1 hour ago, Deino said:

No, Tuchel had the worst time of any manager that has managed Chelsea Football Club.

And Potter is responsible for putting out 20+ different Starting XI's. He is also the one who delivers half time team talks and also in charge of substitutions.

Yet, after 6 months on the job, he still doesn't know what combination of players he wants to stick to. The patterns of play is basically a worse attempt at copying Tuchel. 

Now we are in a situation where we have only scored 1 goal in a month. Yet he continues chopping and changing 

Oh come on, how did Tuchel have it worse? He was given Lukaku up top but managed to fall out with Lukaku it seems, which is another reason we are in the situation we are in with zero proper striker. Tuchel had a fit Kante when we won the CL too. He had Giroud, who I would argue is better than current Auba. Rudiger was settled into the team. Not to mention we were at one point a few points off top place last season then managed to f**k it up and fall way behind. Reece James and Chilwell were chipping in with goals. Mount was playing well too. There's no doubting that Potter has had it tougher this season with injuries. Tuchel started the season poorly and people were starting to question him. How can he stick to a combo of players when there's been constant injuries?

Reece James first returned from injury and then gets injured again. We know how important the full backs are to our play. Not to mention the loss of Kante has been massive. Kante has carried previous managers, alongside Hazard. Without Kante in certain games last season under Tuchel we saw how less effective we were. Now imagine the amount of key players we had out until the beginning of this month/latter end of last month. The amount of absentees has been unprecedented and that leads to lower confidence among the players. As I said, look at Klopp and the injuries they've had. Imagine Tottenham without Kane or Utd with Rashford. That's just 1 of our rivals key players, let alone 3/4 or more out. 

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by enigma

7 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

He's not even listed in the Bookies odds list for "next Chelsea manager", so probably nothing in this rumour anyway

That notwithstanding. most of us over in UK are not really familiar with Amorim, so it would be very helpful to understand why you feel he is not a good fit for Chelsea ?

 

He won Sporting their first title in 14 years, and has integrated a bunch of youth players. He plays a 3-4-3 possession game, so a bit like Tuchel in that sense (but most likely not as good). Not to mention he's still in his 30's, it's definitely impressive.

Poch is more tried and tested though, though i do feel his Tottenham squad was better than people make it out to be (Kane, Lloris, Eriksen, Walker, Alderweireld and Vertonghen were all top class). 

 

Personally i think just get a caretaker till the summer, and see who's available then. I think Flick Spaletti and Conte could all be options if we wait.

3 minutes ago, enigma said:

He was given Lukaku up top but managed to fall out with Lukaku 

God you talk some sh*te, Lukaku was playing every game and was benched after coming from an injury then decided to have an interview sh*t talking the team and flirting with Inter Milan. 

The fact you blame Tuchel for that speaks volumes. 

I'm not Auba's biggest fan but I think it's ridiculous saying Potter doesn't have a striker when he's leaving Auba out of the CL squad for an injured 6th choice winger in Pulisic and a Ziyech that had gone to Paris.

Coupled with taking Fofana off after a promising 1st half against Southampton to play Mount up front and the fact not one striker in Potters entire managerial career has looked good under him I think it's more of a case Potter doesn't know how to use a striker rather than the players being the primary issue.

6 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

He won Sporting their first title in 14 years, and has integrated a bunch of youth players. He plays a 3-4-3 possession game, so a bit like Tuchel in that sense (but most likely not as good). Not to mention he's still in his 30's, it's definitely impressive.

Poch is more tried and tested though, though i do feel his Tottenham squad was better than people make it out to be (Kane, Lloris, Eriksen, Walker, Alderweireld and Vertonghen were all top class). 

 

Personally i think just get a caretaker till the summer, and see who's available then. I think Flick Spaletti and Conte could all be options if we wait.

Investing in a bunch of young players and given them Conte won't be that much better than doing the same thing for Mourinho.

Would be utter madness.

I've just watched the first half against Southampton out of curiosity and I'm really not seeing what everyone else seems to be with DDF.

Is this another case of the Baba, Michy, Begovic, Kenedy and Emerson of "they can't be worse than who's infront of them" only for them to come in for a few games and show us exactly why we've been persisting with the underperformers infront of them?

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

Investing in a bunch of young players and given them Conte won't be that much better than doing the same thing for Mourinho.

Would be utter madness.

Is Conte that bad for young players? He's gotten more out of Kulusevski and Bentancur than Juventus ever did. He had Christensen looking like one of the best defenders in the league before the barca game.

I perfectly understand why people are worried here. In Roman era this kind of underperforming would not have happened solely because managers/coaches would have opted for quick fixes to save their ass. 

Potter for me at least have made decisions that a coach makes who is not expecting to be fired. He has sat out players for cautionary reasons. Tuchel for example didn't, JM didn't. He has fielded an 11 that is naturally in risk of conceding to give minutes to certain players. Tuchel didn't nor did JM. The hopes are it will bare fruit at some point in the future. 

Is it the right choice I don't know. I have no idea. Potter's Chelsea is doing a ton of things right but nothing seems to go in or happen for us. It easily could be as easy as we just win one game or things suddenly click in one game and some of the tension breaks. The squad is talented enough. 

I feel Potter needs to maneuver a win against Leeds or at least Dortmund. By maneuvering I mean we need to be something else than flexible and more of dull and tactical. It is probably against his ideology but the team could benefit of one small victory or a moment of good feel.

25 minutes ago, Argo said:

I've just watched the first half against Southampton out of curiosity and I'm really not seeing what everyone else seems to be with DDF.

Is this another case of the Baba, Michy, Begovic, Kenedy and Emerson of "they can't be worse than who's infront of them" only for them to come in for a few games and show us exactly why we've been persisting with the underperformers infront of them?

I agree DDF is very raw. Against Southampton, there had to be a forward change at half time, Madueke and DDF are both very raw (probably both could do with a good loan) and we frequently had little shape... similar to the second half against Fulham. Madueke got the nod though possibly DDF had, had the better half. Mount equally was poor but he has the scope to play in a variety of positions...wasn't expecting the no9 though!

5 minutes ago, evissy said:

I perfectly understand why people are worried here. In Roman era this kind of underperforming would not have happened solely because managers/coaches would have opted for quick fixes to save their ass. 

Potter for me at least have made decisions that a coach makes who is not expecting to be fired. He has sat out players for cautionary reasons. Tuchel for example didn't, JM didn't. He has fielded an 11 that is naturally in risk of conceding to give minutes to certain players. Tuchel didn't nor did JM. The hopes are it will bare fruit at some point in the future. 

Is it the right choice I don't know. I have no idea. Potter's Chelsea is doing a ton of things right but nothing seems to go in or happen for us. It easily could be as easy as we just win one game or things suddenly click in one game and some of the tension breaks. The squad is talented enough. 

I feel Potter needs to maneuver a win against Leeds or at least Dortmund. By maneuvering I mean we need to be something else than flexible and more of dull and tactical. It is probably against his ideology but the team could benefit of one small victory or a moment of good feel.

A goal in either would be a start

Hi guys, I seem to have missed the announcement that he’s been sacked? There surely is one by now, right?

46 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I'm not Auba's biggest fan but I think it's ridiculous saying Potter doesn't have a striker when he's leaving Auba out of the CL squad for an injured 6th choice winger in Pulisic and a Ziyech that had gone to Paris.

Coupled with taking Fofana off after a promising 1st half against Southampton to play Mount up front and the fact not one striker in Potters entire managerial career has looked good under him I think it's more of a case Potter doesn't know how to use a striker rather than the players being the primary issue.

It's also crazy spending heavily on wingers and then having no-one instinctive in the middle for them to ping crosses at ... 

Probably why Reece James doesn't bother crossing most of the time as well ...

17 minutes ago, evissy said:

 In Roman era this kind of underperforming would not have happened solely because managers/coaches would have opted for quick fixes to save their ass. 

If Potter did actually opt for some quick fixes to save his ass , we probably wouldn't even realise. He's probably been doing it for two months already LOL.

27 minutes ago, evissy said:

 Potter's Chelsea is doing a ton of things right but nothing seems to go in or happen for us. It easily could be as easy as we just win one game or things suddenly click in one game and some of the tension breaks. The squad is talented enough. 

I feel Potter needs to maneuver a win against Leeds or at least Dortmund. By maneuvering I mean we need to be something else than flexible and more of dull and tactical. It is probably against his ideology but the team could benefit of one small victory or a moment of good feel.

Sorry to be pedantic, but. . .

What exactly are we doing 'right' under Potter? 

What is Potter's footballing ideology?

Yes, victory, generally results in a 'good feel'.  Even goals create those 'good feel' moments.

Club's biggest mistake was getting rid of Giroud IMO. Even though he wasn't the best striker he knew how to play the striker's role by doing things like holding up play, one-two passes etc.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Investing in a bunch of young players and given them Conte won't be that much better than doing the same thing for Mourinho.

Would be utter madness.

Yep.  Jose and Conte are bullies and they are not managers that we should really ever consider returning to.

 

38 minutes ago, evissy said:

Potter's Chelsea is doing a ton of things right

JT being made interim manager and becoming assistant to a new manager in the summer has been muted.

That has been linked to the likely availability of more managers in the summer, 2 well linked ones are Diego Simeone and Jose Mourinho, who both want long term projects and are apparently interested 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Investing in a bunch of young players and given them Conte won't be that much better than doing the same thing for Mourinho.

Would be utter madness.

Jose has been using a fair bit of the Roma youth to be fair.

40 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

JT being made interim manager and becoming assistant to a new manager in the summer has been muted.

That has been linked to the likely availability of more managers in the summer, 2 well linked ones are Diego Simeone and Jose Mourinho, who both want long term projects and are apparently interested 

Two awful choices, hope this isn't true. Their brand of football is completely the opposite of the players we have.

My issue with Potter is we are not ash bas as Arsenal before Arteta or Liverpool before Klopp. He took over a team which a year ago won the Champions League and has regularly qualified for CL. I just don't get what's there to rebuild. Why can't we score more than 1 goal a month?

I just dont see any progress at all since he took over

13 minutes ago, DG19 said:

My issue with Potter is we are not ash bas as Arsenal before Arteta or Liverpool before Klopp. He took over a team which a year ago won the Champions League and has regularly qualified for CL. I just don't get what's there to rebuild. Why can't we score more than 1 goal a month?

I just dont see any progress at all since he took over

What is there to rebuild? 

Well we lost Rudiger and Christensen, our full backs are never fit, our midfield of Jorginho and Kante are in twilight of career, we never ended up getting a striker that worked and our wide players weren't good enough even when we won the champs league. 

So we needed to rebuild everything. 

Are we as bad as those clubs? No. But we definitely needed a rebuild. 

21 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

What is there to rebuild? 

Well we lost Rudiger and Christensen, our full backs are never fit, our midfield of Jorginho and Kante are in twilight of career, we never ended up getting a striker that worked and our wide players weren't good enough even when we won the champs league. 

So we needed to rebuild everything. 

Are we as bad as those clubs? No. But we definitely needed a rebuild. 

Could've done that rebuild under Tuchel. Imagine if he had Enzo, Felix and Mudryk instead of Jorginho Pulisic and Ziyech

23 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Could've done that rebuild under Tuchel. Imagine if he had Enzo, Felix and Mudryk instead of Jorginho Pulisic and Ziyech

Maybe we could. Or maybe he demands different profiles of players. 

But I'm tired of this looking back. Tuchel is irrelevant to this discussion. 

1 hour ago, DG19 said:

My issue with Potter is we are not ash bas as Arsenal before Arteta or Liverpool before Klopp. He took over a team which a year ago won the Champions League and has regularly qualified for CL. I just don't get what's there to rebuild. Why can't we score more than 1 goal a month?

I just dont see any progress at all since he took over

He's the only manager in the world that needs a top 4 team + 300m investment... Only to say that he can't run training sessions cause the squad is too big, whatever you give him it's either too much or too little