted 150 mill ?😅

For all his faults, he’s still twice the player Lukaku is and he’s not getting as many opportunities. I don’t get why he and Havertz are not getting much game time ahead of Lukaku, they were key to our style despite not scoring as much as they should have. He’s not played well today, and I think he has lost some speed as last season he would have got to that ball ahead of the defender (and to be realistic, he would have missed the goal too).

5 minutes ago, RMH said:

For all his faults, he’s still twice the player Lukaku is and he’s not getting as many opportunities. I don’t get why he and Havertz are not getting much game time ahead of Lukaku, they were key to our style despite not scoring as much as they should have. He’s not played well today, and I think he has lost some speed as last season he would have got to that ball ahead of the defender (and to be realistic, he would have missed the goal too).

Both had symptomatic cases of covid. Some of those linger for a long time after, could be they are not back to 100% and only able to be subs.

The least we expect of our players is effort and commitment, him pulling out of that was pathetic, the sh*thouse can have no complaints if he never starts for us again.

Edited February 5, 20224 yr by dkw

12 minutes ago, dkw said:

The least we expect of our players is effort and commitment, him pulling out of that was pathetic, the sh*thouse can have complaints if he never starts for us again.

He did the same in another game. Was it Spurs and not challenging their keeper?

14 minutes ago, dkw said:

The least we expect of our players is effort and commitment, him pulling out of that was pathetic, the sh*thouse can have complaints if he never starts for us again.

Exactly, that was either a shot on goal or he gets clattered and it’s a penalty. 

Scheißhaus

Edited February 5, 20224 yr by charierre

6 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

yep - agree. Which is why I would give him that prolonged run, up front, with Kai off him. Giving the chance to get back to march sharpness and see where it leads.

Surely cannot be any worse than what Rom is offering!

Howver bad Timo was today, he still linked up with Kai to play a huge part in the winning goal. 

Or..... Option 4 TT brings back Tammy and gives him a prolonged run up front.

After all he is scoring goals and making assists in Serie A and that is a  bench mark for any top striker. What could go wrong?

9 minutes ago, just said:

Or..... Option 4 TT brings back Tammy and gives him a prolonged run up front.

After all he is scoring goals and making assists in Serie A and that is a  bench mark for any top striker. What could go wrong?

May be worth adding that Mickey Quinn bagged a double for Salernitana today with a young up and coming manager called Pauly at the helm.

It's a bit sad that Werner is even in the conversation purely on the back of how dire Not Emile Heskey has been for us.

People forget that very often Werner attempting to control a football looked like Stevie Wonder trying to tie his shoe laces.

6 minutes ago, just said:

It's a bit sad that Werner is even in the conversation purely on the back of how dire Not Emile Heskey has been for us.

People forget that very often Werner attempting to control a football looked like Stevie Wonder trying to tie his shoe laces.

I'd give him a run in the centre though. Not because I think he will deliver. More because Lukaku makes you think 'why wouldn't you'..

And if we do it needs to be 8 or 9 games on the bounce rather than a token attempt.

In all honesty you'd actually fancy Kezman or Furlong to score than either of them  but I believe neither of them are available until the summer transfer window.

I really wish we had just said f**k it and gone for Suarez in the January window.

13 hours ago, RMH said:

For all his faults, he’s still twice the player Lukaku is and he’s not getting as many opportunities. I don’t get why he and Havertz are not getting much game time ahead of Lukaku, they were key to our style despite not scoring as much as they should have. He’s not played well today, and I think he has lost some speed as last season he would have got to that ball ahead of the defender (and to be realistic, he would have missed the goal too).

Is he though? Apart from pace and hard work I mean, and vs Plymouth he didn't even offer that. Werner was struggling for goals last season but at least his effort was never in question, he would press like mad, never stop running and work tirelessly for the team. Yesterday he looked like he couldn't be bothered, and that's a worrying sign, He looked like somebody who's realized he can't cut it at that level and wants to go back to Germany where he can still be of use.

8 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Is he though? Apart from pace and hard work I mean, and vs Plymouth he didn't even offer that. Werner was struggling for goals last season but at least his effort was never in question, he would press like mad, never stop running and work tirelessly for the team. Yesterday he looked like he couldn't be bothered, and that's a worrying sign, He looked like somebody who's realized he can't cut it at that level and wants to go back to Germany where he can still be of use.

Yes, I think that he is a better player and offers far more to the team than Lukaku, tbh. He’s got his faults but at least works and presses more than Lukaku. Yesterday wasn’t a good performance but I think that he’s lost speed, maybe covid or maybe because he hasn’t played too often lately. On another season he’d have got to that ball well before the defender, and there was another occasion when he also lost the sprint to a Plymouth defender. He would have beaten the defender in speed last season easily. I think he should get a run of games ahead of Lukaku.