56 minutes ago, Upsetter said:

I honestly don’t know. If we can’t poach someone like Potter, then - and I have to admit I don’t follow the European leagues at all - there’s surely got to be someone out there, someone who is at least willing to take a risk, someone capable of stopping the rot, turning things around.

If we ring Potter he comes running. 

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

He seems genuinely shocked at the players and angry they didnt take opposition seriously. He looks baffled by their effort. It seems the players are not interested in playing at all. I really hopes he finds a solution even if its going back to basics like giving up the ball and playing on the counter. 

The players are embarrassing, I dont know if its the culture at the club or what but I am sure our last 5 managers all said the players are hard to motivate at Chelsea and its not the same players so the only other factor is the Club itself and its Culture.   

It has happened many, many times before. The players down tools and decided they cannot be bothered to put the effort in, look disinterested and don't  care. Then Roman sacks the manager, brings in a new one to get them going for a bit and then rinse and repeat.

Players don't care Roman has gone, they are just pulling the same trick and our new owners are putting them on easy street with big fat contracts so we can be a retirement home just like Arsenal used to be. Koulibaly and Dave put in great retirement like performances today.

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When the players turn on Chelsea manager and stop believing in him it only goes one way...least it used to. How will Todd handle this, can he get them to believe in TT again or will he be left with no choice but to do what Roman had to many times before?

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

When the players turn on Chelsea manager and stop believing in him it only goes one way...least it used to. How will Todd handle this, can he get them to believe in TT again or will he be left with no choice but to do what Roman had to many times before?

The thing is, if we sack tuchel before the end of the season it would be the first manager we've sacked since Carlo where I'd wonder if it was too soon. There's no evidence the players have stopped believing, just that they don't really know what to do. And I'm curious if they were forced to stick it out, would they eventually learn. 

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

The thing is, if we sack tuchel before the end of the season it would be the first manager we've sacked since Carlo where I'd wonder if it was too soon. There's no evidence the players have stopped believing, just that they don't really know what to do. And I'm curious if they were forced to stick it out, would they eventually learn. 

We will find out. I think most of them have stopped believe in TT and his vision for them and the team.

1 hour ago, Upsetter said:

Disagree. These are not 1/10 players, not “bums”, these are for the most part talented, experienced players, who are collectively massively underperforming. This often happens when the manager loses the dressing room, which I would hazard (no pun) a guess is what’s going on here.

Tuchel appears to be scrambling for someone to blame, “we’re not doing this”, “we’re not doing that”, rather than accept that it’s his own management style, the limitation of his coaching ability, that week after week, produces turgid, ineffectual performances, that he seems wholly unable, or even willing to address.

I’d love to be wrong, but I can’t see the situation improving at all while Tuchel’s running the show.

I hope this link works

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/a-year-of-thomas-tuchel-at-chelsea--the-stats

Can Todd please just pay up the ransom so we can have this bloke back. I remember when this guy was in charge. He was in control of everything.  Let's get this guy back.

42 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

It has happened many, many times before. The players down tools and decided they cannot be bothered to put the effort in, look disinterested and don't  care. Then Roman sacks the manager, brings in a new one to get them going for a bit and then rinse and repeat.

Players don't care Roman has gone, they are just pulling the same trick and our new owners are putting them on easy street with big fat contracts so we can be a retirement home just like Arsenal used to be. Koulibaly and Dave put in great retirement like performances today.

But which players are you referring to in this case? Very few players in our first team squad were part of Lampard's core team. In fact half our team only joined Chelsea in the last month or so.

Firing Tuchel doesn't mean things will be better. Maybe short term there is a small uptick in performance, but I doubt it will continue. It's damaging to keep getting rid of the manager. 

1 hour ago, HazardousChoice said:

I'd argue none of the 5 are anything special technically.

When I think Elite technical quality in the league now I'm thinking Bernardo Silva, Mahrez, Firminho even Saint Maxim

When is the last time any of our 5 actually dribbled past their man?

Our problem is actually a massive lack of technical ability in the final 3rd which is why no one can actually play in tight spaces or through packed defences.

Even out of the group that you have selected, I would say that only Bernardo Silva is what I would called technically gifted with the ball at his feet. He could be in an average sized living room with a ball and you couldn't get it off of him. The others have great ability but have also great levels of fitness and strength. These guys will play at tempo all game, therefore their technical ability always has a chance to flourish. Pulisic came on as a sub tonight and looked bollocksed after 20 mins.

If you are mentally and physically fitter than your opponent when they are fatigued then it must give you an edge for technical skill to come into play. I just don't see this anywhere in our team, full stop.

52 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

If we ring Potter he comes running. 

Does he though. He could make Europe this year with a side punching big time. 6th - 8th I reckon currently here.  If he came here and got us to 4th somehow it would still be deemed failing, even though we'd all know he'd have pulled rainbows out of his arse to achieve it.

36 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

When the players turn on Chelsea manager and stop believing in him it only goes one way...least it used to. How will Todd handle this, can he get them to believe in TT again or will he be left with no choice but to do what Roman had to many times before?

This is what I hate the most about modern day football and what I detest most about these pampered to$$ers that play the game.

The sooner the transfer system is massively overhauled, transfer fees are scrapped entirely and a maximum pay cap brought in the better.

In no other line of work would some of the behaviour that we have witnessed at our own club have been tolerated. Even a week ago we make an offer to a club for a player under contract there and he refuses to train with them to force through the move. And yet they all want us paying 80 odd quid a ticket, TV subscriptions,  100 pound shirts and merchandise to support the team and players and to demonstrate our loyalty. Fck me.

This argument of it’s the players fault versus it’s the mangers fault is silly because it’s bloody obvious that it’s a joint effort. And of course all manner of back room staff and management have very much played their part too. It’s what I think is called cluster f**k.

Meanwhile Haaland is on track for KdB to serve him up 50 goals on a plate this season. And I’ve even read opinion that Pep didn’t want Haaland.

I have no doubt the sun has set on our era of success and we are on an expensive slide into ‘also rans’ territory. Still, at least we still exist for now. I wonder who Todd’s lot will sell to when they realise they’ve burnt hundreds of millions trying in vain to compete with oil states.

36 minutes ago, forbzy said:

But which players are you referring to in this case? Very few players in our first team squad were part of Lampard's core team. In fact half our team only joined Chelsea in the last month or so.

I would single only one out. Thiago Silva. 

He is the only one to give a sh*t. The rest are swaning about like they don't have a care in the world. Is just a Chelsea thing, seems ingrained in the dressing room.

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I would single only one out. Thiago Silva. 

He is the only one to give a sh*t. The rest are swaning about like they don't have a care in the world. Is just a Chelsea thing, seems ingrained in the dressing room.

That is certainly the way things appear but in the past it felt more like some players directly downed tools as they were not on board with the manager. This time around it feels like the squad is totally disorganized with a lack of any real coaching direction. Apart from the Spurs game it has felt that way from pre-season onwards.

When Pochettino is mentioned as a replacement

Edited September 6, 20223 yr by azpi28

The only replacement I would back to have immediate succes is Ancelotti 

3 minutes ago, forbzy said:

That is certainly the way things appear but in the past it felt more like some players directly downed tools as they were not on board with the manager. This time around it feels like the squad is totally disorganized with a lack of any real coaching direction. Apart from the Spurs game it has felt that way from pre-season onwards.

If that is how it is then that is a lot more damaging of TT than what I suggested, as it would be far more his failing if they are not organized and not prepared and focused for a match.

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12 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

If that is how it is then that is a lot more damaging of TT than what I suggested, as it would be far more his failing if they are not organized and not prepared and focused for a match.

When the club ownership issues begin last season, that coincided with Tuchel having his own personal issues. Under those conditions it is easy to see how the players were suddenly lacking in leadership and control from the top. Now we have new owners who are still getting to grips with the club and the Premier League, and they have leant heavily on Tuchel as the only senior member left from the previous regime. That has probably led to Tuchel spending too much time on "Director of Football" stuff and not enough time on coaching/managing the team. At least he should be able to focus more on that now the transfer window is closed, but I think he has his work cut out. It also doesn't speak very highly of the rest of the coaching team that we look so alarmingly out of sorts.

In an alternate universe, if Roman was still in charge he would likely have shown Tuchel the door after the end of last season and then tried to find a new manager that could work with Lukaku. But we still would have been in need of major rebuilding as there had been no evidence that we planned to try and keep those players that decided to leave after last season. 

I think what we are seeing now is the perfect storm of the volatility surrounding new ownership, aligned with several years of poor planning and questionable decisions in the transfer market.

2 minutes ago, forbzy said:

When the club ownership issues begin last season, that coincided with Tuchel having his own personal issues. Under those conditions it is easy to see how the players were suddenly lacking in leadership and control from the top. Now we have new owners who are still getting to grips with the club and the Premier League, and they have leant heavily on Tuchel as the only senior member left from the previous regime. That has probably led to Tuchel spending too much time on "Director of Football" stuff and not enough time on coaching/managing the team. At least he should be able to focus more on that now the transfer window is closed, but I think he has his work cut out. It also doesn't speak very highly of the rest of the coaching team that we look so alarmingly out of sorts.

In an alternate universe, if Roman was still in charge he would likely have shown Tuchel the door after the end of last season and then tried to find a new manager that could work with Lukaku. But we still would have been in need of major rebuilding as there had been no evidence that we planned to try and keep those players that decided to leave after last season. 

I think what we are seeing now is the perfect storm of the volatility surrounding new ownership, aligned with several years of poor planning and questionable decisions in the transfer market.

So buckle in and try and enjoy the football we have on offer as it likely is not getting any better eh?

Man i just want to enjoy watching us play football again. It’s honestly a hassle to sit and watch us play. For months now. 
 

Sad to think our best attacking display came against Leicester. When we had 10 men and were forced to attack. 

26 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Man i just want to enjoy watching us play football again. It’s honestly a hassle to sit and watch us play. For months now. 
 

Sad to think our best attacking display came against Leicester. When we had 10 men and were forced to attack. 

 

 

We should give that Carney guy from Aston Villa a chance, our current midfielders are woeful at the moment, they get ran through so easily when Kante's not fit

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Man i just want to enjoy watching us play football again. It’s honestly a hassle to sit and watch us play. For months now. 
 

Sad to think our best attacking display came against Leicester. When we had 10 men and were forced to attack. 

I think it's longer than months, it's more like years with a few months break from the sh*t in between. 

I look at Liverpool, and even though they have started the season poor, they are still creating a ton of chances, keeping fans entertained and will probably go on a decent run of results soon, but we just look so lifeless. I have made comments about Stamford Bridge being quiet these days and I feel like this is why, the brand of football for the past 5 years has been painful to sit through. Fans don't want to see 30 minutes of passing the ball around creating nothing at walking pace. We want to see hard working, fast, exciting football. What is the point having all of that possession when the opposition can just sit off us, counter and create better chances than we create in an entire game?

This has easily been the most boring period of watching Chelsea football club in my time as a fan. Some will say that is just being spoilt because we have won things with this type of football, but football is more than just winning trophies, I want to enjoy the ride, not just celebrate the one off moments.

Just play basic 343 please 🙏🙏

 

16 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I think it's longer than months, it's more like years with a few months break from the sh*t in between. 

I look at Liverpool, and even though they have started the season poor, they are still creating a ton of chances, keeping fans entertained and will probably go on a decent run of results soon, but we just look so lifeless. I have made comments about Stamford Bridge being quiet these days and I feel like this is why, the brand of football for the past 5 years has been painful to sit through. Fans don't want to see 30 minutes of passing the ball around creating nothing at walking pace. We want to see hard working, fast, exciting football. What is the point having all of that possession when the opposition can just sit off us, counter and create better chances than we create in an entire game?

This has easily been the most boring period of watching Chelsea football club in my time as a fan. Some will say that is just being spoilt because we have won things with this type of football, but football is more than just winning trophies, I want to enjoy the ride, not just celebrate the one off moments.

Yup, our football is certainly sleep inducing.