5 minutes ago, chelseablueboy said:

I'm actually quite excited about GP changing our turgid sideways and backwards passing.

When he takes the lads at Cobham.. is it Potty training ?..

OK I'll close the door 🤪

Todd Boehlys Potty Time !

37 minutes ago, coco said:

1 month of his salary would set me up nicely for retirement.

I presume the salary is high because he is taking on so much work not just the coaching.

 

Oh sure, one month would do quite nicely for myself, but Potter is younger and may have kids to raise. So I'm prepared to give him a little more 

Edited September 9, 20223 yr by Valerie

12 hours ago, coco said:

And we saw Tuchel waving them forward from the touchline and kicking off when they go backwards, we'll soon see if it was the players or the tactics.

This isnt a good defence of Tuchel, you realise that right? Literally his job is to get his players playing to his tactics, if he doesnt do that then he has massively failed.

Just now, dkw said:

This isnt a good defence of Tuchel, you realise that right? Literally his job is to get his players playing to his tactics, if he doesnt do that then he has massively failed.

Same as what happened to Lampard at the end then, but you backed him to stay.

Next season line up will be under Potter:

                      Kepa 

        Fofana.     Koulibali.     Cucurella

James.        Kante/Alvarez                     Chillwel

            Havert       Mount/kovacevic

 

lukaku(like to go right).  Sterling(like togo left)

 

We will score a lot of goals.

lukaku like to go the first  goalposts sterling second and havert can be the passer or come in behind with mount to score. Kante stay back or alvarez for cover.

Cucu can do a decent pass from the back with koulibali ,chillwell can help the attacker james can run the wings.

Lukaku likes to run his mouth, that's the only guarantee.

4 minutes ago, coco said:

Same as what happened to Lampard at the end then, but you backed him to stay.

You're fighting a losing battle here Coco.

If Potter is unable to get a decent tune out of Gallagher, Broja, Pulisic, Ziyech etc, it will still be Tuchel's fault LOL

2 minutes ago, Gcgoal2012 said:

 

lukaku like to go the first  goalposts sterling second and havert can be the passer or come in behind with mount to score. Kante stay back or alvarez for cover.

Lukaku likes to run his mouth, that's the only guarantee.

6 minutes ago, coco said:

Same as what happened to Lampard at the end then, but you backed him to stay.

I was happy for him to get a chance during the period of struggle with Lampard, simply because we had a reasonable showing of a long term plan and strategy to integrate young players into the squad, and felt Lampard would be given more chances due to his connections to the club, I was hopeful we would finally settle as a club, I could see a way forward and a way out, it was nothing to do with it being a club legend for me, it was all about a hope we were going to change the direction of the club and Roman would allow that. I've said many times I wasn't disappointed he got sacked because he was Frank Lampard, I was disappointed he got sacked because of the hope that died.

Under Tuchel there were no indications whatsoever he had any idea what to do, he admitted himself several times, we were progressively getting worse in every single way, he was putting players in positions to fail and had sucked every inch of enjoyment out of everything to do with watching us, it was tedious nonsense designed not to lose rather than to win.

 

But hey, if anyone is simple enough to think I "hated" Tuchel because he followed Lampard in then thats on them. Ive said I had zero resentment towards him when he came and hoped he would win everything available and prove to be the best manager we had ever had. I went of him as time went on due to his handling of young English players, his tactics which never progressed from just defending to nick a win, his tactics designed to shield certain players form their weakness`s rather than build on the strengths of others, his complete inability to get any semblance of attacking style. 

9 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

You're fighting a losing battle here Coco.

If Potter is unable to get a decent tune out of Gallagher, Broja, Pulisic, Ziyech etc, it will still be Tuchel's fault LOL

Garbage.

21 minutes ago, dkw said:

But hey, if anyone is simple enough to think I "hated" Tuchel because he followed Lampard in then thats on them. Ive said I had zero resentment towards him when he came and hoped he would win everything available and prove to be the best manager we had ever had. I went of him as time went on due to his handling of young English players, 

This was your post after ONE game of Tuchel in charge, he'd been at the club for 48 hours at this point.

 

 

 

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/34625-official-thomas-tuchel-now-sacked/?do=findComment&comment=1663306

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/34625-official-thomas-tuchel-now-sacked/?do=findComment&comment=1663325

11 minutes ago, coco said:

This was your post after ONE game of Tuchel in charge, he'd been at the club for 48 hours at this point.

 

 

 

I`m not sure what your point is, that pretty much entirely backs up what I posted earlier, its completely consistent.

Edited September 9, 20223 yr by dkw

7 minutes ago, coco said:

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/34625-official-thomas-tuchel-now-sacked/?do=findComment&comment=1663306

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/34625-official-thomas-tuchel-now-sacked/?do=findComment&comment=1663325

Again, not sure what your point is as they are just daft jokes based on us sacking managers very quickly. 

Look if your just going to now spend ages hunting for some kinda "gotcha" post of mine dont bother, its a tedious waste of your time and mine.

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

I`m not sure what your point is, that pretty much entirely backs up what I poted earlier.

Don't be daft you can read, you said " I went of him as time went on due to his handling of young English players"

You "went off him" after 48 hours.😅

 

3 minutes ago, dkw said:

Again, not sure what your point is as they are just daft jokes based on us sacking managers very quickly. 

Look if your just going to now spend ages hunting for some kinda "gotcha" post of mine dont bother, its a tedious waste of your time and mine.

It took me 30 seconds, i can afford to give you that much time. 😝

To be fair Coco there's nothing there in @dkw post that you've tagged there which suggests he hated Tuchel from day one. If I remember rightly that performance against Wolves was genuinely dreadful and rightfully got a bit of criticism. Not just from DKW but most other posters too. 

What will be interesting for me 12-18 months down the line is if the same people that were so keen for Tuchel to go, will have the same feelings if Potter has us struggling, or will he deserve more time? Despite not having the credit in the bank that we thought Tuchel had. 

Personally, I do hope he gets time and this is the start of something new and long term at this club. But I had the same hopes that DKW was expressing in that post about Lampard, and I had the same hopes for Tuchel. I hope this time it's different, but we've had the same hopes so many times in the past. The only difference now of course being the owners. 

Pretty points playing he said she said guys. I am more interested in looking foraward and the only reason to look at Tuchel now is to understand why things went wrong, and to be honest I don't understand that. 

Yes we played a slow build up but that isn't that unusual, when tuchel arrived the defence was hopeless after he arrived we had a great period, then we didn't. Was it something in the water?

Even more surprising is that Boehly went ahead and bought all the players for the style and then sacked him. Its weird.

But anyway that stuff belongs in the Tuchel thread this is the Potter thread.

What interests me is how Potter is going to make the midfield work better and what he is going to do against a low block. 

One of the troubles with lower team coaches coming to the big clubs is that usual clubs like Brighton are playing with their own low block and trying to score at the end of the game or when the big club over reaches. 

All of Potter's experience is with "bad" teams doing better than expected. Its a completely different coaching scenario when you are expected to win every game in every competition and where the thing is do something useful with all the possession you have.

That's the step Potter has to take and that's why its a risk. If you look at Manu at lesast Ten Haag had won the Eredvisie. Ferguson had won in Scotland (i think), Wenger in France. Mourinho in Portugal.

I'll be interested to see how it goes

First off 5 years and £12m a year is a big message to send out. It tells us many things, the direction we're going, the faith in Potter and his methods, a change in mentality at this football club.

Whilst I don't agree with the figure, fair play to the man for negotiating such a large fee. Despite the immediate reaction from some regarding Boehly I actually think there's a lot more to this appointment than simply replacing Tuchel with the next best thing available. With all their data analysis, long-term planning amongst other factors, I think their vision for the club centres around youth, an entertaining brand of football and self sustainability. 

As much as we love TT a lot of the things he said and did were in contradiction. I don't think Potter is here just to be a yes man and do whatever Boehly wants. This is a partnership with input from all parties and sadly I don't think they could have that with TT.

I think everything about Boehly's operation has been deeply thought out. The spirit of Roman lives on but in a different way. I honestly believe if Potter doesn't work out he will not persist with him. I think when necessary, Todd has enough business suave to be ruthless when needed. 

 I believe they will continue to have regular reviews just like Tuchel had his 100 day assesment, I don't think this was because they were new and this wasn't there man. This seems to be their procedure for maintaining a successful business. If you look at the man's track record he knows how to run a sports enterprise, yes football clubs are different but rather than criticise every big decision he makes let's wait and see. 

Whilst I don't think the situation is completely comparable if you look at the effect Eddie Howe has had since taking over Newcastle and the trajectory we continued to be on with Thomas, I have to accept that for them this was the most sensible decision when taking into consideration all factors. Something we as fans still don't have all the details on, we are left to speculate. Tifo and a few trusted media sources have given us some information, but there will be more to this decision. 

I'll back Potter and Boehly until they give me a reason not to, the only aspect now I have trouble with after coming to accept Tuchel's sacking is the amount he will make annually without any real accolades to warrant such a large salary. He will now be under pressure to not only justify the salary but also the decision to replace one of our most successful managers despite his relative short tenure. 

Best of luck Potter 

Edit: One thing going for GP is how attractive his football has been for at least 2 seasons now, he's clearly a good coach whether these methods can translate over to "superstars" remains to be seen.

Edited September 9, 20223 yr by LongtimerLurker

12 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

To be fair Coco there's nothing there in @dkw post that you've tagged there which suggests he hated Tuchel from day one. If I remember rightly that performance against Wolves was genuinely dreadful and rightfully got a bit of criticism. Not just from DKW but most other posters too. 

What will be interesting for me 12-18 months down the line is if the same people that were so keen for Tuchel to go, will have the same feelings if Potter has us struggling, or will he deserve more time? Despite not having the credit in the bank that we thought Tuchel had. 

Personally, I do hope he gets time and this is the start of something new and long term at this club. But I had the same hopes that DKW was expressing in that post about Lampard, and I had the same hopes for Tuchel. I hope this time it's different, but we've had the same hopes so many times in the past. The only difference now of course being the owners. 

 

Certainly a risk to appoint a relatively inexperienced manager (at the highest level) but will be interesting to see how it goes if this is to be for the long haul as suggested. Wish him luck certainly the performances have been below par for a while, lets hope that changes.

@dkw vs @coco : battle of the forum mainstay 

As a Brighton supporter I am amazed how you all are happy with this appointment. Good luck and hope it works out but you are taking a mighty big chance. So surprised a club like Chelsea have not gone for someone who has experience right at top of game. Potter has done well for us a side that thinks its a great achievement to finish half way. I think we won 3 of last 4 and finished 9th.  Our football is good to watch but not in last third. Only 3 sides last year scored less.  Great coach at Brighton  but different now you expect to win every game.   Just have a feeling at your level you now have a yes man that will not say boo to owner.  Very little emotion watching games and will never question a referee decision.  

Know nothing about previous manager but at least won things which is a must for Chelsea   Sure he had too much to say to owner

1 hour ago, drjonesy1994 said:

To be fair Coco there's nothing there in @dkw post that you've tagged there which suggests he hated Tuchel from day one. If I remember rightly that performance against Wolves was genuinely dreadful and rightfully got a bit of criticism. Not just from DKW but most other posters too. 

What will be interesting for me 12-18 months down the line is if the same people that were so keen for Tuchel to go, will have the same feelings if Potter has us struggling, or will he deserve more time? Despite not having the credit in the bank that we thought Tuchel had. 

Personally, I do hope he gets time and this is the start of something new and long term at this club. But I had the same hopes that DKW was expressing in that post about Lampard, and I had the same hopes for Tuchel. I hope this time it's different, but we've had the same hopes so many times in the past. The only difference now of course being the owners. 

If in January 2024 we've seen 6 months of going backwards, yes I'll be pretty down on Potter. 

This give the manager time element has a caveat that all the managers that were given time, didn't have a solid 6-9 months of the team going backwards. Arteta had a bad start to the season last year, but they had just won the FA Cup and were improving through the rest of the season. 

But even then, 95% of Chelsea fans, including myself, were still ready to give Tuchel at least another 2 months to sort it out. Boehly just saw it differently as he had more context.