These excuses are actually getting ridiculous now, so just to clarify it's not possible to split your players into smaller groups? Be a man and stick to your principles, you've already frozen PEA out. Surely you just run your sessions the way you want to.

Whatever he is doing at the moment......it isn't working and if his excuse is he's not even doing it the way he wants that just shows Potter isn't the right man for the job. 

You are paid to choose how the training sessions are run, that is your job. Show some conviction and stick to your principles. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

If Boehly feels Potter is the man, he is the man and he should be backed by everyone. 

Nah we're alright mate 

5 hours ago, Argo said:

How good or bad Potter is doing is totally irrelevant to the fact that Arteta playing great/progressive football with all these youth players from day one was a total urban myth. He was being compared to Pulis by some section of Arsenal fans because the football was so bad.

I honestly don't care about Arteta. But Potter is trying to ram him down our throat by excusing losses with "look at Arteta" week in week out. Yesterday he even brought up the All Or Nothing series.

It's straight up disrespectful to fans and no wonder everyone hates him. He would be better of saying "Look at Hodgson, Moyes, Lampard, Gerrard, Nuno, Villas Boas, Remi Garde, Scolari, they didn't work out and i'm worse than every single one of those managers" so i'll take some responsebility and step the feck down instead of dragging the recent Champions of Europe down into a relegation battle.

1 hour ago, enigma said:

Context is important. Injuries to key players, no preseason, upheaval of the club with new ownership, tough fixtures during difficult moments in the cups. Look at Utd, they've had the ideal scenario with Ten Hag. Full preseason, the right signings, rashford in form, kind fixtures in the cup before the final. I would have expected us to reach the final too if we had been gifted those fixtures.

Not saying Potter can be excused but there are big things out of his control that would have hindered other coaches if they were in his position. I genuinely think Tuchel would have struggled too had he stayed, given the circumstances.

The league is also tougher this season. Look at Liverpool and Tottenham, they have both dropped plenty of points despite having long term coaches in charge. I also think Potter may not be right, especially given our circumstances this season which haven't been ideal whatsoever. 

What makes this the hardest season ever exactly? We keep losing games and we're still in the same position miraculously, if we picked up some form we could still grab 4th but we won't. 

If Potter is here next season, I'm actually seeing some positives in it, the positives being seeing what excuses you lot keep pulling out your ass.  

9 hours ago, forbzy said:

I suspect that there are some clauses in Potter's contract that make it easier for the board to let him go in the summer. Right now they are claiming they back him, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are already lining up somebody else to take over at the end of the season.

This is my expectation. The long term contracts they have handed out to players being performance linked makes me feel that's probably why on one hand he seems to be paid highly, because once his performance clauses are unachievable he will be let go with limited financial damage. 

For someone with a good reputation for making money from investments, it would be silly of Todd if GPs contracts weren't similar to what the players are also getting ie performance based rewards. 

We saw same thing with Moyes at Utd. Once top 4 was mathematically impossible as well as exiting champions leagues, he was axed. Until then they are hardly going to come out and say anything different in public than they are backing the manager. 

Everyone that has a basic understanding of what football is and how you have to perform to get results and keep your job knows GP is a prime candidate for the sack and that would be the case if he was turning out such results in any of the current bottom 5, possibly bottom half not to talk of Chelsea. 

We are the team with the lowest goals scored since November apparently. 

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by abister1

2 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Nah we're alright mate 

When I first saw Tuchel is gone and we went for Potter I thought this is something completely new. I love Tuchel. Such an entertaining person and brilliant coach. Potter on the other hand is not an entertaining person but he could be a great coach...time will tell. 

When I heard the reasons in sacking Tuchel I realized he is the wrong profile for the new Chelsea. After time went on I felt good as we are actually doing something to change the culture of the club.

At this very moment the performances are worrying. No one denies that. But I would worry more if just repeated the old cycle. 

The potential and quality of our squad is immense. We just used 600m to buy potential. Probably no club in the world have this kind of quality. This is why I am not super-worried about us. The big things in our club are right. 

I don't worry about relegation although at this rate we are slipping to that scrap. We will stay up and in reality that is enough from this season in terms of league position. 

What I worry at this very moment is if Boehly is the only person backing Potter his environment for working with quality is hindered. Hopefully it is calm inside the club and squad. 

All the work on training ground + the quality will shine through at some point. The team will be much stronger after this ordeal and that is something you can't buy. 

I hope we turn this rut around quickly and stick with our guns. I can take the losses if I know there is a plan. Under Roman that wasn't the case.

4 minutes ago, evissy said:

When I first saw Tuchel is gone and we went for Potter I thought this is something completely new. I love Tuchel. Such an entertaining person and brilliant coach. Potter on the other hand is not an entertaining person but he could be a great coach...time will tell. 

When I heard the reasons in sacking Tuchel I realized he is the wrong profile for the new Chelsea. After time went on I felt good as we are actually doing something to change the culture of the club.

At this very moment the performances are worrying. No one denies that. But I would worry more if just repeated the old cycle. 

The potential and quality of our squad is immense. We just used 600m to buy potential. Probably no club in the world have this kind of quality. This is why I am not super-worried about us. The big things in our club are right. 

I don't worry about relegation although at this rate we are slipping to that scrap. We will stay up and in reality that is enough from this season in terms of league position. 

What I worry at this very moment is if Boehly is the only person backing Potter his environment for working with quality is hindered. Hopefully it is calm inside the club and squad. 

All the work on training ground + the quality will shine through at some point. The team will be much stronger after this ordeal and that is something you can't buy. 

I hope we turn this rut around quickly and stick with our guns. I can take the losses if I know there is a plan. Under Roman that wasn't the case.

We've spent £600m and you think survival is enough?

3 minutes ago, evissy said:

 Potter on the other hand is not an entertaining person but he could be a great coach...time will tell. 

It already has.

The writing has been on the wall for Potter for quite some time.

He's been a poor tactician and not had a winning mentality his entire managerial career in English football.  There's never even been a sign There's any potential of a great manager in Potter.

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

When I first saw Tuchel is gone and we went for Potter I thought this is something completely new. I love Tuchel. Such an entertaining person and brilliant coach. Potter on the other hand is not an entertaining person but he could be a great coach...time will tell. 

When I heard the reasons in sacking Tuchel I realized he is the wrong profile for the new Chelsea. After time went on I felt good as we are actually doing something to change the culture of the club.

At this very moment the performances are worrying. No one denies that. But I would worry more if just repeated the old cycle. 

The potential and quality of our squad is immense. We just used 600m to buy potential. Probably no club in the world have this kind of quality. This is why I am not super-worried about us. The big things in our club are right. 

I don't worry about relegation although at this rate we are slipping to that scrap. We will stay up and in reality that is enough from this season in terms of league position. 

What I worry at this very moment is if Boehly is the only person backing Potter his environment for working with quality is hindered. Hopefully it is calm inside the club and squad. 

All the work on training ground + the quality will shine through at some point. The team will be much stronger after this ordeal and that is something you can't buy. 

I hope we turn this rut around quickly and stick with our guns. I can take the losses if I know there is a plan. Under Roman that wasn't the case.

Keeping a manager for the sake of stability doesn't automatically mean that the manager will become a great manager. United would still be having a sh*t season if they kept OGS. 

You should be more concerned about the quality we have being wasted and ruined by a manager who is clearly way out of his depth and doesn't know how to manage them properly. 

I don't fear relegation, I fear that we are going to stick with a man who has no idea what he's doing when we have made ridiculous investments into the club that have to pay off or we are in serious trouble. The sooner we end this charade the better, I don't know how many shocking performances and results it's going to take for you to realise he's not going to have this team finishing in the top 4 next season. And that's just the bare minimum we should be expecting from a squad such as this. 

I’m fully convinced that when Todd met Potter for the interview that Potter hit him with all the usual phrases ‘run that up the flagpole’ and ‘blue sky thinking’ etc etc. Todd loving this kind of chat lapped it up and decided it was worth £60m in wages and now here we are. f**ked. 
 

Same sh*t happens in my workplace, where people that are sh*t at their jobs have great interviews smashing out all the hot phrases of the day and get promotions while the ‘real’ workers are left behind…. Guess what…. They keep their jobs too, somehow. 

12 minutes ago, evissy said:

I hope we turn this rut around quickly and stick with our guns. I can take the losses if I know there is a plan. Under Roman that wasn't the case.

Under Roman the plan was to WIN. 

Now though we have a new plan. 

Stability. It's not so bad, we've won so much in 20 years, let others win too so we can achieve the stability we used to have in them good old days. 

How the hell is he still employed?

I respect the grind from these English journalists. I really do. 

To find a new excuse for Potter every day isn't easy. 

After calming down a bit since yesterday and really thinking about it, I am still Potter out, without a doubt. There is no chance I will ever buy into his style of football, coaching or even smaller things like his personality. The reason why I am out now and not the end of the season is because I still have this lingering fear that we will end up in a relegation fight. If I could put that fear out of my mind then I would say wait until the end of the season and get the right coach in June. I really don't want us panicking, hire an interim that gets a few good results and give them something like a 3 year contract at the end of it. We cannot get it wrong and offer the job to somebody like Pochettino, we need to get it right.

45 minutes ago, SimonH said:

I’m fully convinced that when Todd met Potter for the interview that Potter hit him with all the usual phrases ‘run that up the flagpole’ and ‘blue sky thinking’ etc etc. Todd loving this kind of chat lapped it up and decided it was worth £60m in wages and now here we are. f**ked. 
 

Same sh*t happens in my workplace, where people that are sh*t at their jobs have great interviews smashing out all the hot phrases of the day and get promotions while the ‘real’ workers are left behind…. Guess what…. They keep their jobs too, somehow. 

Probably babbled a few sentences with "collaboration", "agile" and "partner" in them, and Boehly's sat there with his corporate buzz word bingo card, ticking off the phrases and nodding excitedly at Eghbali ... 

If it's got to the point it's down to two games then may aswell just sack him now (I'd say that regardless of my personal opinion towards a manager).

I still don’t get. Why people seem to think he needs time. 
 

on paper we have a squad that should easily be finishing in the top4. And I don’t care what people say about injuries and so forth… guess what certain players are coming back I.e James chilly kova etc and we seem to be performing worse. 

He is a fraud and the job is too big for him

 

 

, 
 

....he's still here?

2 minutes ago, Jezq8 said:

I still don’t get. Why people seem to think he needs time. 
 

on paper we have a squad that should easily be finishing in the top4. And I don’t care what people say about injuries and so forth… guess what certain players are coming back I.e James chilly kova etc and we seem to be performing worse. 

He is a fraud and the job is too big for him

Today's journos excuse is that he has an inflated squad to work with and can't get his ideas across, which is true but they also continently ignored the blatant obvious that Potter has his preferred players that he's used since September and even they still don't look like they have a f**king clue. 

 

 

1 hour ago, abister1 said:

This is my expectation. The long term contracts they have handed out to players being performance linked makes me feel that's probably why on one hand he seems to be paid highly, because once his performance clauses are unachievable he will be let go with limited financial damage. 

For someone with a good reputation for making money from investments, it would be silly of Todd if GPs contracts weren't similar to what the players are also getting ie performance based rewards. 

We saw same thing with Moyes at Utd. Once top 4 was mathematically impossible as well as exiting champions leagues, he was axed. Until then they are hardly going to come out and say anything different in public than they are backing the manager. 

Everyone that has a basic understanding of what football is and how you have to perform to get results and keep your job knows GP is a prime candidate for the sack and that would be the case if he was turning out such results in any of the current bottom 5, possibly bottom half not to talk of Chelsea. 

We are the team with the lowest goals scored since November apparently. 

Some of the press are suggesting he has the next 2 games to save his job. I think it is more specifically going to be the result of the Dortmund game that matters most. That would fall into line with the way Moyes was handled. Potter will probably keep his job for now if we get past Dortmund, but I suspect he will be gone if we lose.

Moyes made it to QF of Champs League and then lost his job when they went out at that stage. Giggs was made interim and won a couple of games but was never going to get the full time job. I suspect it would be the same here with Barry or Bath taking over for rest of the season.

31 minutes ago, Argo said:

If it's got to the point it's down to two games then may aswell just sack him now (I'd say that regardless of my personal opinion towards a manager).

I'd agree with you Argo. Not much is going to change in the next 2 games realistically. If the board are hedging their bets hoping that we somehow make progress in the Champs League they would have a slightly better chance if they take action now. Maybe they would then get a new manager bounce to get past Dortmund.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

When I first saw Tuchel is gone and we went for Potter I thought this is something completely new. I love Tuchel. Such an entertaining person and brilliant coach. Potter on the other hand is not an entertaining person but he could be a great coach...time will tell. 

When I heard the reasons in sacking Tuchel I realized he is the wrong profile for the new Chelsea. After time went on I felt good as we are actually doing something to change the culture of the club.

At this very moment the performances are worrying. No one denies that. But I would worry more if just repeated the old cycle. 

The potential and quality of our squad is immense. We just used 600m to buy potential. Probably no club in the world have this kind of quality. This is why I am not super-worried about us. The big things in our club are right. 

I don't worry about relegation although at this rate we are slipping to that scrap. We will stay up and in reality that is enough from this season in terms of league position. 

What I worry at this very moment is if Boehly is the only person backing Potter his environment for working with quality is hindered. Hopefully it is calm inside the club and squad. 

All the work on training ground + the quality will shine through at some point. The team will be much stronger after this ordeal and that is something you can't buy. 

I hope we turn this rut around quickly and stick with our guns. I can take the losses if I know there is a plan. Under Roman that wasn't the case.

That's a lot of optimism and good-will though. 

Tuchel may not have been right for the new Chelsea, but I'm very concerned about that new Chelsea then. I suspect Boehly thought that coaching is not that big of a deal, and as soon as he's fully injected data analysis to this antiquated sport his club would be miles ahead of everyone else. All you need in a coach is a level-headed administrator. The plan you want to stick to is an amateur's tragic misunderstanding of the sport: He thinks we just bought all the best players, they get to train every week in the best facilities, so surely at some point they start being the best team. Sadly no. "Something you can't buy" is one way to describe this fallacy. 

And I have to disagree, there was more of a plan at any point during Roman's reign, it simply didn't allow for dry patches. I would have liked a culture change in which we finally back our manager for a couple of years, but a world-class manager like Tuchel. 

-2 goal difference after 24 games is very worrying. I wonder if anyone has the stats for our goals for and against since Potter took over. I know TT contributed to 35% of our total epl points his season, but I'm unsure how many goals that translates to. 

Crazy to think over a third of our points were accrued between August and September 7th. That is beyond wild. 

3 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I'd agree with you Argo. Not much is going to change in the next 2 games realistically. If the board are hedging their bets hoping that we somehow make progress in the Champs League they would have a slightly better chance if they take action now. Maybe they would then get a new manager bounce to get past Dortmund.

100% a good coach gives us a chance to get past Dortmund. I know if we had say Poch who I know a good few aren't a fan of I'd bet he gets us on a decent cup run. If he took Spurs to a final he could definitely do it at Chelsea.

Waiting until there's nothing left to play for and then firing Potter shows how much they strive to contrast the previous approach.

The reason why Abramovich was such a good owner was his ability to remove emotional attachment from his decisions. Business first, what is the best way to win and despite the new board trying everything in their power to be different. The truth of the matter is, Abramovich tenure was successful to choose to be the complete opposite only serves to reinforce the idea that Boehly and Co will most likely not be as successful.

It's the age old expression of cutting of your nose to spite your face. They strive to be different so badly they will damage the club's win at all costs philosophy in exchange for mediocrity.

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by LongtimerLurker

2 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

100% a good coach gives us a chance to get past Dortmund. I know if we had day Poch who I know a good few aren't a fan of I'd bet he gets us on a decent cup run. If he took Spurs to a final he could definitely do it at Chelsea 

Thing is if they do decide to cut their losses with Potter before the season is out, we will almost certainly be looking at an interim with a permanent replacement in the summer. They will want to identify the right replacement with Vivell etc. involved and the target may not be somebody who is immediately available. Most likely scenario if they took immediate action is that we would have one of the existing staff leading the team against Dortmund. Probably Anthony Barry.