2 hours ago, Blue2 said:

Really, not in the slightest?

For his age he is pretty experienced, he has played almost 5000 minutes of top league football in his last 2 years on loan, plus almost 2500 minutes for Wales in 35 appearances.

He has really good versatility, seems like he can play nearly any defensive position and has a solid overall skillset. According to whoscored discipline and concentration are his weaknesses, which are both attributes that can be improved as he gains more experience. Eventhough I agree that he has not really shown to be a top player on his loans, this should not be used against him based on the fact that both loans were at clubs who were relegation candidates before he even went there.

I think with his versatility we could use him as an utility player like Ruben last season, if Tuchel should decide to put him in the squad for the season.

If he wasn't already our player, no Chelsea fan would be asking the club to sign him. Out of all of our young players on loan, he is one of the ones I rate the lowest. I would also rather we didn't fill up the squad with average players that will offer no competition to the first 11. It's one of the reasons why we have fallen behind. We pick up so many injuries these days and the players coming in aren't good enough to keep us challenging.

 

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Also @Scott Harris....

 

No, just players that aren't good enough for where we want to be. What are our expectations? Do we want to challenge City and Liverpool, top 4 or top 6? If the board wants to keep adding rubbish to the squad, then I will continue to call it out. 

15 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

No, just players that aren't good enough for where we want to be. What are our expectations? Do we want to challenge City and Liverpool, top 4 or top 6? If the board wants to keep adding rubbish to the squad, then I will continue to call it out. 

Ah Scott Scott Scott, we all share the frustrations of the accumulation of rubbish and wastefulness over the years, but still...

Need a defender or 2 that at least a bit over 6ft. I can't see how we going to defend set pieces with the type of defenders we have.

4 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Need a defender or 2 that at least a bit over 6ft. I can't see how we going to defend set pieces with the type of defenders we have.

Main reason I’d want de Ligt over Kounde 

Assuming Apzi and Alonso go, we’re going to need a couple of other defenders even with Ake and one of De Ligt/Kounde surely?

42 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Assuming Apzi and Alonso go, we’re going to need a couple of other defenders even with Ake and one of De Ligt/Kounde surely?

I think TT has Emerson in mind for the Chilwell back up, so that would just be an Azpi replacement needed, unless the plan is to put a square peg in a round hole at wing back (CHO, Pulisic etc). Emerson is a very lucky boy for sure ... I'd move heaven and earth to sell him to Sarri personally ... 

10 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

If he wasn't already our player, no Chelsea fan would be asking the club to sign him. Out of all of our young players on loan, he is one of the ones I rate the lowest. I would also rather we didn't fill up the squad with average players that will offer no competition to the first 11. It's one of the reasons why we have fallen behind. We pick up so many injuries these days and the players coming in aren't good enough to keep us challenging.

 

No, just players that aren't good enough for where we want to be. What are our expectations? Do we want to challenge City and Liverpool, top 4 or top 6? If the board wants to keep adding rubbish to the squad, then I will continue to call it out. 

I don't think our problem is the like of Ampadu. It is this

That is just crazy miss rate. 

The only one that I can say is pretty spot on is Chilwell and maybe kova (for 40 m). 

Kai is very good but not a 80m player, Jorgi has been our starting dm for years, but he is more like a 25 m player than a 50 m. Heck, Lamp benched him in his 2nd season. 

The rest are just a mess

 

 

Edited July 10, 20224 yr by Bob stark

20 hours ago, Valerie said:

I can't take a site that lists a player's zodiac sign seriously 

hey he has the same birthday as me, he is classsss

Damning list but I‘d say that Kova, Ben and Jorgi were definitely good signings. As for Havertz, get your point but I‘d say he was unlucky (covid, no clear idea how to use him while being quite young&new to the PL, bringing in Lukaku the minute he made his breakthrough CL finale). I‘d argue if you would want to sell him you would get almost the same amount back that you‘ve invested. But 4/10 being good top dollar signings isn‘t good enough eirher.

4 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I think TT has Emerson in mind for the Chilwell back up

If that's the case then unlike last season I will have no sympathy for Tuchel if Chilwell gets injured/takes time to get back up to speed and it derails our season.

I'm trying to convince myself if he's not keen on Maatsen that he'll think outside the box with something like Gallagher in a Milner/Zinchenko role or even just keep Marcos, anything.

7 minutes ago, Argo said:

If that's the case then unlike last season I will have no sympathy for Tuchel if Chilwell gets injured/takes time to get back up to speed and it derails our season.

I'm trying to convince myself if he's not keen on Maatsen that he'll think outside the box with something like Gallagher in a Milner/Zinchenko role or even just keep Marcos, anything.

He'll quickly have Ake at LB before Emerson. 

I for one refuse to believe Tuchel suddenly rates Emerson when he hardly ever played him in the 2nd half of the 2021 season.

Agreed, that's what Ake gives us and what would eventually also mean some serious possibility for Colwill to get some minutes. But I also think that Emerson is still a decent emergency option. Just no long term back-up for a whole season, just like Alonso (and Sarr) weren't as well - despite Alonso's attacking output.

Edited July 10, 20224 yr by weetee

3 hours ago, weetee said:

Damning list but I‘d say that Kova, Ben and Jorgi were definitely good signings. As for Havertz, get your point but I‘d say he was unlucky (covid, no clear idea how to use him while being quite young&new to the PL, bringing in Lukaku the minute he made his breakthrough CL finale). I‘d argue if you would want to sell him you would get almost the same amount back that you‘ve invested. But 4/10 being good top dollar signings isn‘t good enough eirher.

My point is this when you sign player at this price, you need to get a nailed down starter. If you keep getting average player or worse bad player then it is very difficult to build a good team, 

We signed Chil for 50, our lb spot is pretty much done. 👍👍

We signed Jorgi for 50 and 2 years later we tried to get rice. 😱😱

It is the same thing with kepa. 70 m and 2 years later we signed mendy

 

 

 

Edited July 10, 20224 yr by Bob stark

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

My point is this when you sign player at this price, you need to get a nailed down starter. If you keep getting average player or worse bad player then it is very difficult to build a good team, 

We signed Chil for 50, our lb spot is pretty much done. 👍👍

We signed Jorgi for 50 and 2 years later we tried to get rice. 😱😱

 

 

 

 

Tbh as much as Chilwell's been a pleasant surprise (I thought he would be a Maguire esque waste of money when we signed him) I still wouldn't say he's an absolute lock if a bonafide world class fullback becomes available.

I see it similar to when we had Wayne Bridge and he was perfectly fine but then Cole became avaliable.

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

Tbh as much as Chilwell's been a pleasant surprise (I thought he would be a Maguire esque waste of money when we signed him) I still wouldn't say he's an absolute lock if a bonafide world class fullback becomes available.

I see it similar to when we had Wayne Bridge and he was perfectly fine but then Cole became avaliable.

What ? Chilwell was by far the easiest player to predict how he will slot with out team.

Chilwell was a nailed down starter, now of course I am not sure because of his nasty injury. 

 

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

Tbh as much as Chilwell's been a pleasant surprise (I thought he would be a Maguire esque waste of money when we signed him) I still wouldn't say he's an absolute lock if a bonafide world class fullback becomes available.

I see it similar to when we had Wayne Bridge and he was perfectly fine but then Cole became avaliable.

This is one instance where I want you to be wrong. I think Chilwell's the Ashley Cole equivalent. The injury was unfortunate and I hope he recovers well and maintains the same pace. 

The very few better LB than him in world football currently is Kyle Walker, Alphonso Davies, David Alaba and Hakimi. Everyone else is either a step down or a step sideways. 

1 minute ago, Deino said:

This is one instance where I want you to be wrong. I think Chilwell's the Ashley Cole equivalent. The injury was unfortunate and I hope he recovers well and maintains the same pace. 

The very few better LB than him in world football currently is Kyle Walker, Alphonso Davies, David Alaba and Hakimi. Everyone else is either a step down or a step sideways. 

Kyle Walker is a left back now is he ?

10 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

My point is this when you sign player at this price, you need to get a nailed down starter. If you keep getting average player or worse bad player then it is very difficult to build a good team, 

We signed Chil for 50, our lb spot is pretty much done. 👍👍

We signed Jorgi for 50 and 2 years later we tried to get rice. 😱😱

It is the same thing with kepa. 70 m and 2 years later we signed mendy

 

 

 

The guy still played 125 games for you, most as a starter and most over 90 mins. And if he stays there will be more to come as well. And if you'd sell him right now you would still get a very decent fee for him. Hardly a failure if you ask me. It's mainly Kepa, Lukaku, Morata and Torres making this a horrendous list to read. And I'd say quite some of them were to quite an extent vanity signings because you could (add Sheva to that as well).

Chelsea changing managers rather quickly and each with very different approaches / philosophies to the game hence needing different player profiles in the process isn't down on Jorginho.

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

What ? Chilwell was by far the easiest player to predict how he will slot with out team.

Chilwell was a nailed down starter, now of course I am not sure because of his nasty injury. 

 

I felt at Leicester he had a comically bad bottom level and was not aggressive enough with his attacking play (an opinion that was backed up when I viewed his thread on a Leicester forum).

I haven't seen much if any of said bottom level here but the passive forward play was starting to creep in after his great start but since TT changed the way he uses the fullbacks/wingbacks he went up another level again.

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

Kyle Walker is a left back now is he ?

He's not but I think he's that good of a fullback that I believe he can play both sides and still be great at it

2 hours ago, Deino said:

This is one instance where I want you to be wrong. I think Chilwell's the Ashley Cole equivalent. The injury was unfortunate and I hope he recovers well and maintains the same pace. 

The very few better LB than him in world football currently is Kyle Walker, Alphonso Davies, David Alaba and Hakimi. Everyone else is either a step down or a step sideways. 

Half of the players you mentioned are right backs....

But i agree with the post you replied to, Chilwell is incredibly overated.  He's nothing special and wasn't even before his injury.

He's solid, decent and certainly not an issue.

But he's not an Ashley Cole level player and never will be and I don't see him as having the position locked down for the next decade like Reece James does.

Ake over Kounde? Not sure, Haven't seen much of Ake since he left and he was young but never really hit the heights many thought he could be destined for but if he ticks all the boxes then on paper it makes sense, Esp as matey boy at Sevilla just had knee surgery which on the face of it looked a bit dodgy tbh

Chelsea's pursuit of Nathan Ake could pave the way for Manchester City to enter the race for Jules Kounde (Mundo Deportivo) #CFC #MCFC #SevillaFC
 

If we help City by Kounde while we end up with Ake, we’ll be a laughing stock. City were after him before. We’re basically helping them upgrade their defence massively 

6 hours ago, Argo said:

Tbh as much as Chilwell's been a pleasant surprise (I thought he would be a Maguire esque waste of money when we signed him) I still wouldn't say he's an absolute lock if a bonafide world class fullback becomes available.

I see it similar to when we had Wayne Bridge and he was perfectly fine but then Cole became avaliable.

I like Chilwell, but he will regularly be injured I reckon. So there definitely has to be a back up. I did like the look of Calvin Bassey from Rangers last season to act as a number 2 for the position 

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea's pursuit of Nathan Ake could pave the way for Manchester City to enter the race for Jules Kounde (Mundo Deportivo) #CFC #MCFC #SevillaFC
 

If we help City by Kounde while we end up with Ake, we’ll be a laughing stock. City were after him before. We’re basically helping them upgrade their defence massively 

We are taking Citys fringe players and they will replace them with younger better players. Sterling was still a good buy, but they will use the ake money to buy a much better defender whilst getting rid of one they didnt even want for a huge sum. If we thought the gap was big as it was, its only going to get bigger.