It's incredible how Badiashille has gone from hero to zero in the space of 4/5 months.

18 minutes ago, Argo said:

It's incredible how Badiashille has gone from hero to zero in the space of 4/5 months.

4/5 months is an eternity around here. 4/5 minutes is the usual.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

It's incredible how Badiashille has gone from hero to zero in the space of 4/5 months.

He has been absolutely abysmal since his return from injury tbf. 

On 05/06/2024 at 14:47, Ukraine Bolt said:

He has been absolutely abysmal since his return from injury tbf. 

Looks like he has been exposed in a more attacking system.

On 29/05/2024 at 14:29, carefree franco said:

If we sold our youth academy for pure profit and bought the best around it would be one thing. But selling trev for so cheap whilst amortising the same amount of money on Disasi who’s not as good as him seems bizarre. 

This problem has long persisted and the management and many in the fanbase don't rate our academy players unless they're Ronaldo+Messi rolled into one. The notion that good academy players can be developed into good squad players is basically unheard of. You're good enough to keep only if you have Terry-esque talent otherwise you're likely to be sold at the first opportunity. At the same time we keep wasting millions upon millions on sh*te like Badiashile, Disasi, Malang Sarr, Jackson, etc. Pep has won titles with the likes of Akanji and Ake, the same player that our fans and management thought wasn't good enough. Ake, Tomori, Abraham would've been very good squad options and better players and saved us millions that we've wasted on Disasi, Badiashile and Jackson. We're going down the same route with Chalobah this time. We'll likely spend big on another average CB after selling Chalobah.

Edited June 6, 20242 yr by Nick05

On 06/06/2024 at 21:34, Nick05 said:

This problem has long persisted and the management and many in the fanbase don't rate our academy players unless they're Ronaldo+Messi rolled into one. The notion that good academy players can be developed into good squad players is basically unheard of. You're good enough to keep only if you have Terry-esque talent otherwise you're likely to be sold at the first opportunity. At the same time we keep wasting millions upon millions on sh*te like Badiashile, Disasi, Malang Sarr, Jackson, etc. Pep has won titles with the likes of Akanji and Ake, the same player that our fans and management thought wasn't good enough. Ake, Tomori, Abraham would've been very good squad options and better players and saved us millions that we've wasted on Disasi, Badiashile and Jackson. We're going down the same route with Chalobah this time. We'll likely spend big on another average CB after selling Chalobah.

Half agree…But it comes down to ambition.

If we are happy to have a serviceable squad, full of ok players, but not world beaters - then your method of keeping the likes of Chalobah and Tammy is fine.

But if we want to compete at the very top, then we need to aim higher.

of course - that needs us to replace them with better players - something which I agree we have often failed to do… but the mistakes we have made in buying players, doesn’t change the fact that many of the academy graduates we have let go have not been good enough.

And on the Ake and Akanji point …. Don’t forget that city payed a combined £60m (approx) for those…. Not chump change. 

10 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Half agree…But it comes down to ambition.

If we are happy to have a serviceable squad, full of ok players, but not world beaters - then your method of keeping the likes of Chalobah and Tammy is fine.

But if we want to compete at the very top, then we need to aim higher.

of course - that needs us to replace them with better players - something which I agree we have often failed to do… but the mistakes we have made in buying players, doesn’t change the fact that many of the academy graduates we have let go have not been good enough.

And on the Ake and Akanji point …. Don’t forget that city payed a combined £60m (approx) for those…. Not chump change. 

I'd simply say United under red nose used his youth team, not just the class of 92, but also other youth players from the united academy to support the first team. 

Ake is clearly good enough to compete in a team at the top of the league, as is Kovacic and both are pretty much rotating squad memebers in that city side. We had it for a while where we had experienced internationals filliing in under the first team. 

I think it all comes back to the phrase, pathway to the first 11 and given injuries in modern football, you need fresh legs to come in and do a job. Talents like Musiala would then perhaps think twice about leaving. The issue is how do you get players like Timouri, Gehui, et all who develop slightly later, to stick around until they become good quality premiership players. time on the pitch. 

15 minutes ago, bluetrooper said:

I'd simply say United under red nose used his youth team, not just the class of 92, but also other youth players from the united academy to support the first team. 

Ake is clearly good enough to compete in a team at the top of the league, as is Kovacic and both are pretty much rotating squad memebers in that city side. We had it for a while where we had experienced internationals filliing in under the first team. 

I think it all comes back to the phrase, pathway to the first 11 and given injuries in modern football, you need fresh legs to come in and do a job. Talents like Musiala would then perhaps think twice about leaving. The issue is how do you get players like Timouri, Gehui, et all who develop slightly later, to stick around until they become good quality premiership players. time on the pitch. 

That’s where the loan system comes in.

Players go out on loan - prove that they are good enough (like Colwill?) then they come back and earn a spot.

Other players go out on loan - get shown to be out of their depth, and then moved on. 

52 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

That’s where the loan system comes in.

Players go out on loan - prove that they are good enough (like Colwill?) then they come back and earn a spot.

Other players go out on loan - get shown to be out of their depth, and then moved on. 

Or players go out on loan, prove they're good enough, come back and prove they're good enough (Gallagher) and are still shown the exit door. 

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

That’s where the loan system comes in.

Players go out on loan - prove that they are good enough (like Colwill?) then they come back and earn a spot.

Other players go out on loan - get shown to be out of their depth, and then moved on. 

Yeah.... It clearly hasn't worked because we've sold most of the all-conquering youth team, and continue to sell others who really could have done a job over a number of years. Ake, to many fans, wasnt good enough, but was for a club competing at the top of the premier league and europe. 

It works when you have a pathway to the senior squad and players come back knowing they have a chance.

Case in point, Cesare Casadei. Went on loan and was called back, people were calling for him to be included in our team or be sent back on loan as it was a waste having him at Stamford Bridge. 

ther is a counter argument here as well, we say that the young players signed for huge money need time to settle and develop when coming to the premiership. Well, if you're an 18 year old going on loan from us to France or spain, or holland, its the same adjustments our youth make moving abroad or to other clubs domestically. so a loan player is always going to be more unsettled than being at a club theyve been all their lives. 

Its hit and miss. But given how the clubs finances are right now, I'd say the cobham boys could be saving us a fortune on players being brought in and underperforming for 12 months before theyre all up to speed. 

for the "data" bods to work out. 

 

The Athletic reporting the club want to sell Chalobah because they don't see him as a ball playing CB. 

Load of bollocks. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The Athletic reporting the club want to sell Chalobah because they don't see him as a ball playing CB. 

Load of bollocks. 

In that case, they should also sell Baddy and Axel - both are rubbish with the ball.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The Athletic reporting the club want to sell Chalobah because they don't see him as a ball playing CB. 

Load of bollocks. 

Is this the level of dishonesty we're going to get from these owners now?

If they were honest they would say that they need to sell Chalobah because they spent stupid money on inferior players and players the club never needed.

4 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Is this the level of dishonesty we're going to get from these owners now?

If they were honest they would say that they need to sell Chalobah because they spent stupid money on inferior players and players the club never needed.

Lol, how stupid do they think we are. Its hard enough forgiving them for getting in a situation where we need to sell Trev, being served such a blatant lie to cover their asses just makes it worse. 
Disasi should be the one to go and they know it, but unfortunately Trev will be the one sacrificed on the altar of Pure Profit

Reports he hasn't traveled with the team amidst the club trying to sell him. 

 

f**king sh*tbags, Trev is a king among men.

Far better than Disasi and Badiashille but no one will be buying them and clearly trying to make that HG Profit

Nice . Real classy! Keep it up .. the club has lost its soul!

I understand the connection to the club with Chalobah but lets be honest he has never been able to hold his place in the team. And he holds pretty good transfer value. 

He is a very steady player but for me not one we need to keep. 

I'd like to see what would've happened had he not got injured last preseason and was out for half the year. Feel like that forced the club to sign Disaster. 

Our best centre back by a country mile entering the peak of his career. He is a class above what we have. Also an academy product.
 

Sell him, we are left with a crocked Fofana who is finished at top level, error prone Disasi and Badiashille who are also awful on the ball and a 21 year old Colwill who still has a lot to learn. None of them can command the back line or have any leadership qualities either. 
 

With Silva also gone, big trouble next season. If you have two second and third rate centre backs who belong mid to bottom of the table, that is where Chelsea will likely finish. Unless they buy a world class experienced centre back, which they wont, probably buy a few more 15 years olds. 

In the NBA teams tank, so they can get 1st draft pick in following seasons. What the American owners still havent realised theres nothing to win by tanking only relegation. 

 

53 minutes ago, Vialli96 said:

Our best centre back by a country mile

No he's not.

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'd like to see what would've happened had he not got injured last preseason and was out for half the year. Feel like that forced the club to sign Disaster. 

I always thought of Disasi as the cover for Wes Fofana's injury ... 

52 minutes ago, Argo said:

No he's not.

Who then? Enlighten us 

6 minutes ago, Vialli96 said:

Who then? Enlighten us 

Colwill is clear atm.