3 minutes ago, the special one said:

A couple of names I'd dare to mention... Graham Potter and Gareth Southgate (post WC?)

I'd rather have Kepa Arrizabalaga in charge than Southgate

9 minutes ago, Nibs said:

That's the trouble with football nowadays and the mindset of the modern supporter.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not over the moon with our performances and results and TT is quite rightly being questioned. But you just can't go sacking one coach and appointing another every time the team goes on a bad run. If we slip down the table and don't get out of our CL group, then yes, call for a change, but lets stop all the crying and have a bit more patience FFS.

It seems like no matter how many coaches we go through, fans will never learn. 20 years of this now, following the same pattern. New manager bounce, then things go sour and in no time at all, the manager is sacked and the cycle repeats itself.

I don't understand how so many fans fall into this same trap every time. Do they genuinely believe that after 20 years of this, things will suddenly change when the next one comes in? Mourinho, Ancelotti and Conte, the highest bracket of coaches the game has seen in the past 20 years, and we sacked all of them, one of them twice. Tuchel was well on his way to getting amongst that group at the start of last season, but the problem is that Chelsea can't be stable for more than a few months. Things change fast in football, but at no other club would you see the highest of highs turn into disaster so quickly.

Robbie had won nothing before and since then. Tuchel is a serial winner. Even if last season wasn't perfect we won two cups and lost two finals on penalties against Liverpool. 

Tommy won't get sacked cause Boehly and the board don't have the experience here or the clout!

He would have long gone with Roman!

24 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Stick with a manager who can’t get a single player in the squad to consistently look good? You can’t just stick with a manager in the hope they come good - is that not what everyone said about Frank? At least we had players who continually performed there. 
 

What we desperately need is a sporting director who will deal with transfer targets and choose a philosophy of play so that the coaching change doesn’t impact the overall plan. 
 

The football under Tuchel in the last 10-12 months has been awful. His record in the league and particularly at home is not good. Without his cup management he’s not impressed that much IMO so if we lose the cup runs, we’re in big trouble.

Difference is that it is too early to call for Tuchel's head. Frank was fired when we were about 9th in the table after half a season. We are 5th, only four points off the league leaders, only in the first week of September and still have 5 UCL games to go. IMO Tuchel deserves more time. IF we fire him now this would be one of the most premature firings ever in our history of firing and hiring.

We are also essentially going to be doing the same thing we've been doing for the last four or so managers if we fire Tuchel. And we will be in this position again in one and a half years time. How about we try something different this time?

Edited September 6, 20223 yr by Frankie8Lampard

https://youtu.be/kxCbMXhuHaU

Tuchel's game plan.

 

Edited September 6, 20223 yr by Lampsy

Just now, evissy said:

Robbie had won nothing before and since then. Tuchel is a serial winner. Even if last season wasn't perfect we won two cups and lost two finals on penalties against Liverpool. 

I wouldn't consider Tuchel a serial winner. He had one domestic cup to his name before PSG and us. 

He has shown to turn our misfortunes around in the past (which has gifted him more time) but the biggest issue right now is that the football is going backwards with each passing match week. 

20 minutes ago, Deino said:

3 games left to turn the season around and get it back on track for me.

At the very least, we need to see improvement in performance. 

I could care two sh*ts about results in these next 3 games. I want to see improvement on pitch and how we function. 

I can't see a change in manager making a difference. There is just an inherent mentality about slow possession in this squad, since Sarri came in. It's infested everyone who's come into contact with it. 

But regardless, he only seem to be getting worse. For me, he has until the end of the month to see if there are any signs of improvement. If not, then he has to go.

10 minutes ago, the special one said:

A couple of names I'd dare to mention... Graham Potter and Gareth Southgate (post WC?)

Considering those managers have no trophies in the cabinet, fans would call for those manager's heads quicker than they are already calling for Tommy's. It will just end in misery.

3 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Difference is that it is too early to call for Tuchel's head. Frank was fired when we were about 9th in the table after half a season. We are 5th, only four points off the league leaders, only in the first week of September and still have 5 UCL games to go. IMO Tuchel deserves more time. IF we fire him now this would be one of the most premature firings ever in our history of firing and hiring.

We are also essentially going to be doing the same thing we've been doing for that last four or so managers of we fire Tuchel. And we will be in this position again in one and a half years time. How about we try something different this time?

It’s not just the start of this season though is the key point. 
 

Like I said to Nibs, the biggest concern is there’s not a single consistent performer under him & it looks like the players have stopped playing for him - when does this end any other way? 
 

As for doing the same thing as we always have, that same thing has made us the most successful English club in the last 2-3 decades - clearly it works.

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

Robbie had won nothing before and since then. Tuchel is a serial winner. Even if last season wasn't perfect we won two cups and lost two finals on penalties against Liverpool. 

Harsh on Robbie I'd say. Under his leadership we won both the Champs League and FA Cup in 1/2 a season. Yes we failed to qualify from our group in the Champs League following season, but we were 3rd with 24 points from 12 games when he was fired. Plus our 2 league losses included a ridiculous defeat against United when the ref sent off 2 of our players (including Torres for 'diving').

 

 Watching that 90 min it does not take a football genius to work out from the attitude of the players, their movement off the ball, their expressions to one another, team selection , players  played out of position that there is no belief from the players in the manager or his dour tactics. Nobody want to play for this guy. None of our top transfare targets wanted to play for him. The word is out amoung the elite players this manager will destroy your career 

5 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Like I said to Nibs, the biggest concern is there’s not a single consistent performer under him & it looks like the players have stopped playing for him - when does this end any other way? 

Today it may have looked that way.

But turning it around v West Ham and dominating Leicester to ultimately win with 10 men suggest otherwise. This is not even remotely close to how we have traditionally looked when the manager have lost the dressing room. So I am convinced that Tuchel haven't.

 

 

7 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

It’s not just the start of this season though is the key point. 
 

Like I said to Nibs, the biggest concern is there’s not a single consistent performer under him & it looks like the players have stopped playing for him - when does this end any other way? 
 

As for doing the same thing as we always have, that same thing has made us the most successful English club in the last 2-3 decades - clearly it works.

I don't think the player's are not playing for him. It's more so that they lack confidence to do what he asks them to do because of a string of poor performances (Some of which can be blamed on Tuchel's team selection/formation in a couple of those games). Sometimes a team on poor form just needs one good performance to build on before things start clicking. We were close to getting that at Spurs but were robbed by poor officiating. It would be a better idea to give time for the team to sort themselves out versus firing Tuchel and hoping the next manager fixes the team's problems. 

1 minute ago, Sindre said:

Today it may have looked that way.

But turning it around v West Ham and dominating Leicester to ultimately win with 10 men suggest otherwise. This is not even remotely close to how we have traditionally looked when the manager have lost the dressing room. So I am convinced that Tuchel haven't.

We did turn it around by West Ham but not for the lack of trying to f**k it up. Jorgi giving the ball away when they hit the post and the disallowed goal was fortunate. Leicester, I’ll give you but is there any of our players that you can say consistently look good? 
 

I’d love him to turn it around, he seems a nice bloke and very charismatic when we’re doing well but I just can’t see where the change will come, our next 3 games certainly aren’t going to be easy.

This is simply awful.  It is not good enough.  We're in a results business, and even when getting results, the manner of performances drives questions.  Right now we aren't getting results and performances are nothing short of abysmal.

Tuchel's system is flawed.  We've been poor for months.  Look at our cup final record under Tuchel also - 6 finals, 3 goals in normal time - 3 of those games we didn't even score.

I watch Chelsea every week hoping for change, but reality is this pattern is long set and as long as Tuchel is in charge I see no change in our on field productivity.  Really poor, and I would not be against a Manager change soon. 

7 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

It’s not just the start of this season though is the key point. 
 

Like I said to Nibs, the biggest concern is there’s not a single consistent performer under him & it looks like the players have stopped playing for him - when does this end any other way? 
 

As for doing the same thing as we always have, that same thing has made us the most successful English club in the last 2-3 decades - clearly it works.

It worked for us before, but I honestly think a lot of that was down to luck. When you look at the sides who have been successful in the PL we are the only ones who have acheived it by keep changing managers. Utd & Arsenal had Fergie and Wenger and now more recently, City & Liverpool have Pep & Klopp. You CANNOT change the manager after a few bad results. Most clubs would get through 3-4 managers a season if they acted like that. 

And I don't want to hear anyone come out with that favourite old cliche ............"He's lost the dressing room"! A lazy line that gets branded about too often and practically every club!!

 

22 minutes ago, evissy said:

Robbie had won nothing before and since then. Tuchel is a serial winner. Even if last season wasn't perfect we won two cups and lost two finals on penalties against Liverpool. 

Thats not good enough though.  Saying we lost two finals on penalties papers over the cracks that we are unable to score goals in games, finals in particular.  Sure Liverpool didn't score either, but I'm not fussed about what Liverpool do or do not do at all.

2 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

 

I watch Chelsea every week hoping for change, but reality is this pattern is long set and as long as Tuchel is in charge I see no change in our on field productivity.  Really poor, and I would not be against a Manager change soon. 

 

Change to who?

Unless we enter the dreaded relegation zone he wont be sacked, Bully will not want that headache to deal with while acclimatizing to his new pet project. Could say that's a a good thing not being so trigger happy as RA, as stated above we are 5th in EPL and alive in all cups, last time when we won this comp SFL lost the first group game; so although today was pee pee poor its not a sackable offence unless you are a wound up poster on the SEF !

It's a shame we don't have Liverpool this weekend rather than the one after. We could do with a game against a team where we will naturally sit deeper and invite the opposition onto us rather than whatever it is we've been trying to do since the Tottenham game.

On the other hand, we don't have Kanté, our one extraordinary footballer (apologies to Thiago Silva), so, you know, maybe not so much of a shame...

56 minutes ago, evissy said:

A ton of Chelsea fans posting here. I mean Roman era Chelsea fans.

Don't forget us Tommy Docherty and Dave Sexton era fans...we are still alive..and we have seen some dross over the years but we knew what were getting every week, with this squad we have no idea and I dare say the manager doesn't either.  

40 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

It’s not just the start of this season though is the key point. 
 

Like I said to Nibs, the biggest concern is there’s not a single consistent performer under him & it looks like the players have stopped playing for him - when does this end any other way? 
 

As for doing the same thing as we always have, that same thing has made us the most successful English club in the last 2-3 decades - clearly it works.

Let's not pretend it is working anywhere near as much as it used to work. We lost 3 F.A cup finals in a row and 2 League cup finals in a row and haven't come close to competing in the league since 2017. We also lost the Community Shield in 2017 and Super Cup in 2019.

The Europa League was nice to win, but the only reason we were in the tournament to begin with was because the previous season was such a f**k up. The Champions League win was a nice distraction from what was yet again, another season that was painful to sit through. The Europa League and Champions League wins can be summed up as good endings to a sh*t season.

Edited September 6, 20223 yr by Scott Harris

On a more sober (not literally) note, Tuchel has done basically everything wrong so far this season. We look utterly terrible from back to front and it needs to be fixed, or the season will effectively be over by the end of September.

Might be worth hiring some more senior staff there Boehly?