9 hours ago, BedfordBlue said:

I’m surprised he’s been sacked, I thought he would be given until the end of the season. I’m glad he’s gone, we played mid table football at best for about half a year

It's the point the faith ran out with the management. You don't keep a manager till the end of the season if you lose faith in him and decide to replace him after the season. No point in doing that. The sooner he went the better even though we have little to play for till the end of the season.

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12 minutes ago, evissy said:

It seems like it is working with Arteta, it worked with Pep when he started, it has propelled Nagelsmann to contention of the absolute top tier positions. At some point coaches need their big break. Chelsea has never been that place to anyone. Our culture and club is not willing to accept bad times and results. 

Those who succeed all have a certain mentality/mindset though. That was the biggest red flag with Potter and something that was ridiculously obvious from very early on that he shouldn't be anywhere near a club that intends to compete with his mindset. Defeats where somehow acceptable if we created a few chances ourselves, didn't stand up for the club in public when we were shafted by the officials, a million excuses and one could go on and on.

 

56 minutes ago, Girish said:

What I'm also hearing is that Chelsea have reached an agreement with GP to pay a lower severance package than the ~50mil that we would have had to pay him for the remaining duration of his contract. If that's true, then I have no idea why he would agree to a lower payout. The dude lacks any kind of ruthlessness. He seems just too nice to be anywhere near a top job in the future.

Of all the criticism levelled at GP, and the huge pressure he has been under, I don't think anyone can doubt he is anything other than a thoroughly "nice" guy. Hasn't got angry, hasn't thrown any players under the bus, has maintained his calm persona and dignity throughout, has never shied away from his media duties etc. Yes, he always came across as a very decent bloke and for that he deserves respect and our best wishes for the future. 

8 minutes ago, just said:

Hasn't got angry

Don't you think this was part of the problem? He was such a mellow character some players had no problems calling him Harry Potter at Cobham.

I do think he's a nice guy though so I generally agree with you. But a certain lack of "fire" in him was part of his undoing here in my opinion. I also think any young player with any bottle and hopes of making it here will have zero problems with the manager shouting at you or giving you a bollocking from time to time. But with Potter there was seemingly a severe lack of standards and more like an everything goes kind of attitude.

12 minutes ago, just said:

Of all the criticism levelled at GP, and the huge pressure he has been under, I don't think anyone can doubt he is anything other than a thoroughly "nice" guy. Hasn't got angry, hasn't thrown any players under the bus, has maintained his calm persona and dignity throughout, has never shied away from his media duties etc. Yes, he always came across as a very decent bloke and for that he deserves respect and our best wishes for the future. 

I completely agree. 

I think Potter is a very nice guy. Personally, I am very suprised that It doesn't work out as his brighton played similar to tuchel ball. 

However, his tenure with us is bizzare. He started by playing chameleon formation then he switched to 4231 then went back to 343. It is like he doesn't know what he want which is very big red flag for a manager. 2nd I think he is too keen to please everyone. Playing Ziyech after his failed move to psg is just bizzare. 

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I was surprised at his appointment and the timing of it so early in the season. I do agree after Saturdays defeat it was time he went.

I have to admit. I don’t like to see anyone lose their jobs, having been made redundant myself ten years ago. It is though, the nature of football

I wish him all the very best for the future, except if he’s managing a club we play.

In American sports culture coaches are sort of less innovative and more of war-type leaders. In Ice Hockey most of the major coaches are not trainers and developers like Potter is perhaps.

Their main job is to make sure players play as they are told all day everyday. It is less tactical to everyone. Lot more simple for players. You have players like Cesc or Frank who loved more complicated stuff but most players just want to perform to their strength and succeed.

Now I know in football the culture among coaches is set by major players like Pep, Klopp and Carlo. Their image is something like being tactical geniuses, revolutionisers of the game. Intelligent and driven. 

For me the American version of the coach is not that profile. Data is in forefront and in game tactics are more of muscle, repetition and not brain. Now I am not saying they are not intelligent but their image is not that. 

If you go just by the image I would say Sean Dyche with intelligent data is your equivalent in football for American Coach. 

Jose is also much more of a traditional leader of men instead of being a genius football tactician. I think for Americans Jose would be more familiar as a leader type. Jose as well is a tactician but he chose the right men for the job instead of training repetitions and tactics inside the football. He led players to win their battles inside games. 

I have no idea what Boehly and co wants but something familiar to them from Baseball. Now I don't know baseball at all...someone smarter could comment on what profile coaches they have.

"If you look at the xG of the [McGinn] goal, it's not that big a chance," 

I just saw this. I love stats but clearly Potter has never watched Kepa because Kepa vs long shot is one of our slogan. 

 

54 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

They are 'advisors' not decision makers; they can provide advice and all the recommendations they want but Todd's in charge of the greenbacks and we need to make FFP + the new manager will no doubt want to bring in a player or two, although he'll be spoiled for choice with the amount of players we have.

Well in that instance the new manager is also an advisor. So Todd will have his "grubby" hands on it regardless. 

It is interesting that our last 3 managers got fired after losing Kante for significant period of time.

I remembered Kante got injured under lamp which make

Mount - Kai

Dm

System unusable. 

Under Tuchel, we had our best game of the season vs spurs when kante got injured then we were never the same. 

Potter had half fit Kante for only 30 min. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

I completely agree. 

I think Potter is a very nice guy. Personally, I am very suprised that It doesn't work out as his brighton played similar to tuchel ball. 

However, his tenure with us is bizzare. He started by playing chameleon formation then he switched to 4231 then went back to 343. It is like he doesn't know what he want which is very big red flag for a manager. 2nd I think he is too keen to please everyone. Playing Ziyech after his failed move to psg is just bizzare. 

It took him a long time to get Brighton to that level, I assume Bohley was aware of this when he hired Potter but I don't think either of them expected things to be this bad. 

I am sorry to see Potter go but it was inevitable after the disaster of the last few results. I don't think that we were the worse team on Saturday evening, but that defeat was last straw. A Sunday league mistake and a long shot, plus the fact that our players can't score any of the many chances that were created, were our demise and I don't think that we can put all the blame on him (plus I thought that we didn't play too badly and we had enough good chances to have scored 3 or 4). The selection was bizarre, especially in the defence, so that's on Potter. But the fact that we don't score is not his fault, we also missed many of the chances created last season, but he has been incapable of changing that either and we have regressed in terms of scoring. The change in formation every week wasn't good either, with some bizarre choices as we saw playing James as RCB and RLC as wing back, having two CBs on the bench. Overall, I think that he was failing to know the strengths of the team and, while there has been some good football moments, results were not improving and I don't think that he would have turned things around. He comes across as a nice guy and it's a shame that it hasn't worked out at Chelsea. I wish him all the best for the future.

Apparently a clause in his contract that we pay less severance if we fell into the bottom half of the table, which would make sense as we fell to 11th following this loss. Think Graham is a very nice bloke that i'd like to have a pint with but too much expectation for him at Chelsea, could see him ending up at Leicester or somewhere of that ilk next. What concerns me now is our interim situation, surely we aren't going to turn up to the Bernabeu with Bruno Salter in charge of the team? Tomorrow's game should be very interesting at least.

Sadly nice guys dont make good managers....clough...fergie...werent nice guys......mr potter didnt have thepowerfullcharacteristics to get these dummys to play or.have faith in themselves...although these sort of players should know without being told.....i want jose back....but after singing...YOURE NOT SPECIAL ANYMORE when he went to fartlandcouldnt see it....think we shouldnt rush to the first name available....let the second string coaches get thru to seasons end........sadly there is no one about that id feel comfy having at the helm.....klopp may need a change next yr......

11 minutes ago, Remodez said:

It took him a long time to get Brighton to that level, I assume Bohley was aware of this when he hired Potter but I don't think either of them expected things to be this bad. 

What usually take a while with any manager is improving their squad. 

The problem with Potter is that Boehly decide to do in one transfer window hence the pressure is on Potter to do it faster.

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7 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Apparently a clause in his contract that we pay less severance if we fell into the bottom half of the table, which would make sense as we fell to 11th following this loss. Think Graham is a very nice bloke that i'd like to have a pint with but too much expectation for him at Chelsea, could see him ending up at Leicester or somewhere of that ilk next. What concerns me now is our interim situation, surely we aren't going to turn up to the Bernabeu with Bruno Salter in charge of the team? Tomorrow's game should be very interesting at least.

My bigger concern is Kante situation.It looks like he won't be ready against Real Madrid. 

3 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

My bigger concern is Kante situation.It looks like he won't be ready against Real Madrid. 

Mikel is only 35 years old and a free agent currently.. Bring him back, loves a big CL night.

Some good discussion on the BBC podcast about Potter's sacking : https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fdhfdk 

Pat Nevin centre stage for the first 9 minutes or so, followed by the Athletic's Liam Twomey and Andrew Tindall from the Chelsea Extra account on Twitter.

3 hours ago, coombsie said:

This is the man we need, Soon to be fired by Real Madrid, lets get him back to finish the job he started.

is he getting fired? If yes then I agree we should bring him home.

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

Don't you think this was part of the problem? He was such a mellow character some players had no problems calling him Harry Potter at Cobham.

I do think he's a nice guy though so I generally agree with you. But a certain lack of "fire" in him was part of his undoing here in my opinion. I also think any young player with any bottle and hopes of making it here will have zero problems with the manager shouting at you or giving you a bollocking from time to time. But with Potter there was seemingly a severe lack of standards and more like an everything goes kind of attitude.

Possibly. But I don't for one moment believe that any players were calling him Harry Potter to his face.

Not all managers have to be arm-waving, touchline ranting nut jobs like Klopp, Martin O'Neill, Ferguson etc. Ancelotti certainly isn't.

8 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Does anyone know if there's a way to read The Athletic article for free?

If you are on PC you can go to settings in Chrome or Edge browser 

Search Java script and then disable Java script for Athletic. This will make you read most of paywall blocked websites 

This will work on Google Chrome and Microsoft edge browsers. Not sure about others

Out with the old, in with the new. Potter really blew his big chance. In the short term it will be hard to imagine we can become worse off without him - for the long term we will never know, but I expect we will be fine. 

Next manager is really important - particularly as it will show owners intent with continuing the reboot/reset if the team. I don’t want us to revert to type and go short term and the long term goal has to be focus. 

Dont know enough about Nagelsman to draw any conclusions. Can’t see Zidane coming. Zero interest in Enrique or Pochettino. No desire to go back to conte or mou. Not a huge pool to choose from. 

Personally I would love uncle Carlo.  But can’t see that happening. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, DG19 said:

If you are on PC you can go to settings in Chrome or Edge browser 

Search Java script and then disable Java script for Athletic. This will make you read most of paywall blocked websites 

This will work on Google Chrome and Microsoft edge browsers. Not sure about others

Go to archive.is

Then enter the url into that site….it loads up

Shame it’s come to this but in the end it was for the best for all involved.

I’m less inclined to think his perceived lack of passion means he can’t be a top level manager but I do think it prevented him being a success here right now.

im thinking about all the “re-orgs” I’ve been through and it always takes strong personalities initially during the change who then move on and it’s handed over to more people focussed managers once things have settled in.

Potters been managing in the first part of that when he is more suited to the post change role

9 minutes ago, just said:

Possibly. But I don't for one moment believe that any players were calling him Harry Potter to his face.

Not all managers have to be arm-waving, touchline ranting nut jobs like Klopp, Martin O'Neill, Ferguson etc. Ancelotti certainly isn't.

Agree but Ancelotti takes no sh*t. Here dressing down a youngster in public a month or so ago.