18 minutes ago, Liam said:

The match thread on Red and White Kop forum is about 50% posts on how Taylor f**ks Liverpool everytime.

He’s probably got to the dead rats in the dustbins before they’ve got to their treats

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Calling for him to be removed may seem a bit childish, but it's not unheard of, and it's actually happened in the past when clubs have complained about a refs performance. Liverpool do it now and again and United under Ferguson did it all of the time. 

This wouldn't just be a knee jerk reaction either, we are talking about years worth of mistakes that has cost us points and trophies. Arsenal won 2 fa cup finals against us on the back of him getting calls badly wrong, the Sanchez clear handball that led to their goal and Kovacic getting sent off for having his own foot stood on. 

Then you have the Premier League game against Man United in 2020. Willian was booked for diving, when he was clearly caught by a trailing leg. Isn't it odd that a ref decides to book Willian in this situation when they haven't been booking players for diving for years now? In the same game, Maguire clearly kicks Batshuayi in the balls, everybody knew what he did, but no red card. A goal was ruled out in the same game after Azpilicueta was punished for pushing a Man United player in the lead up to the goal.......ignoring the part where Fred is the one that actually pushed Azpilicueta into the Man United player.

There was also the Tottenham game where he was made to look like an absolute clown for booking Alonso after Gazzaniga flew at him after missing the ball. VAR had to get involved and they didn't even tell him to look at the monitor because it was so obvious what happened. How can he be the only person that didn't see it?

Against Liverpool, he was awful throughout. Liverpool were playing tactical fouls all day, especially Fabinho, and not one of their players were booked. It's like the new rules on refs being more lenient gave Taylor an excuse to screw us over once more. Then you had Salah booting the ball away which should have been an automatic yellow, Taylor ignored that though but was more than happy to give Mendy a yellow for the same thing. He also ignored the many over the top complaints from Liverpool players every time a decision didn't go their way, but as soon as our players complained, he would book them.

The VAR incident was handled terribly. Whether you think it was a handball and red card or not, one thing we can surely agree on is how badly Taylor reviewed the situation. He didn't even look at the video, he looks at a still image from a distance and gives the penalty. It pretty much confirms that he had already made his mind up. Personally, I thought the penalty was fair enough, but if Taylor had actually looked at it properly without bias, he would have seen that the goal had already been denied with James blocking the shot with his leg, the part with his arm came milliseconds after James had already stopped the ball from going into the net with his leg. If Taylor had actually bothered to watch a video instead of just looking at a still image from a distance, he would have seen this and maybe he could have had a proper idea of what happened in that situation.

 

I won't sign the petition because it's stupid. Even if it was a serious petition, I still wouldnt sign it because they never work, but I do think the club should speak up about this. I think we have every right to voice our complaints about this and even be suspicious of Taylor's officiating. I have always hated that fans, pundits and the media laugh at others for questioning whether certain refs are legit or not. In a sport full of corruption and cheating, why is it so hard to believe that there may be a few bent refs in the game? Clattenburg admitted to it a few years back and Mark Halsey came out and said he was told to lie and say he didn't see certain incidents. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that there are dodgy refs in the game, and it shouldn't be laughed off as fans being bitter because a few decisions didn't go their way.

For me the point isn't whether he gets banned from our games or not. It's that he is put under the spotlight for his previous questionable decisions. One way or another if he does ref another game for us this season and let's face it he will. He will be under I suspect a bit more pressure to officiate it as fairly and I mean objectively as possible and that's all we are asking.

19 hours ago, Upsetter said:

Agreed. Calling for a ban/boycott is incredibly Scousish. Let’s just say that:

Anthony Taylor

does not like us

and the feeling Is mutual*

 

Make of this what what you will:

 

 

*Haiku of the day

This is really poor "statistical evidence". The information is presented in a way that is designed to mislead people to a prejudice, rather than inform.

• Without hypothesis testing and comparison to other referees, there is no way to show that the alleged difference is due to the influence of the referee or to mere chance.
• There's no evidence to say that average points per match is a useful metric, because the points expected from a given match vary due to a number of factors (timing, strength of opposition, injuries etc)
• According to the chart Taylor has refereed just 35 out of 204 games (17%) - hardly a definitive sample.
• The entire implication is that a referee is the single biggest influence on the average points won/lost per game - common sense tells us that's a dumb assumption.

You can't just throw numbers in a spreadsheet and go "look- STATS!".  That isn't evidence, it's speculation.

Moreover in the context of what fans are doing, it's bullying a person doing their job for the sake of us fans feeling better about a game. The above discourse just inflames people and feeds the worst sort of confirmation bias.

It's disgraceful behaviour to feed the weak-minded among us and frankly i'm thankful that Anthony Taylor isn't Black or else it would descend to even worse. 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

For me the point isn't whether he gets banned from our games or not. It's that he is put under the spotlight for his previous questionable decisions. One way or another if he does ref another game for us this season and let's face it he will. He will be under I suspect a bit more pressure to officiate it as fairly and I mean objectively as possible and that's all we are asking.

People make worse decisions under pressure, not better ones. So this whole campaign of yours might actually be counter-intuitive.

What is more likely, when someone is bullied for mistakes while doing their job, is that they end up with depression or attempting suicide.

Thing is I think it was incompetence more than bias. He was terrible for both of us. After the red card, any foul committed he let go. 

He could have booked several Liverpool players for rotational tactical fouling, dissent, kicking the ball out of play etc etc but didn't and he also allowed some of our fouls to be glossed over. 

It was more favorable for Liverpool but we had a little of the "luck" too

Edited August 31, 20214 yr by Deino

5 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

This is really poor "statistical evidence". The information is presented in a way that is designed to mislead people to a prejudice, rather than inform.

• Without hypothesis testing and comparison to other referees, there is no way to show that the alleged difference is due to the influence of the referee or to mere chance.
• There's no evidence to say that average points per match is a useful metric, because the points expected from a given match vary due to a number of factors (timing, strength of opposition, injuries etc)
• According to the chart Taylor has refereed just 35 out of 204 games (17%) - hardly a definitive sample.
• The entire implication is that a referee is the single biggest influence on the average points won/lost per game - common sense tells us that's a dumb assumption.

You can't just throw numbers in a spreadsheet and go "look- STATS!".  That isn't evidence, it's speculation.

Moreover in the context of what fans are doing, it's bullying a person doing their job for the sake of us fans feeling better about a game. The above discourse just inflames people and feeds the worst sort of confirmation bias.

It's disgraceful behaviour to feed the weak-minded among us and frankly i'm thankful that Anthony Taylor isn't Black or else it would descend to even worse. 

 

 

 

Re the table, like I said - make of it what you will. Found elsewhere, I thought it would make for interesting debate. So thank you for your input. 

Where I would take issue with you is with your final point: “I’m thankful that Anthony Taylor isn’t black”

The colour of Anthony Taylor’s skin is entirely irrelevant. And to suggest that “it would descend to even worse” if he were black is a huge slur on the members of this forum.

10 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

For me the point isn't whether he gets banned from our games or not. It's that he is put under the spotlight for his previous questionable decisions. One way or another if he does ref another game for us this season and let's face it he will. He will be under I suspect a bit more pressure to officiate it as fairly and I mean objectively as possible and that's all we are asking.

I don't think he cares about that at all, he probably thinks he's doing a great job. When someone is that much blatantly biased he's aware that he's not in any trouble for it.

Last season I knew that he was waiting for any possible way to give Kovacic the second yellow and he did it. Now he was really eager to send off James that he didn't even care to see the replay he knew what he was going to do already, that whole walk towards the monitor was just a mere formality for him regardless of the fact if it was a red or not, he was giving James the red card no matter what.

Either he's a good ref that should have this gig or not but he represents the authority so nothing will happen, it's like UEFA and FIFA when there is some very shady stuff going on they just protect their refs and say that it's a normality that "accidents" happen.

9 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

This is really poor "statistical evidence". The information is presented in a way that is designed to mislead people to a prejudice, rather than inform.

• Without hypothesis testing and comparison to other referees, there is no way to show that the alleged difference is due to the influence of the referee or to mere chance.
• There's no evidence to say that average points per match is a useful metric, because the points expected from a given match vary due to a number of factors (timing, strength of opposition, injuries etc)
• According to the chart Taylor has refereed just 35 out of 204 games (17%) - hardly a definitive sample.
• The entire implication is that a referee is the single biggest influence on the average points won/lost per game - common sense tells us that's a dumb assumption.

You can't just throw numbers in a spreadsheet and go "look- STATS!".  That isn't evidence, it's speculation.

Moreover in the context of what fans are doing, it's bullying a person doing their job for the sake of us fans feeling better about a game. The above discourse just inflames people and feeds the worst sort of confirmation bias.

It's disgraceful behaviour to feed the weak-minded among us and frankly i'm thankful that Anthony Taylor isn't Black or else it would descend to even worse. 

 

9 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

People make worse decisions under pressure, not better ones. So this whole campaign of yours might actually be counter-intuitive.

What is more likely, when someone is bullied for mistakes while doing their job, is that they end up with depression or attempting suicide.

 

Now you're just being sensible and rational 

12 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

People make worse decisions under pressure, not better ones. So this whole campaign of yours might actually be counter-intuitive.

What is more likely, when someone is bullied for mistakes while doing their job, is that they end up with depression or attempting suicide.

Seems a bit extreme to say he may attempt to kill himself. 

Also I'm not sure how you can call it my campaign I just simply made a joke of the situation and brought the petition to the forums attention I didn't even mention anything about signing it or encouraging people to do so.

Ultimately sending James off was the right decision. 

But he handled the situation poorly. 

He needed to show due care, attention and explain his decision to James and Azpi. He needed to actually look at the video. 

Running to the screen, glancing at it and then immediately showing James a red card was what is poor refereeing. 

14 hours ago, Upsetter said:

Re the table, like I said - make of it what you will. Found elsewhere, I thought it would make for interesting debate. So thank you for your input. 

Where I would take issue with you is with your final point: “I’m thankful that Anthony Taylor isn’t black”

The colour of Anthony Taylor’s skin is entirely irrelevant. And to suggest that “it would descend to even worse” if he were black is a huge slur on the members of this forum.

I'm not referring to members of this forum, who by and large are level-headed and decent people and obviously do not indulge racism. My posts on this matter have all referred to the broader furore on social media. However, I am referring to encouraging people from this forum participating in the above.

I believe that uncritically using misinformation to confirm one's beliefs is where one crosses the line between fair critique to abuse and from a 'campaign' to a witch-hunt. I think we all, regardless of our fervent feelings, need to take a step back and think critically before posting things that may inflame hysteria that leads to online abuse. 

Given recent experiences it is not a long straw to draw a conclusion that the social media response to this (and again - this "petition" and such are largely fuelled via Twitter, Reddit etc) would descend into racism were the target figure Black or such. Yes, Anthony Taylor is not Black and his race is not relevant, but the same pattern of escalation and culture of online abuse is at play here. We have the ability to decide not to contribute to that culture by encouraging it. 

People have rightly pointed out that Liverpool. Sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho etc have all engaged in this sort of behaviour before. So what? It was wrong then and remains wrong now. The idea of club institutions implicitly condoning this kind of behaviour is awful, and more so when the same figures/clubs apparently take a zero-tolerance stance to racism.

All i'm saying is that before we add fuel to a fire, we need to stop and think what we are contributing to.  The consequence of online abuse is a destroyed life. 

8 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Seems a bit extreme to say he may attempt to kill himself. 

Also I'm not sure how you can call it my campaign I just simply made a joke of the situation and brought the petition to the forums attention I didn't even mention anything about signing it or encouraging people to do so.

I'm a crisis counsellor in my day job, so, unfortunately no - it's not extreme at all. Don't just take my word for it - read here

Being a public figure does not make you magically immune to mental ill health or crisis.

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

I'm not referring to members of this forum, who by and large are level-headed and decent people and obviously do not indulge racism. My posts on this matter have all referred to the broader furore on social media. However, I am referring to encouraging people from this forum participating in the above.

I believe that uncritically using misinformation to confirm one's beliefs is where one crosses the line between fair critique to abuse and from a 'campaign' to a witch-hunt. I think we all, regardless of our fervent feelings, need to take a step back and think critically before posting things that may inflame hysteria that leads to online abuse. 

Given recent experiences it is not a long straw to draw a conclusion that the social media response to this (and again - this "petition" and such are largely fuelled via Twitter, Reddit etc) would descend into racism were the target figure Black or such. Yes, Anthony Taylor is not Black and his race is not relevant, but the same pattern of escalation and culture of online abuse is at play here. We have the ability to decide not to contribute to that culture by encouraging it. 

People have rightly pointed out that Liverpool. Sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho etc have all engaged in this sort of behaviour before. So what? It was wrong then and remains wrong now. The idea of club institutions implicitly condoning this kind of behaviour is awful, and more so when the same figures/clubs apparently take a zero-tolerance stance to racism.

All i'm saying is that before we add fuel to a fire, we need to stop and think what we are contributing to.  The consequence of online abuse is a destroyed life. 

And you’ve got all that from:

(a) referring to the calling for a ban/boycott [of Anthony Taylor as ‘Scouserish”, clearly implying that I am not in favour of the suggested petition.

(b) a not exactly strict-form hauku which you surely don’t think needs to be taken too seriously?

(c) a chart nicked from another Chelsea site, presented not as evidence of anything, but as a suggestion for discussion.

Methinks you need to lighten up a bit

2 hours ago, Upsetter said:

And you’ve got all that from:

(a) referring to the calling for a ban/boycott [of Anthony Taylor as ‘Scouserish”, clearly implying that I am not in favour of the suggested petition.

(b) a not exactly strict-form hauku which you surely don’t think needs to be taken too seriously?

(c) a chart nicked from another Chelsea site, presented not as evidence of anything, but as a suggestion for discussion.

Methinks you need to lighten up a bit

To clarify, i'm not responding to your post directly as much as pointing out where bad discourse leads to in general. I agree, it is more than a bit Scouserish! 

Here is a sample of what i'm talking about, from this thread:

On 30/08/2021 at 04:43, axman2526 said:

We don't make a big enough deal about this, and is seen as football fan tribalism and dismissed because it is Chelsea.

We need the people in the club to point it out. Players, manager, board. Heck given Roman does interviews now a few words from him could do wonders.

 

On 30/08/2021 at 07:57, Munkworth said:

I’m a bit pissed of the Supporters Trust hasn’t bothered to highlight it. We need Mikel to get him taken off Chelsea duty a la Clattenburg. 

 

On 30/08/2021 at 10:04, axman2526 said:

We have someone who is involved with the supporters trust I believe. That right @Boyne ? Able to bring this up there?

 

On 30/08/2021 at 19:14, charierre said:

No harm in putting out about a number of poor decisions and let the mud stick. Petitions though about him are pointless and it would be better to direct any petition to the Premier League or PGMOL to have the officials give a press conference at the end of every match to explain their decisions. 

 

Again to be clear, all the above are great people and our opinions are as mild as dish soap here.

However, if bad discourse can ruffle the feathers of decent people, what do you think encouraging it does to the cesspool of social media?

22 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

This is really poor "statistical evidence". The information is presented in a way that is designed to mislead people to a prejudice, rather than inform.

• Without hypothesis testing and comparison to other referees, there is no way to show that the alleged difference is due to the influence of the referee or to mere chance.
• There's no evidence to say that average points per match is a useful metric, because the points expected from a given match vary due to a number of factors (timing, strength of opposition, injuries etc)
• According to the chart Taylor has refereed just 35 out of 204 games (17%) - hardly a definitive sample.
• The entire implication is that a referee is the single biggest influence on the average points won/lost per game - common sense tells us that's a dumb assumption.

You can't just throw numbers in a spreadsheet and go "look- STATS!".  That isn't evidence, it's speculation.

Moreover in the context of what fans are doing, it's bullying a person doing their job for the sake of us fans feeling better about a game. The above discourse just inflames people and feeds the worst sort of confirmation bias.

It's disgraceful behaviour to feed the weak-minded among us and frankly i'm thankful that Anthony Taylor isn't Black or else it would descend to even worse. 

 

 

 

I don't even know where to start. So much outrage and condescension. There was no statistical inference presented there, just data. And the poster clearly asks us (the audience) to make of this what we will.

35 out of 355 games (not 204) is a pretty good sample for a comparison, but this smallish sample will mean that the uncertainty (confidence intervals) in any estimate will be large.

But I do agree with you that the data doesn't present any evidence that there is a bias against Chelsea and that mean PPG is a flawed metric. There is no significant difference between the probabilities of Chelsea winning, drawing or losing with and without Anthony Taylor. In fact, there's no evidence that there's any agenda against Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea. However, there is evidence that United are more likely to win and less likely to draw than average with AT refereeing. So maybe the general feeling that he's favoured United has some substance? 🙂 (The CIs are 95% binomial confidence intervals that account for sample size, hence the low precision)

Of course, there may be other reasons here including a possible bias in the difficulty of United games he's refereed.

 

And finally, it's ridiculous to bring up the hypothetical of "what if he was black" over here. If you really care so much, maybe you need to ask why no PL ref is non-white when so many English footballers are non-white (mostly black) and over 10% of the population is not white. Maybe if they bring in some representation of younger people from different ethnicities, the general competence levels of PL refereeing will increase (and there is evidence of this in many fields). And incompetent idiots like AT will be shown the door.

While such posts "feed the weak-minded", PL refereeing needs a complete overhaul to bring in more competence, representation and accountability. So maybe some anger is justified.

@SydneyChelsea here’s another haiku for you:

 

In shark-ridden seas

do not waste time worrying

about piranhas

Think the sending off was right to be fair, but he is somebody we have a long history with, there is always some wrong calls when he is involved and ideally it would be for him to not officiate our matches ever again. But at the same time this would mean for the FA to basically admit we are right and this will never happen unfortunately.

6 hours ago, ashwin said:

 

 

 

 

 

And finally, it's ridiculous to bring up the hypothetical of "what if he was black" over here. If you really care so much, maybe you need to ask why no PL ref is non-white when so many English footballers are non-white (mostly black) and over 10% of the population is not white. Maybe if they bring in some representation of younger people from different ethnicities, the general competence levels of PL refereeing will increase (and there is evidence of this in many fields). And incompetent idiots like AT will be shown the door.

While such posts "feed the weak-minded", PL refereeing needs a complete overhaul to bring in more competence, representation and accountability. So maybe some anger is justified.

Refereeing used to be a vocation that many did for little reward alongside their own professions. The referees of today are quite handsomely paid towards their latter day counterparts. It should be remembered of course that many started their qualifications at the age of 14, gaining experience through the Sunday Leagues ( which are brutal to referee), various county leagues before they even get onto the very lower tiers of semi pro leagues... this takes a lot of dedication. Finally achieving their goal of the top leagues( if they are considered good enough) after maybe 20 years. That is quite an apprenticeship. As for why there isn't more diverse ethnicity within the top leagues probably has a very simple answer, not enough aspire to being a referee in their teenage years, the more academic students seeing their futures along established routes and careers with rewards obtained sooner. There is big shortage of people who are being trained for the position at grassroots level from all sectors, so anybody who feels they want to enter the profession the route is open. That said the rewards at the start are very scant, lots of learning in the classroom, safeguarding etc before they even step foot on a  muddy pitch with little or no facilities and a crowd that will give you 'pelters' from the touchline. I can honestly say I wouldn't fancy it, how about yourself?

On 30/08/2021 at 12:29, Scott Harris said:

Calling for him to be removed may seem a bit childish, but it's not unheard of, and it's actually happened in the past when clubs have complained about a refs performance. Liverpool do it now and again and United under Ferguson did it all of the time. 

This wouldn't just be a knee jerk reaction either, we are talking about years worth of mistakes that has cost us points and trophies. Arsenal won 2 fa cup finals against us on the back of him getting calls badly wrong, the Sanchez clear handball that led to their goal and Kovacic getting sent off for having his own foot stood on. 

Then you have the Premier League game against Man United in 2020. Willian was booked for diving, when he was clearly caught by a trailing leg. Isn't it odd that a ref decides to book Willian in this situation when they haven't been booking players for diving for years now? In the same game, Maguire clearly kicks Batshuayi in the balls, everybody knew what he did, but no red card. A goal was ruled out in the same game after Azpilicueta was punished for pushing a Man United player in the lead up to the goal.......ignoring the part where Fred is the one that actually pushed Azpilicueta into the Man United player.

There was also the Tottenham game where he was made to look like an absolute clown for booking Alonso after Gazzaniga flew at him after missing the ball. VAR had to get involved and they didn't even tell him to look at the monitor because it was so obvious what happened. How can he be the only person that didn't see it?

Against Liverpool, he was awful throughout. Liverpool were playing tactical fouls all day, especially Fabinho, and not one of their players were booked. It's like the new rules on refs being more lenient gave Taylor an excuse to screw us over once more. Then you had Salah booting the ball away which should have been an automatic yellow, Taylor ignored that though but was more than happy to give Mendy a yellow for the same thing. He also ignored the many over the top complaints from Liverpool players every time a decision didn't go their way, but as soon as our players complained, he would book them.

The VAR incident was handled terribly. Whether you think it was a handball and red card or not, one thing we can surely agree on is how badly Taylor reviewed the situation. He didn't even look at the video, he looks at a still image from a distance and gives the penalty. It pretty much confirms that he had already made his mind up. Personally, I thought the penalty was fair enough, but if Taylor had actually looked at it properly without bias, he would have seen that the goal had already been denied with James blocking the shot with his leg, the part with his arm came milliseconds after James had already stopped the ball from going into the net with his leg. If Taylor had actually bothered to watch a video instead of just looking at a still image from a distance, he would have seen this and maybe he could have had a proper idea of what happened in that situation.

 

I won't sign the petition because it's stupid. Even if it was a serious petition, I still wouldnt sign it because they never work, but I do think the club should speak up about this. I think we have every right to voice our complaints about this and even be suspicious of Taylor's officiating. I have always hated that fans, pundits and the media laugh at others for questioning whether certain refs are legit or not. In a sport full of corruption and cheating, why is it so hard to believe that there may be a few bent refs in the game? Clattenburg admitted to it a few years back and Mark Halsey came out and said he was told to lie and say he didn't see certain incidents. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that there are dodgy refs in the game, and it shouldn't be laughed off as fans being bitter because a few decisions didn't go their way.

You were kind enough to even leave out the time he booked Fabregas for diving (v Southampton) in such terrible fashion that Anthony himself rung up Mourinho to apologize.

 

even the last match, though not as extreme in the examples, the pattern is clear......Salah yelling at him, and boots the ball away after....nothing....... Matip could easily have been off with two yellows, did he even get one? (taking down both Havertz and Mount very cynically when they were breaking dangerously)......where was that patience with Chelsea players?

13 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

To clarify, i'm not responding to your post directly as much as pointing out where bad discourse leads to in general. I agree, it is more than a bit Scouserish! 

Here is a sample of what i'm talking about, from this thread:

 

 

 

 

Again to be clear, all the above are great people and our opinions are as mild as dish soap here.

However, if bad discourse can ruffle the feathers of decent people, what do you think encouraging it does to the cesspool of social media?

Ah you quoted me twice. Lol

I still believe he geninually against us.

The whole rules changing every year can be a bit confusing.

As the rules stand I believe that it shouldn’t have been a penalty. The ball deflected off his thigh to his arm and away. A swipe of his arm was post contact and did not affect the ball. 
My own views are the ball was goalbound only it hit the arm and a pen or goal should be awarded.

My big problem with Taylor was that he did not award a pen, was this because he saw nothing wrong. He was then advised by the VAR team to look at the incident and he had a quick look at a still and awarded penalty and a red card.

Maybe I missed something and he did award pen or the rules have changed a bit like off side, don’t make a decision and let VAR sort it.

Also I don’t care what anyone says and wether it was conscious or unconscious leniency but ther was leniency shown towards Liverpool players especially Salah kicking the ball away. That one is as nailed on as taking your shirt of in a goal celebration. It’s a booking, full stop.

6 minutes ago, goose said:

The whole rules changing every year can be a bit confusing.

As the rules stand I believe that it shouldn’t have been a penalty. The ball deflected off his thigh to his arm and away. A swipe of his arm was post contact and did not affect the ball. 
My own views are the ball was goalbound only it hit the arm and a pen or goal should be awarded.

My big problem with Taylor was that he did not award a pen, was this because he saw nothing wrong. He was then advised by the VAR team to look at the incident and he had a quick look at a still and awarded penalty and a red card.

Maybe I missed something and he did award pen or the rules have changed a bit like off side, don’t make a decision and let VAR sort it.

Also I don’t care what anyone says and wether it was conscious or unconscious leniency but ther was leniency shown towards Liverpool players especially Salah kicking the ball away. That one is as nailed on as taking your shirt of in a goal celebration. It’s a booking, full stop.

I think Matip also booted the ball away earlier in the game.  Salah and Henderson (pr*ck) were screaming in his face several times, but somehow avoided any discipline.  I think both Rudiger and Mendy got yellows after the penalty skirmish.  And today I see that the FA are charging Chelsea for failing to control our players.

4 minutes ago, mad_mac said:

I think Matip also booted the ball away earlier in the game.  Salah and Henderson (pr*ck) were screaming in his face several times, but somehow avoided any discipline.  I think both Rudiger and Mendy got yellows after the penalty skirmish.  And today I see that the FA are charging Chelsea for failing to control our players.

Wtf? 

12 minutes ago, Deino said:

Wtf? 

https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/sep/01/chelsea-fc-charged-010921