1 hour ago, charierre said:

Alternative view from a surprising source

 

He is also the one who said Romaros hair pull slam was fine, part of a man's game.

18 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Nah, I find it really hard to believe Mendy could get hurt by that. He pretended to be hurt

Which is the normal response from a keeper, go near them and they go down, ref blows up free kick to keeper, that's how it goes, always does, just one little touch on the keeper and it's called a foul.

I just don't understand why NOW it's decided it's not fair ?

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

He is also the one who said Romaros hair pull slam was fine, part of a man's game.

The title-winning England women will have been thrilled to hear that 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

He is also the one who said Romaros hair pull slam was fine, part of a man's game.

No he didn't mate, he said it's a straight red, he did say 'it's a man game', but he was on about a different challenge, one that i can't remember atm.

36 minutes ago, Valerie said:

The title-winning England women will have been thrilled to hear that 

They were yes lol

34 minutes ago, coco said:

No he didn't mate, he said it's a straight red, he did say 'it's a man game', but he was on about a different challenge, one that i can't remember atm.

Ah ok my mistake then, I thought I read he said that about about hair pull.

1 hour ago, coco said:

Which is the normal response from a keeper, go near them and they go down, ref blows up free kick to keeper, that's how it goes, always does, just one little touch on the keeper and it's called a foul.

I just don't understand why NOW it's decided it's not fair ?

Quite right too.

Last thing anyone needs is a repeat of the Steven Hunt challenge on Petr Cech ... 

I thought VAR was for clear and obvious errors , so why do they check every goal ? Is every goal award potentially wrong ?

If so then the on field refs need sacking if they've missed it . Also why do they get a bollickin if they don't change their decision?

Just watched Ref Watch on Sky what an absolute c*ck , agrees with all refs decisions unless premier league say error then he agrees with them .

Total fekkin Kn*b

IF strikers like Henry and Anelka existed in this day and age, they wouldn't have scored as many goals as they did because their game was heavily reliant on beating the offside trap by thin margins. Most of those thin margins would have been disallowed.

Well VAR was a sh*t show this weekend! Needs a massive review again. Will they ever get it right? 

This thread deserves a bump. @coco posted in match thread head of VAR implementation Neil Swarbrick was the VAR for our game vs West Ham yesterday.  Shocking inconsistency, and some considerations:

• Rashford's first goal vs. Leeds today (Sun Feb12) was close, and while likely onside, the line drawn was from his feet.  How on earth was Havertz's arm used yesterday then, a non-goalscoring part of his body.  While there are no lines drawn for his goal scoring body/feet, I believe that would have been onside
• Havertz decision took seconds, penalty took seconds, but we spent a good 60-90 seconds to confirm Rice (who you could actually see) was offside
• The non-penalty handball is simply a disgrace
• Robinson tackle vs. Fulham - the same tackle from Felix was a straight red no debate.  Wasn't foul play against us
• BBC article today on the Brentford error vs. Arsenal - they failed to even draw the offside lines and attribute human error.  I mean, the VAR person has one job.  BBC also referenced Palace, but failed to mention anything from Chelsea

Frustrated by it and clearly have my blue glasses on, but this is a joke.  How long until the PL implements the semi-automated system from the World Cup?

2 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

This thread deserves a bump. @coco posted in match thread head of VAR implementation Neil Swarbrick was the VAR for our game vs West Ham yesterday.  Shocking inconsistency, and some considerations:

• Rashford's first goal vs. Leeds today (Sun Feb12) was close, and while likely onside, the line drawn was from his feet.  How on earth was Havertz's arm used yesterday then, a non-goalscoring part of his body.  While there are no lines drawn for his goal scoring body/feet, I believe that would have been onside
• Havertz decision took seconds, penalty took seconds, but we spent a good 60-90 seconds to confirm Rice (who you could actually see) was offside
• The non-penalty handball is simply a disgrace
• Robinson tackle vs. Fulham - the same tackle from Felix was a straight red no debate.  Wasn't foul play against us
• BBC article today on the Brentford error vs. Arsenal - they failed to even draw the offside lines and attribute human error.  I mean, the VAR person has one job.  BBC also referenced Palace, but failed to mention anything from Chelsea

Frustrated by it and clearly have my blue glasses on, but this is a joke.  How long until the PL implements the semi-automated system from the World Cup?

Nothing new.. We already have been robbed off on so many occasions this season already -

Spurs, Pool, Yesterday.. we never get 50/50s.. United on the other hand against city was completely unbelievable.. we start with a -ve 6 point differential on VAR.

Until we start hearing the audio between the VAR ref and the on field ref nothing will change. Refs need to held accountable and get relegated and promoted just like teams. If you sh*te you get demoted.

Handball call was subjective and therefore right in the eyes of those who made it. Whereas Arsenal and Brighton were done wrong:

"The PGMOL hasn't formally commented on why VAR also ignored Chelsea's calls for a late penalty at West Ham when Tomas Soucek handled the ball. But according to The Times, that decision is being described as 'subjective' whereas the acknowledged errors that hurt Arsenal and Brighton have been attributed to 'human error'."

I had a feeling the refers were busy trying to find a way to legalize that WestHam goal, that's why it took so long. They tried different angles or lines, but eventually failed. WIth Havertz, it was offside via default,he's really taking over the Werner role without the work rate. It's shocking the referee wasn't called to view the hand ball incident, I mean if that doesn't warrant a look, you may as well play without a referee. Of course I'm biased, but the number of those 'close calls' against us in recent years are alarming. We should have won at least a domestic cup last season if those close calls went for us. The VAR criteria for Chelsea goal is always let's make sure 110% legitimate, if they apply the same criteria 1/2 of the goals every weekend be cancelled.

Not in every case, but I do believe VAR is actually used at time to favour certain sides with calls, or hinder them, like what happened with Arsenal yesterday and us too.

Sometimes is just cause our refs are sh*t as well.

I urge everyone to check the lines drawn for Havertz offside goal. The ball had clearly left Mudryks feet already, and also the line is drawn down from his elbow, nowhere near the armpit which FA ruling dictates is used for offside decisions.

Also the Felix goal. Why was there minimal replays and no lines drawn, because I havent seen the image anywhere. Again by looking at stills he looks onside to me or at the very worst millimetres offside.

Whats more shocking is both of these decisions which involved disallowing goals were made within seconds, and both were potentially wrong. Coupled with the blatent handball being reviewed in under 10 seconds, how are we just supposed to accept that. We are fighting for any points we can get and we would still have a chance at top 4 had even one of those gone our way.

I also dont understand why the decision to disallow West Hams goal took minutes when it was clearly offside yet all three of our decisions received minimal review and looked at in seconds. It smells of complete and utter corrupt officiating and the head of VAR was the VAR official yesterday which shows we are being screwed from the very top. Honestly they will talk about the handball only but i truly think they did everything they could to stop us winning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Handball call was subjective and therefore right in the eyes of those who made it. Whereas Arsenal and Brighton were done wrong:

"The PGMOL hasn't formally commented on why VAR also ignored Chelsea's calls for a late penalty at West Ham when Tomas Soucek handled the ball. But according to The Times, that decision is being described as 'subjective' whereas the acknowledged errors that hurt Arsenal and Brighton have been attributed to 'human error'."

I have no problem calling soucek called subjective but that is the kind of call where you call the ref to the screen and ask him to decide. 

 

Let me guess, Arsenal and Brighton will get a close call their way in the next few games to correct the wrong, while we will get nothing as usual. If I'm Man City, I'd be pretty worried about the next game, you know Arsenal will get a close call their way. Potter should kick up a sh1tstorm about this, 3 wrong calls on the weekend, yet the only one the league failed to acknowledge was one against us. As a team, we are just so nice on the field, take it on the chin and get on with it like nothing happened.  But nobody give 2 cents about how nice we are on the field, after we spend 300M on transfer. So if this is some misguided way to make us more likeable, definitely climbing the wrong tree

13 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Handball call was subjective and therefore right in the eyes of those who made it. Whereas Arsenal and Brighton were done wrong:

"The PGMOL hasn't formally commented on why VAR also ignored Chelsea's calls for a late penalty at West Ham when Tomas Soucek handled the ball. But according to The Times, that decision is being described as 'subjective' whereas the acknowledged errors that hurt Arsenal and Brighton have been attributed to 'human error'."

How can a law be subjective? Its either handball or it isn't.

Football became so much less enjoyable since VAR was introduced in the Prem. Works so well in international tournaments we just have clowns running it over here. 

The PGMOL say it’s not handball because he uses his hand to break his fall. 
But, he didn’t fall. He dived to the ground to deliberately stop the ball using his hand. It’s got to be bent.

 

19 hours ago, Oli said:

I urge everyone to check the lines drawn for Havertz offside goal. The ball had clearly left Mudryks feet already, and also the line is drawn down from his elbow, nowhere near the armpit which FA ruling dictates is used for offside decisions.

Also the Felix goal. Why was there minimal replays and no lines drawn, because I havent seen the image anywhere. Again by looking at stills he looks onside to me or at the very worst millimetres offside.

Whats more shocking is both of these decisions which involved disallowing goals were made within seconds, and both were potentially wrong. Coupled with the blatent handball being reviewed in under 10 seconds, how are we just supposed to accept that. We are fighting for any points we can get and we would still have a chance at top 4 had even one of those gone our way.

I also dont understand why the decision to disallow West Hams goal took minutes when it was clearly offside yet all three of our decisions received minimal review and looked at in seconds. It smells of complete and utter corrupt officiating and the head of VAR was the VAR official yesterday which shows we are being screwed from the very top. Honestly they will talk about the handball only but i truly think they did everything they could to stop us winning.

Can you please stand in for Potter and do his post match interviews.

On 07/09/2022 at 21:17, Boyne said:

It's funny but perhaps the VAR ref's are the ones putting on the big bets at Paddy Power...