41 minutes ago, loz said:

I'd rather lose this f**king awful modern day pish of giving players xA scores or whatever else pish stat people use. 

Anyone that needs sh*te like that to make an argument for or against a player really needs to spend more time actually watching the game.

Have you seen him score more than 2 goals in some ten games? are you watching the same player?  he's only ever scored double figures in a league campaign in one season - in Portugal... You really have to ask, why didn't Atletico let us have Griezmann for the same money? Now that's a player who knows where the net is and can find a pass for a player.

Anyhow, hope he delivers us the Champions league and goes on a scoring run for us. I love to eat a word sandwich and until he does, he's pish. certainly not worth more than 20 million and even then that's expensive. 

48 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Have you seen him score more than 2 goals in some ten games? are you watching the same player?  he's only ever scored double figures in a league campaign in one season - in Portugal... You really have to ask, why didn't Atletico let us have Griezmann for the same money? Now that's a player who knows where the net is and can find a pass for a player.

Anyhow, hope he delivers us the Champions league and goes on a scoring run for us. I love to eat a word sandwich and until he does, he's pish. certainly not worth more than 20 million and even then that's expensive. 

If we are going to obsess about stars didn't he get round about one goal every four appearances for Atletico? Probably on a par with Arjen Robben throughout his career and better than the likes of Duff. He isn't a centre forward so shouldn't be judged primary on goals scored. 

 

He has been in a new league for a short space of time and undeniably hasn't been perfect (fades a little too much as games go on) but he has shown a lot more spark, quick thinking and creativity in bursts than any of Pulisic, Mount, Ziyech, or Mudryk. 

 

5 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

We've got plenty of other attacking options available to Potter, so why do you think he keeps playing Felix ?

Potter making a lot of strange decisions, imagine the loan fee has something to do with it. 

4 hours ago, loz said:

I'd rather lose this f**king awful modern day pish of giving players xA scores or whatever else pish stat people use. 

Anyone that needs sh*te like that to make an argument for or against a player really needs to spend more time actually watching the game.

I watched the game, same as every one before it. There’s even a clip above that’s inexcusable. ‘Just watch the game’ is an easy way of saying you can’t really say what he’s been good at so far. The metrics just further back up the point. 

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Potter making a lot of strange decisions, imagine the loan fee has something to do with it. 

Mudryks transfer fee dwarfs the Felix loan fee, but it hasn't helped him get game time.

21 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I watched the game, same as every one before it. There’s even a clip above that’s inexcusable. ‘Just watch the game’ is an easy way of saying you can’t really say what he’s been good at so far. The metrics just further back up the point. 

Is that just goals and assists? What about his numbers for dribbles completed and chances created per 90? I'm not too sure what his numbers are, but goals+assists alone doesn't tell the full picture. 

 

If it was just about goals + assists for example, then Salah>>> prime Hazard, which clearly isn't the case. 

I think Felix is a significant upgrade on Mason Mount if he does go, though 80-100m feels too steep for him

If Ateltico being reasonable with the price , happy to sign him. He's not a great finisher, but he does add the creativity we been missing for the last couple of seasons. He had to play every game because of the loan fee, once he becomes a Chelsea player he will get his chance to be rotated.

Didn't Felix say somewhere he would be much less interested In a move if we are not in the CL next season?

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Didn't Felix say somewhere he would be much less interested In a move if we are not in the CL next season?

yes 

felix said that in a interview couple of weeks ago

tbh, without ucl, we can't spend 100M in a luxury player

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9 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

We've got plenty of other attacking options available to Potter, so why do you think he keeps playing Felix ?

Because in Felix role, his choice are Mount who has been out of form and currently injured or Ziyech. 

12 hours ago, loz said:

Agreed. The only one of our forward players who can do that little something special to open up a defence or inject a little pace into a counter attack.  

Not a perfect player by any means but we are a better team with him and there are many many others I'd be looking to punt before deciding not to pursue a permanent deal for Felix.

Can he though?

I feel like people hold on to that conclusion because he's small, floppy-haired and Portuguese with a foreign name. He is no Bruno Fernandes or Bernardo Silva, hell he's barely a Raul Meireles at this point. If this is his best while having a point to prove, I can't imagine he is going to improve when he gets on one of those "FFP-friendly" Boehly 8-year gravy trains.

Gifted playmakers are those that see things that aren't there. Mata with the reverse pass, Cesc passing on his blind side for Schurrle, Lampard over the top for Drogba - these are gifted playmakers. I've seen nothing from Felix either here or at Atletico that suggests he even has that kind of play in his locker.

Felix might be the best of our bad bunch, but we need to look at the bigger picture in the summer. There are going to be much better players available then.

9 hours ago, coco said:

Mudryks transfer fee dwarfs the Felix loan fee, but it hasn't helped him get game time.

True i suppose, although i believe Felix's fee is substantially larger when amortised. £9.69m for 5 months in comparison £62m spread over 7 years.

9 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Is that just goals and assists? What about his numbers for dribbles completed and chances created per 90? I'm not too sure what his numbers are, but goals+assists alone doesn't tell the full picture. 

 

If it was just about goals + assists for example, then Salah>>> prime Hazard, which clearly isn't the case. 

He's missed 3x as many big chances as he's created according to the Premier league website.

 

 

On 20/03/2023 at 06:42, coco said:

Mudryks transfer fee dwarfs the Felix loan fee, but it hasn't helped him get game time.

Because playing both murdyk n Felix at the same time create a lot of problem for us defensively. 

The one big advantage for Felix is that his competition is with Mount (injured). Murdyk has puli, sterling, kai to compete with. 

Edited March 22, 20233 yr by Bob stark

https://abola.pt/internacional/2023-03-22/inglaterra-chelsea-admite-compra-de-joao-felix-mas-avisa-que-tem-de-render-mais/981035

João Félix is on loan at Chelsea from Atlético Madrid until the end of the season and the Blues are already looking at the possibility of buying the Portuguese international.

However, according to AS, the amount requested by the Colchoneros, never less than 100 million euros, complicates the deal. According to the same source, the Londoners would like to continue to count on João Félix, but do not intend to pay such a high amount, so the Portuguese international will have to do much more to convince Todd Boehly to pay the 100 million euros requested by Atletico Madrid.

AS also point out that Joao Félix does not want to return to Atletico Madrid to be coached by Diego Simeone again.

Joao Félix has two goals in nine appearances for Chelsea, and in the first half of the season at Atletico Madrid he had five goals and three assists in 20 appearances.

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13 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

 

 

Felix so far in the Prem:

Games: 7 

Big chances created: 1

Assists: 0 

I think you may be exaggerating Mr. Lebouef.

11 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Felix so far in the Prem:

Games: 7 

Big chances created: 1

Assists: 0 

I think you may be exaggerating Mr. Lebouef.

Out of curiosity, what was the big chance created? I seem to recall him nutmegging a player on the edge of their box followed by a perfect low cross into the box. Really should've resulted in a goal and that was literally his first action of play in a Chelsea shirt.

If that doesn't count as a 'big chance created' then I don't know what does.

46 minutes ago, Amputechture said:

Out of curiosity, what was the big chance created? I seem to recall him nutmegging a player on the edge of their box followed by a perfect low cross into the box. Really should've resulted in a goal and that was literally his first action of play in a Chelsea shirt.

If that doesn't count as a 'big chance created' then I don't know what does.

Big chances created are chances where there is a shot at goal as a result.

Chances created are key passes which lead to a goal scoring opportunity. 
 

Felix has 1 big chance created and 5 chances created in 7 PL matches. 

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Big chances created are chances where there is a shot at goal as a result.

Chances created are key passes which lead to a goal scoring opportunity. 
 

Felix has 1 big chance created and 5 chances created in 7 PL matches. 

So basically if for example Enzo makes the through ball of the season to Havertz who squares it to Felix to tap it into an empty net it goes on record as Havertz creating the big chance? Likewise whoever passed to Rudiger before his famous 35-40 yard attempts that more often than not led to absolutely nothing.

If I've read that right then the stat needs some serious redefining.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

So basically if for example Enzo makes the through ball of the season to Havertz who squares it to Felix to tap it into an empty net it goes on record as Havertz creating the big chance? Likewise whoever passed to Rudiger before his famous 35-40 yard attempts that more often than not led to absolutely nothing.

If I've read that right then the stat needs some serious redefining.

Think in that scenario Enzo gets a chance created and Havertz the big chance created. 
 

Very misleading which again emphasizes the importance of the eye test. 

As someone who works with stats in my job, stats can be used to tell a story but it can also be used to create your own. Felix's stats on paper might not be golden but there is enough evidence on the pitch IMO to show that he is a gem. Id love for both him and Mount to remain at the club but if Mount wants to leave and he is the replacement I won't complain.

22 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

As someone who works with stats in my job, stats can be used to tell a story but it can also be used to create your own. Felix's stats on paper might not be golden but there is enough evidence on the pitch IMO to show that he is a gem. Id love for both him and Mount to remain at the club but if Mount wants to leave and he is the replacement I won't complain.

What is the evidence, though? 

Lots of people are alluding to this. I watched him here and at Atletico and I just don't see it. What am I missing?

7 hours ago, Argo said:

So basically if for example Enzo makes the through ball of the season to Havertz who squares it to Felix to tap it into an empty net it goes on record as Havertz creating the big chance? Likewise whoever passed to Rudiger before his famous 35-40 yard attempts that more often than not led to absolutely nothing.

If I've read that right then the stat needs some serious redefining.

It's not consistent at the level available to the public. The private datasets used by actual clubs have consistent definitions for their variables, but your average Whoscored/FBRef etc are just fansites.

Opta have different definitions. Enzo's pass would be considered a "second assist", and Rudiger's 40-yarder would not be considered a 'big chance'.