2 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

I don’t doubt that - but let’s not conflate the issues.

The conversation was about the flicks and fancy sh*t that Felix tries - and getting him to cut that out - balancing that particular issue against the benefit of having him in the team - with his genuine comfort and ease on the ball being something that none of our other players (bar palmer and Sancho) seem to have. 
 

Get him to cut out the flicks - give him a run of games, and we have a potential game changer/winner. Then the case for his perceived laziness changes.

I'm not even sure what we're talking about anymore.

To surmise my thoughts on him: 

- Ego too big, he won't stop the flicks and tricks

- Thinks he's too good to work hard, he's not. Probably our 6th best attacking mid currently

- he's not a game changer or a game winner, he's a passenger more bothered about his youtube highlight reel than digging deep for the good of the team 

19 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

I'm not even sure what we're talking about anymore.

To surmise my thoughts on him: 

- Ego too big, he won't stop the flicks and tricks

- Thinks he's too good to work hard, he's not. Probably our 6th best attacking mid currently

- he's not a game changer or a game winner, he's a passenger more bothered about his youtube highlight reel than digging deep for the good of the team 

Fair enough - I am not sure I agree with any of those things, I dont know him, and therefore difficult to make a judgement about his Ego, but I agree he needs to stop the flicks and tricks (for the sake of it - the same is also true to palmer, madueke and jackson).

I also dont agree about him being our 6th best attacking midfielder. Who is it you are putting above him? Palmer yes. Nkunku? Possibly. Madueke, Sancho and Neto have not done anything to suggest that they are consistently better than him. and Jackson is clearly light years behind.

I think he can be a game changer for us. He is clearly the smoothest with the ball that we have, and more comfortable with the ball at his feet than anyone  we have, with the possible exception of palmer. He needs to translate that into game changing output - but the potential is clearly there to be a big player for us.

4 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Fair enough - I am not sure I agree with any of those things, I dont know him, and therefore difficult to make a judgement about his Ego, but I agree he needs to stop the flicks and tricks (for the sake of it - the same is also true to palmer, madueke and jackson).

I also dont agree about him being our 6th best attacking midfielder. Who is it you are putting above him? Palmer yes. Nkunku? Possibly. Madueke, Sancho and Neto have not done anything to suggest that they are consistently better than him. and Jackson is clearly light years behind.

I think he can be a game changer for us. He is clearly the smoothest with the ball that we have, and more comfortable with the ball at his feet than anyone  we have, with the possible exception of palmer. He needs to translate that into game changing output - but the potential is clearly there to be a big player for us.

I'd start Palmer, Nkunku, Madueke, Neto and Sancho all ahead of him in any of the 3 roles behind the striker. In reference to your comment about Madueke, Sancho and Neto, what has Felix done to prove he's better than them? Madueke has been better all season, Sancho just showed in 30 minutes what he can do and Neto starts over him for the National team. This isn't the Joao Felix from Benfica with the world at his feet. This is a seasoned pro entering his 6th season in a top European league and still yet to show he's more than a squad player. 

On 16/09/2024 at 15:52, Ukraine Bolt said:

I'd start Palmer, Nkunku, Madueke, Neto and Sancho all ahead of him in any of the 3 roles behind the striker. In reference to your comment about Madueke, Sancho and Neto, what has Felix done to prove he's better than them? Madueke has been better all season, Sancho just showed in 30 minutes what he can do and Neto starts over him for the National team. This isn't the Joao Felix from Benfica with the world at his feet. This is a seasoned pro entering his 6th season in a top European league and still yet to show he's more than a squad player. 

This transfer was a farce, I'm surprised the media and other fans didn't pick up on it.

Basically, in order to get rid of a player we didn't want we were forced to BUY a player we didn't want.

Honestly, this club !

 

 

He’s a player I like but I don’t see him playing regularly at Chelsea.

The best we should hope for is he has a decent season with us and we can palm him off to Villa plus money for Watkins or Duran.

Theyvwere certainly interested in him during the window.

 

On 16/09/2024 at 15:52, Ukraine Bolt said:

I'd start Palmer, Nkunku, Madueke, Neto and Sancho all ahead of him in any of the 3 roles behind the striker. In reference to your comment about Madueke, Sancho and Neto, what has Felix done to prove he's better than them? Madueke has been better all season, Sancho just showed in 30 minutes what he can do and Neto starts over him for the National team. This isn't the Joao Felix from Benfica with the world at his feet. This is a seasoned pro entering his 6th season in a top European league and still yet to show he's more than a squad player. 

That's fine if you think that we have players better than him, but he's not exactly a bad player to have behind them is he? End of the day he's taken a massive pay cut to join us knowing how much competition he has in the squad. I also don't think we can complain about having too many good attacking players given the other top teams have just as many. Off the top of my head, included ours for comparison

 

Chelsea - Palmer, Nkunku, Mudryk, Madueke, Neto, Felix, Sancho, Jackson

Man City - Silva, Doku, Gundogan, Grealish, Foden, Savinho, Haaland

Real Madrid - Vini Jr, Rodrygo, Guler, Bellingham, Endrick, Diaz, Mbappe

Liverpool - Luis Diaz, Chiesa, Salah, Jota, Jones, Nunez, Gakpo

Bayern - Olise, Muller, Sane, Coman, Gnabry, Tel, Kane

On 20/09/2024 at 16:32, timetowaste said:

 

That's fine if you think that we have players better than him, but he's not exactly a bad player to have behind them is he? End of the day he's taken a massive pay cut to join us knowing how much competition he has in the squad. I also don't think we can complain about having too many good attacking players given the other top teams have just as many. Off the top of my head, included ours for comparison

 

Chelsea - Palmer, Nkunku, Mudryk, Madueke, Neto, Felix, Sancho, Jackson

Man City - Silva, Doku, Gundogan, Grealish, Foden, Savinho, Haaland

Real Madrid - Vini Jr, Rodrygo, Guler, Bellingham, Endrick, Diaz, Mbappe

Liverpool - Luis Diaz, Chiesa, Salah, Jota, Jones, Nunez, Gakpo

Bayern - Olise, Muller, Sane, Coman, Gnabry, Tel, Kane

should have made do with Tyrique George with Estevao and Paez joining up next year. Waste of money. 

Edited September 21, 20241 yr by Ukraine Bolt

Another game that was a complete waste of time having him on the pitch, does literally f**king nothing of value.

As per usual, lots of attempted flicks, nutmegs and general overcomplication. All style no substance. 

There was one positive thing about him is his position towards the ball, I think he was dynamic and found himself in good space.

Biggest problem is what he brough with the ball.. he needs to play much more simple and play the basics to gain more confidence and faith in his game.

He's in tight competition and still has got a long season to play. He needs to be better.

On a sidenote though, that's probably the hardest working I've ever seen Felix defensively. Even won a few tackles. so at least he's improving in that regard. 

1 hour ago, Remodez said:

On a sidenote though, that's probably the hardest working I've ever seen Felix defensively. Even won a few tackles. so at least he's improving in that regard. 

He only really did that for about 15 minutes, gave up on chasing players the second part of the 1st half. Did a bit early in the second then went back to strolling around. Brings absolutely nothing to the team that others cant do better, complete waste of money.

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by dkw

 

Gallegher 4 this...  

 

Someone posted it in the matchday thread but It couldn't be more true. He will be in Saudi in 2-3 years time. 

16 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Someone posted it in the matchday thread but It couldn't be more true. He will be in Saudi in 2-3 years time. 

He's probably hoping to come here, be at a club/environment he likes and like him for a bit and do enough stat padding in the cups and conference league for someone to take a chance on him for a more important role. 

That or he's genuinely happy to settle as a squad player because he surely knew he wasn't breaking into this lineup regularly?

2 hours ago, Argo said:

He's probably hoping to come here, be at a club/environment he likes and like him for a bit and do enough stat padding in the cups and conference league for someone to take a chance on him for a more important role. 

That or he's genuinely happy to settle as a squad player because he surely knew he wasn't breaking into this lineup regularly?

I am thinking it is a marriage of convenience.

 

Altetico could not find a buyer to cover what remained on his book value, so for FFP was better they kept him rather than let him go for a loss, and could not find a loan with loan fee and wage coverage.

 

No coincidence shortly after Neto was signed the Samy deal collapsed and we were linked with Felix. No proof on this but I believe Mendes was holding things up on Neto and made thar deal easier to be done once we agreed to tank the Samu signing and go for Felix.

I don't think from our position it was anything to do with getting Gallagher there, we had that arranged signing Samu. I believe, again either No proof, that to get Neto we had to help Mendes out with Felix as No other club would touch Felix at his Atletico wages AND match the fee Madrid needed.

Mendes knows his client, and knew how much he enjoyed his time here, specifically in London. Felix happily took a large wage cut to come here because, while he wanted away from Simeone badly, he was not going to go just anywhere. So to come to London, this life style, he was happy to take a wage cut, so much so we heard thar rumour almost as quickly as we heard the samu deal had fallen through.

 

So Felix gets away from Simeone, gets to live in west London, come back to a club he enjoyed his 6 months at before and wanted to stay at, still earn very good money, and play in an attack minded side when picked. 

My feeling is he will happily take that. If the opportunity of say a United on huge money pops up as the main man in a few years maybe he takes it, maybe he goes to Saudi and makes mega money, or maybe he sticks here for 5 or so years enjoying his life and goes back to Portugal after?

Who knows. We got our main target in Neto, and how well he does, and to a degree Felix, compared to Samu will show whether we made a good choice, or a bad one.

Some of you are being really harsh. He wasn't that bad, a bit quiet in the 2nd half and nothing really came off, but I thought he was dictating our attacking flow in the first half. He's a luxury player for sure, but I'm perfectly happy with him as back up for Palmer.

I always get the feeling some fans just want Felix to fail.

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by Scott Harris

I thought he was decent last night. 
He has scapegoat written all over himself but doesn’t help himself sometimes.

If he wants to play he has to knuckle down and apply himself better but there is an excellent footballer there.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Some of you are being really harsh. He wasn't that bad, a bit quiet in the 2nd half and nothing really came off, but I thought he was dictating our attacking flow in the first half. He's a luxury player for sure, but I'm perfectly happy with him as back up for Palmer.

I always get the feeling some fans just want Felix to fail.

Actually quite the opposite. I do like him and really respect the fact he grew to love the club despite being here in our worst period and was also desperate to stay when numerous other players including "one of our own" were itching to get the hell out of here.

Unfortunately I just don't see anything to suggest he's going to show anything more than what's caused him to become somewhat of a journeyman in recent times. I guess you're right at this point he is serviceable as a back up to Palmer, but what about when the likes of Estevao and Paez arrive?

He's hardly a journeyman though. It's no secret he fell out with Simeone, and was the reason he had loan spells with ourselves & Barca.

I love the fact he feels at home with us, and hopefully we can support him to do really well. Great player to have in the squad, still with plenty of potential.

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by Malcolm9

How much money did we waste on him again?

All fart and no poo. One in five flicks will come off and the casuals will point to that as him having a good game. 90% of what he does is lose the ball, bottle out of 50/50's and go alone when a pass is on. Stupid signing to say how good the rest of our transfers have largely been. 

It's just weird that Felix is looked at as somebody that should be singled out for having a bad performance, when if anything, he was one of the better players on the day. Badiashile, Disasi, Casadei, Tosin, Mudryk, Neto, Nkunku, Dewsbury-Hall, did any of these players play better than Felix last night? 

We won 4-2, so if criticism should go anywhere, it should be aimed at the defence. None of the attackers were a problem.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

It's just weird that Felix is looked at as somebody that should be singled out for having a bad performance, when if anything, he was one of the better players on the day. Badiashile, Disasi, Casadei, Tosin, Mudryk, Neto, Nkunku, Dewsbury-Hall, did any of these players play better than Felix last night? 

We won 4-2, so if criticism should go anywhere, it should be aimed at the defence. None of the attackers were a problem.

In my opinion it's largely because he's seen as the player who replaced Gallagher so he's gonna be critiqued a lot more harshly than others by a section of our fanbase which I don't think is really fair but it is what it is, everyone has their scapegoat. 

2 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

How much money did we waste on him again?

All fart and no poo. One in five flicks will come off and the casuals will point to that as him having a good game. 90% of what he does is lose the ball, bottle out of 50/50's and go alone when a pass is on. Stupid signing to say how good the rest of our transfers have largely been. 

He’s a decent enough player but signing him when  we already had Palmer, Nkunku and Carney for the 10 was just silly. Not to forget how Maresca opted for a midfield of Lavia, Enzo and Caicedo the one game Lavia was fit, which would mean there’s even less space for him
 

We needlessly spent 75 million on Felix and KDH when he had just as good options already in the squad - they’ve made some very good signings as well so I’m not going to make too much of a fuss about it, but in terms of squad building there seems to be a disconnect somewhere
 

 

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

It's just weird that Felix is looked at as somebody that should be singled out for having a bad performance, when if anything, he was one of the better players on the day. Badiashile, Disasi, Casadei, Tosin, Mudryk, Neto, Nkunku, Dewsbury-Hall, did any of these players play better than Felix last night? 

We won 4-2, so if criticism should go anywhere, it should be aimed at the defence. None of the attackers were a problem.

Mudryk and Nkunku were better than Felix last night. The others outside of Neto are not players you expect anything from.